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the popes toes posted:And number #62 on the list of stupid things is In every war, there will be people doing dumb freedom-fries nonsense.
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Praise the lord and pass the ammunition. Hey, teebs--the russian orthodox church explicitly condones this war. Maaaaaybe religion isn't the answer here.
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Mar 9, 2022 18:55
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the popes toes posted:How does one get conscripted in Russia? Is it a lottery?
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Mar 9, 2022 18:56
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Someone mentioned not seeing NFT accounts around: https://twitter.com/melissamcewen/status/1501283776701288456 Related? Maybe. Or maybe NFTs are loving dumb and people are just starting to realize that.
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Mar 9, 2022 18:56
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Ogmius815 posted:In every war, there will be people doing dumb freedom-fries nonsense. I just saw someone calling the Faberge stuff as "Russian propaganda chicken eggs"
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Mar 9, 2022 18:59
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I think that bubble was bursting already, but I guess it didn't help that the media has a lot more important things to talk about now.
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Mar 9, 2022 18:59
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Play posted:Someone mentioned not seeing NFT accounts around: Betting it's a little of column A, little of column B. But also with prices going up everywhere people have less money to risk on some ultra-scamy internet stocks.
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Mar 9, 2022 19:00
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OAquinas posted:Praise the lord and pass the ammunition. if tebow is involved it's on the russian side given the interceptions ukraine is getting
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Mar 9, 2022 19:01
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Blut posted:The thing about this is its good for Aeroflot (and the other Russian airlines) in the very short term to not lose their assets. But if they ever want to fly internationally again they'll have their assets seized. So even with most of the leased jets stranded in Russia the airlines are still going to have a very rough time - the (about to be much impoverished) Russian domestic market won't be enough to sustain them at anything close to their current size. They are also going to need to maintain and repair those planes at some point, and while I have no doubt that they can source parts and such via back channels, it's going to be annoying, slow and unreliable.
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Mar 9, 2022 19:02
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Jesus gently caress. I was just watching CNN when the screen went completely blue, then I see 'Emergency alert system' flash for about 10 seconds. Then they said it was the monthly test. Bastards.
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Mar 9, 2022 19:02
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Ogmius815 posted:In every war, there will be people doing dumb freedom-fries nonsense. Western leaders should use something absurd like this or the Russian restaurants in NYC getting harassed as an opportunity to condemn xenophobia in their own countries or at least draw a distinction between Russia's actions and people of Russian descent. I'm not trying to draw an equivalence with the war itself or anything, just saying it would be a simple and correct thing to do.
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Mar 9, 2022 19:02
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Cimber posted:Jesus gently caress. I was just watching CNN when the screen went completely blue, then I see 'Emergency alert system' flash for about 10 seconds. Unlike every month ever before, in Finland they ran a news item on most outlets last Sunday saying that "do not freak out tomorrow, its the first Monday of the month so the air raid sirens will be tested like always since the 60's".
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Mar 9, 2022 19:03
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I read a tragically comical statement from some Azov spokesperson or officer, who declared that they only had like 10-%15% nazis among their members, and most of those got wiser with age. It was unintentionally funny because he was completely unapologetic in stating this, but he also seemed very insistent they weren't all like that. I think the safe assumption is that a right-wing military organization is generally full of really bad people, regardless of what moniker they or others decide to use for them. No whataboutism intended, but it is a bit like trying to put the right moniker on various socialist factions during the 70s. Most would vehemently deny being socialists or communist, and use some other moniker to describe their particular brand of ideology. A similar thing exists among liberals, conservative, libertarians and, probably most of all, anarchists. There's really no need to argue the correct denomination of political factions - especially as such labels mean very different things depending on geography, age, political bias, etc. We all know very bad people are fighting in this war - on both sides, but one side in this war is the aggressor and isn't holding back with the war crimes. One can cheer for the other side, without cheering for everyone fighting for them. If the Azov battalion ends up saving thousands of lives in Mariupol and are lauded as heroes in the post-war aftermath - that's going to be rather awkward, but as I was recently reminded, it really isn't healthy to engage in all possible hypotheticals in this darned war. It may become a very relevant topic down the line (although I hope not), but right now it really shouldn't be the primary consideration.
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Mar 9, 2022 19:03
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Sinteres posted:A lot of Israelis are Russian emigres, and Israel needs or wants a workable relationship with Russia to manage the situation in Syria, especially since they have a shared goal in keeping Iran from dominating the country. If Israel really pissed off Russia, Russia could try harder to help Syria shoot down their planes and/or actively assist in weapons transfers to Hezbollah. Someone in this thread noted that Jewish friends in Russia were looking to invoke Law of Return in Israel to gtfo. I wonder if the continued airline operations might be to enable that sort of thing.
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Mar 9, 2022 19:05
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Shifty Pony posted:Someone in this thread noted that Jewish friends in Russia were looking to invoke Law of Return in Israel to gtfo. I wonder if the continued airline operations might be to enable that sort of thing. Finnish National Railways company added extra shifts to trains running between Helsinki and St. Petersburg and Moscow, because they are fully booked into infinite with people deciding to rather live in EU, than in the Best Korea in making.
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Mar 9, 2022 19:07
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^^^ Watch out, this is how they'll get you! Blut posted:The thing about this is its good for Aeroflot (and the other Russian airlines) in the very short term to not lose their assets. But if they ever want to fly internationally again they'll have their assets seized. So even with most of the leased jets stranded in Russia the airlines are still going to have a very rough time - the (about to be much impoverished) Russian domestic market won't be enough to sustain them at anything close to their current size. There's also the issue of spare parts which they will not be getting any more lol.
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Mar 9, 2022 19:09
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Shifty Pony posted:Someone in this thread noted that Jewish friends in Russia were looking to invoke Law of Return in Israel to gtfo. I wonder if the continued airline operations might be to enable that sort of thing. For all the lovely things Israel does, I think that this is by far the safest and the easiest way to leave Russia for good right now.
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Mar 9, 2022 19:10
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PederP posted:I read a tragically comical statement from some Azov spokesperson or officer, who declared that they only had like 10-%15% nazis among their members, and most of those got wiser with age. It was unintentionally funny because he was completely unapologetic in stating this, but he also seemed very insistent they weren't all like that. I think the safe assumption is that a right-wing military organization is generally full of really bad people, regardless of what moniker they or others decide to use for them. This is a good post, thank you for setting it out in a way I haven't been able to.
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Mar 9, 2022 19:12
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the popes toes posted:And number #62 on the list of stupid things is I am at a loss to articulate just how stupid this is.
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Mar 9, 2022 19:13
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the popes toes posted:And number #62 on the list of stupid things is I mean, I can kind of see it--the 1812 Overture was specifically written to commemorate a Russian military victory. And it's not like they've banned Russian composers--looks like they just swapped Tchaikovsky for Rachmaninov: https://www.cardiffphilharmonic.com/future-concerts On the list of things to get upset about, this seems way at the bottom, I guess is what I'm saying. Sir John Falstaff fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Mar 9, 2022 |
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Sinteres posted:Koos has indicated that discussion of discouraged topics is allowed if it brings something new to the table, so I think the Ukrainian military denying that Azov are Nazis is a new angle on the topic. Ok, so what are your thoughts on the matter? Given that there are neo-nazis pretty much everywhere in Russia and Eastern Europe (and Western Europe, and the US, etc), I would certainly like to know what point you're trying to make. Are you actually suggesting that Putin is both technically and morally correct about de-Nazifying Ukraine (despite Russia's use of their own neo-Nazi forces and support for right wing/neo-nazis in general all over the world)? Just curious about what you are trying to get at with the posts you continue to make about the existence of Ukrainian nazis. e: I promise I'm not trying to bait you into a probe or anything, you can respond however you wish. Professor Beetus fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Mar 9, 2022 |
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Mar 9, 2022 19:14
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https://twitter.com/Nadine_Writes/status/1501551291377627138 Well that's particularly awful quote:"It has been raised many times. Ukraine is a very homogenic society and not many people with different races on the streets. Foreigners do stick out of the crowd (but) it doesn’t mean we are racist,” Mr Prystaiko told the committee.
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The Germans appear to have reverted to type https://twitter.com/mrsorokaa/status/1501620106534834178?t=WqyX-SdWdDlI_z7udtwsew&s=19 https://twitter.com/Bundeskanzler/status/1501578380134727683?t=0q8nhw39JRR4SdeW3uz73A&s=19 I don't recommend searching his name or handle on Twitter right now, he's being tagged in a lot of posts with pictures of the hospital attack and of the mass grave in Mariupol.
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They should do Mussorgsky or Lysenko or something, replacing Tchaikovsky with like Brahms is stupid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw7OM_Q810k
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Mar 9, 2022 19:15
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Sir John Falstaff posted:I mean, I can kind of see it--the 1812 Overture was specifically written to commemorate a Russian military victory. And it's not like they've banned Russian composers--looks like they just swapped Tchaikovsky for Rachmaninov: https://www.cardiffphilharmonic.com/future-concerts The Russian victory against Napoleonic France, which isn't apropos to anything.
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I heard a talking head state that all the Russian airlines use foreign aircraft, and even the one domestic manufacturer uses GE engines so if this keeps going on within a month or two all Russian domestic air travel will be shut down due to lack of parts. Like they could cannibalize planes to keep others flying but that pool of operable airframes would continue to shrink as things break. Modern aircraft can be really maintenance intensive.
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D-Pad posted:I heard a talking head state that all the Russian airlines use foreign aircraft, and even the one domestic manufacturer uses GE engines so if this keeps going on within a month or two all Russian domestic air travel will be shut down due to lack of parts. Like they could cannibalize planes to keep others flying but that pool of operable airframes would continue to shrink as things broke. Modern aircraft can be really maintenance intensive. There are some domestic planes with domestic engines (you're talking about a really modern civil jet airliner), and they may rig some repairs in their own factories, but that's the gist of - somewhere between 70 and 90% of Russian civil aviation was dependent on foreign companies.
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Mar 9, 2022 19:18
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D-Pad posted:I heard a talking head state that all the Russian airlines use foreign aircraft, and even the one domestic manufacturer uses GE engines so if this keeps going on within a month or two all Russian domestic air travel will be shut down due to lack of parts. Like they could cannibalize planes to keep others flying but that pool of operable airframes would continue to shrink as things break. Modern aircraft can be really maintenance intensive. I presume you would work out an agreement to repair those plains in the foreign countries they are flying to.
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Mar 9, 2022 19:18
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KillHour posted:I presume you would work out an agreement to repair those plains in the foreign countries they are flying to. Problem is the people repairing them there are employees or contractors of western companies, who will be ordering repair parts from Europe etcetera. It's going to get figured out quickly when Bangladesh orders 27 Boeing engines to service 1 plane.
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KillHour posted:I presume you would work out an agreement to repair those plains in the foreign countries they are flying to. That does happen as a normal part of doing business, but here it won't be that simple. At the least, it would be extremely expensive given the circumstances.
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Mar 9, 2022 19:20
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KitConstantine posted:The Germans appear to have reverted to type I pity the interns who are tasked with running his social media presence, and who get that poo poo shoved in their face. Very few politicians even look at what it is being communicated their way on social media - any communication on such a platform towards a politician should be done purely for visibility towards his followers. So it makes sense to tag him like this - even though he is never going to see it, and someone now has to sort through it, in order to give one of his advisors a pie chart of the responses. That advisor is then going to tell him "I think they're angry at Russians and would also like peace, you're doing great, Mr. Chancellor", and neither the Chancellor nor the sycophant in charge of social media will ever be forced to confront anything personally.
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Mar 9, 2022 19:21
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Our media is reporting that salt will soon return to the shelves of Latvian supermarkets.
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PederP posted:I read a tragically comical statement from some Azov spokesperson or officer, who declared that they only had like 10-%15% nazis among their members, and most of those got wiser with age. It was unintentionally funny because he was completely unapologetic in stating this, but he also seemed very insistent they weren't all like that. I think the safe assumption is that a right-wing military organization is generally full of really bad people, regardless of what moniker they or others decide to use for them. I mean, quote:The Plain View Project, a database of public Facebook comments made by nearly 2,900 current and former police officers in eight cities, suggested that nearly 1 in 5 of the current officers identified in the study made public posts or comments that appear “to endorse violence, racism and bigotry,” as reported by Buzzfeed News and Injustice Watch in a study of the database. For example, there are 1269 identified problematic posts from active duty Philadelphia police officers on the site. Of the 1073 Philadelphia police officers identified by the Plain View Project, 327 of them posted public content endorsing violence, racism and bigotry. Of those 327, at least 64 hold leadership roles within the force, serving as corporals, sergeants, lieutenants, captains, or inspectors. https://www.justsecurity.org/70507/white-supremacist-infiltration-of-us-police-forces-fact-checking-national-security-advisor-obrien/ I mean, that's just from five seconds of googling. I suspect that virtually every military or police organization in the western world has a non-trivial "some of our members are fascists" problem. Raising that issue in the context of this invasion just seems wildly, wildly off base.
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KillHour posted:I presume you would work out an agreement to repair those plains in the foreign countries they are flying to. It better be a good agreement, because any of those planes or the parts/services/payment to maintain those planes could be subject to sanction and seizure.
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Regarding the Ukranian Foreign Legion, they aren't taking untrained people. Deaths will probably happen but a lot of these guys are either Ukranian expats with military training or they're ex soldiers/marines from America and elsewhere. Depending on how the officer corps + strategy are laid out many of these soldiers are going to be very effective.
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KitConstantine posted:The Germans appear to have reverted to type Man, the amount of fractures within NATO this jet deal fiasco has exposed has got to be the first good news Putin's gotten for a while. All this for 29 Migs of negligible military value that some EU official apparently just couldn't keep his mouth shut up about : "It was then that the head of EU diplomacy, Josep Borrell, said that aid for Kyiv would also include offensive weapons, including planes. At that point it became clear that the planes would only be MIG-29 and Su-25, because Ukrainian pilots only have experience with these machines. Poland, it would seem, did not appreciate the issue being disclosed." https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/09/clash-over-poland-and-us-missile-plans-reveals-tensions-in-escalating-war
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US Secretary of Commerce is a big dumbo. Gina Raimondo, the secretary of commerce, issued a stern warning Tuesday to Chinese companies that might defy U.S. restrictions against exporting to Russia, saying the United States would cut them off from American equipment and software they need to make their products. The Biden administration could “essentially shut” down Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation or any Chinese companies that defy U.S. sanctions by continuing to supply chips and other advanced technology to Russia, Ms. Raimondo said in an interview with The New York Times. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/08/technology/chinese-companies-russia-semiconductors.html?smid=tw-share
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In other aviation news, Finnair started today using their old, Soviet era flight routes to East Asia to get around Russia's airspace retrictions. https://twitter.com/TopiManner/status/1499299549743042562
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Ah yes, the ol' "preemptive justification" move https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1501623178514374664?t=NomqLKge6YFatjfTpv-IDg&s=19 They're barely even trying to hide it anymore. Russia knows the west won't do poo poo. So here's your warning for yet another atrocity that's going to end up in this thread.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:There are some domestic planes with domestic engines (you're talking about a really modern civil jet airliner), and they may rig some repairs in their own factories, but that's the gist of - somewhere between 70 and 90% of Russian civil aviation was dependent on foreign companies. BTW what happened to Tupolev? They for the longest time were the 3rd/4th passenger plane manufacturer, and only ran into problems some years ago. Aren't they still around?
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