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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah, i am curious if this will change war tactics now. its definitely shown that sending in a giant army won't end great if you have no logistics Plus tanks while useful are shown to be just as useless as knight on horseback with the right tech. it also shows that Europe/west is way more united then previously assumed. ~ish. Tech-wise What this has shown is that 1990s technology (the Javelin) beats 1970's technology (a lot of these russian tanks), especially if the 1970's technology isn't maintained and especially especially if the 1990's technology is used by people who know how to use it and the 1970's technology isn't. Russia isn't really fielding that much new equipment; a lot of this stuff is loving ancient and even the new stuff it seems the russians don't know how to maintain or use it. There are new technologies that can counter stuff like Javelins but it doesn't appear the Russians are fielding such or know how to use it when they do field such. That said people will be writing analyses of this war for the next fifty years (hopefully).
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the popes toes posted:That captured comms device? they are bullies, good at going after small groups and dumbass big companies, but now its a whole other level of poo poo. Hieronymous Alloy posted:~ish. almost certainly. it will be interesting reads. its still loving horrofying though and i am sorta worried putin will try some gas/chemical attack on kharkieve or kyiv or some other city.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:~ish. Aren't most modern countries moving away from tanks towards some type of faster armored fighting vehicles?
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:I don't want to be unnecessarily skeptical, but are the egg crates or cardboard vests substantiated by anything other than those photos? It sorta looks like egg crate shapes, but presumably that could be ceramic with angles designed to deflect fire or something. Relikt has these plastic boards between the ERA blocks that are kept in the bag to maintain spacing/alignment, so this part of their response is mistaken. The bag looks like this because the ERA blocks have been removed.
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I honestly think this is going to be remembered as the high-water mark of the Russian invasion because I don't see them getting their poo poo sorted out soon enough. Maybe if a general who actually knew what he was doing was appointed supreme commander of the invasion force today he could reorganize, get the various pieces of this thing talking to each other and start getting the logistics wreck sorted out, but that could take years. Meanwhile the Russian economy ceases to be anything more than a theoretical concept about a month from now.
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TulliusCicero posted:...I actually hadn't heard that one tbf it's commendable when someone is that loyal to their country that they're willing to gently caress one or more of the odious toads that make up the conservative landscape
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The Russian ministry of Defense unlocked their Twitter account so now we can see the whole video showing their extremely real logistical support in Ukraine. https://twitter.com/Andrew_S_Bowen/status/1502108220726427679?t=V1G04Uc5vA3y1VkquhxfAw&s=19 I've never been in the military, but ceramic plates used for presentation and flowers on tables don't seem very...practical Also zero mud. Anywhere. I dunno guys this might be fake
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the popes toes posted:That captured comms device? Remember that "NATO Laptop" the Russians found that looked like a child who thought NATO was Rad and had that sticker on it?  That's the level of incompetence we are dealing with It's amaxing watching chuds utterly fall apart at conducting war, the thing they constantly masturbate over ^In regard to the supply clownvoy: someone geolocated it to be filmed across the Russian border in relative safety So yesh, fake TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Mar 11, 2022 |
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Sax Mortar posted:My favorite woke ideology is "we should be allowed to exist" look, everyone* knows LGBT people are a Western plot *idiots
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/mdmitri91/status/1501535801469030415 alchevsk is in ukraine, so this is a conscripted luhansk guy. not a russian soldier.
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Nitrox posted:https://twitter.com/TsybulskaLiubov/status/1501862686396661764?s=20&t=v-UACQug6UeAepSAuJH5Vw Is this real, though? Seemed like Hollywood-style STDH to me. Plus, who's going to be able to process those transactions right now?
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Concerned Citizen posted:alchevsk is in ukraine, so this is a conscripted luhansk guy. not a russian soldier. It could just as easily be bullshit. I'm a POW and captured ? "Yeah man they just grabbed me I didn't even want to be here at all" is exactly what I'd say, true or not. I mean maybe it's true but maybe not also. Nitrox posted:https://twitter.com/TsybulskaLiubov/status/1501862686396661764?s=20&t=v-UACQug6UeAepSAuJH5Vw Also probably just someone google searching "apartment + crimea" and posting the map, there's nothing actually proving those are FSB owned etc.
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Grape posted:Contrarian poisoning rather than irony poisoning. I'm starting to think engagement was a really bad idea. We told ourselves trading with and investing in these plutocratic dictatorships (China and Russia) would cause liberal democracy to rub off on them. The problem is we sent / are sending amoral capitalists in to do business without any oversight or regulation. Then they use the fire hose of wealth we're aiming at them to turn around and fund disinfo campaigns, fracture alliances, weaken democracy, support far right movements (and in some cases straight up own far right politicians, lol Trump), and point at all of this and tell leftists 'look at how terrible the west is!' It basically worked, if their army wasn't in such an incredible state of disrepair they'd have pulled this invasion off and gotten a pass from both the left and the right in western politics & media.
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KitConstantine posted:The Russian ministry of Defense unlocked their Twitter account so now we can see the whole video showing their extremely real logistical support in Ukraine. Ah, this is good. Next time I see a Ukrainian tractor pulling a battlefield bread maker, I'll know what I'm looking at.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:It could just as easily be bullshit. I'm a POW and captured ? "Yeah man they just grabbed me I didn't even want to be here at all" is exactly what I'd say, true or not. In any case Ukraine should stop parading POWs and no one should put any stock in the statements made by POWs.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah, i am curious if this will change war tactics now. its definitely shown that sending in a giant army won't end great if you have no logistics Plus tanks while useful are shown to be just as useless as knight on horseback with the right tech. it also shows that Europe/west is way more united then previously assumed. As far as the last point, Putin showed that as long as there was some population of Russians in a former soviet country he could send in little green men to shave off chunks at will and Europe wouldn't do anything to stop him. This time he decided to be so flagrant that there was no way to make excuses for it.
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Eric Cantonese posted:Is this real, though? Seemed like Hollywood-style STDH to me. Seems like fresh listings within the last couple of days. I don't believe these are fsb, but people in Crimea are definitely don't feel confident about staying. And I imagine people living in captured real estate are the most nervous about things
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Xerxes17 posted:Relikt has these plastic boards between the ERA blocks that are kept in the bag to maintain spacing/alignment, so this part of their response is mistaken. The bag looks like this because the ERA blocks have been removed. Thanks! They definitely look deflated but it's not like there's a bunch of reactive armor unboxing videos out there so I didn't know what they're supposed to look like.
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Also if the war continues what the hell is the moral of the Russian troops going to be like. It's already at the point where they're leaving million dollar equipment at the side of the road and deserting in at least small, possibly larger numbers. A solution to moral problems would be to offer them more money, but what money, the russian economies collapsing? Also there's the issue they're losing a lot of equipment and with the sanctions it may not even be possible for them to build more, as by many accounts a lot of there expensive stuff needs overseas parts.
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Are you suggesting that coconuts migrate?
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:It's not really Russia as a whole that needs to face facts, it's Putin. I appreciate the other response to my question, but this pedantry is pointless. It's quite common jargon to refer to states by the name of the country they govern.
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From the president of Lithuania: https://twitter.com/GitanasNauseda/status/1502103582337871874
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Eric Cantonese posted:Is this real, though? Seemed like Hollywood-style STDH to me. The author of the tweet followed up with this: https://twitter.com/TsybulskaLiubov/status/1501881466631897089 Her bio says: Liubov Tsybulska @TsybulskaLiubov hybrid warfare expert. Founder of @StratcomCentre Former head of @HWAG_ucmc, an advisor to @MFA_Ukraine, @GeneralStaffUA So it may be just propaganda, but she may be in a position to be telling the truth.
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https://twitter.com/GitanasNauseda/status/1502103582337871874 Huge if true. Wonder how Putin reacts to this news. E;FB: Well it's still a big deal.
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Terebus posted:https://twitter.com/GitanasNauseda/status/1502103582337871874 I'm not a football fan, but is this what they mean by "own goal"?
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fatherboxx posted:This guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Ilyin Thanks for the recommendation, I enjoy damaging my brain by reading cranks.
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dr_rat posted:Also if the war continues what the hell is the moral of the Russian troops going to be like.
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dr_rat posted:lol how many decades would it take to do a full investigation into all the shady poo poo Deutsche Bank gets up. Just looking at the controversies section of their wiki and it's basically a list of every international banking scandal in the last decade and a half. 
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gay picnic defence posted:The obvious offramp is Ukraine offering to hold a referendum on recognising Crimea as part of Russia or something. Russia is incapable of holding an honest referendum anywhere. You either give up all claim on it and give it to Russia or Russia loses it in a Ukrainian counter offensive in a month or three. You might as well ask Russia to hold a referendum in the donbass.
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Terebus posted:https://twitter.com/GitanasNauseda/status/1502103582337871874 Putin is going to want take-backs and do-evers but Ze was the first to say no erasies so Putin is checkmated. In other words, he invaded to prevent the thing he caused by invading
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TipTow posted:I appreciate the other response to my question, but this pedantry is pointless. It's quite common jargon to refer to states by the name of the country they govern. It's not pedantry though, it's a pretty drat crucial fact about this war.
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the popes toes posted:Putin is going to want take-backs and do-evers but Ze was the first to say no erasies so Putin is checkmated. ...the thing that wasn't going to happen for a really long time, if ever. But also I think 'legitimate security concerns' about western alliances was a crock of poo poo justification for what he really wanted, which was imperialist revanchism.
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BoldFace posted:From the president of Lithuania: This is what the actual document says quote:we will further strengthen our bonds and deepen our partnership to support Ukraine in pursuing its European path. Ukraine belongs to our European family https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/...ine-10-03-2022/
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I'm not sure if this is the right thread for this. I saw this on Reddit. Apparently some kind of plane fell from the sky in Croatia with Cyrillic writing on it and parachutes were also seen? I wish I could find another source besides this: https://dnevnik.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/zagrepcane-prepao-prasak-vatrogasci-i-policija-na-terenu---699451.html "In Zagreb, part of the plane hit the ground, with a red star and signs in Russian Cyrillic on it: Military police arrived, dispersed journalists and threatened to arrest them"
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:It's not pedantry though, it's a pretty drat crucial fact about this war.
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Omon Ra posted:You understand that it's not just Putin's personal war, right? Most Russians are in favor of it. I am in favor of a lot of things I have absolutely no say in or control over.
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KitConstantine posted:The Russian ministry of Defense unlocked their Twitter account so now we can see the whole video showing their extremely real logistical support in Ukraine. This video is four years old https://youtu.be/Xc1DPTZ_cWk
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Charliegrs posted:I'm not sure if this is the right thread for this. I saw this on Reddit. Apparently some kind of plane fell from the sky in Croatia with Cyrillic writing on it and parachutes were also seen? I wish I could find another source besides this: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/44697/ukrainian-tu-141-strizh-missile-like-drone-appears-to-have-crashed-in-croatia Apparently it's a Tu-141 drone that went out of control in Ukraine and just flew west until it ran out of fuel.
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quote:4. The European Council acknowledged the European aspirations and the European choice of Ukraine, as stated in the Association Agreement. On 28 February 2022, exercising the right of Ukraine to choose its own destiny, the President of Ukraine submitted the application of Ukraine to become a member of the European Union. The Council has acted swiftly and invited the Commission to submit its opinion on this application in accordance with the relevant provisions of the Treaties. Pending this and without delay, we will further strengthen our bonds and deepen our partnership to support Ukraine in pursuing its European path. Ukraine belongs to our European family. Georgia and Moldova too.
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