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KitConstantine posted:Do these images help at all? Same poster Have looked at them. We need to see how they burned (thermite would only stay lit for a couple minutes).
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I didn't realize we had a base in Erbil still. I thought Trump had pulled us out. it was apparently a consulate, it may not have even actually hit the consulate itself.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I didn't realize we had a base in Erbil still. I thought Trump had pulled us out. I think it's more of a militarily enforced green zone for the Consulate there. Which apparently is ablaze. It's going to be very difficult to not respond. e: Just in from State Dept: There is no damage or casualties at any U.S. Government facility. the popes toes fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Mar 13, 2022 |
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the popes toes posted:Elsewhere in the world, things are going swimmingly This is most likely payback because the Israelis just whacked several IRGC guys recently. Speaking of Israel... https://twitter.com/Billbrowder/status/1502776404429049857?t=2cqfl7ZzyDA1e3FHLLc9TQ&s=19
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Concerned Citizen posted:russia has 400k~ contract soldiers, they have more bodies to send. a handful of syrian fighters aren't going to move the needle OTOH foreign mercs have some qualities of their own, like nobody cares if they get slaughtered and they don't care if they're ordered to murdered a bunch of civilians. Mostly though it sounds like a psychological tactic, just like bringing in Kadyrovites - it's expected to instill fear. Everybody knows about the war crimes in Syria.
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Recall the mayor of Melitopol, Ivan Federov, was kidnapped yesterday and reportedly undergoing torture today. The Russians have appointed a member of the opposition party as mayor of the city, and she's urging collaboration https://twitter.com/Matt_Murphy15/status/1502777604260118528?s=20&t=8HoYkQHaLJicjor8xGnYyw Link is to BBC liveblog - relevant portion: quote:Russian military reportedly installs new mayor of Melitopol There's video of her speaking regarding the appointment, haven't seen a full translation https://twitter.com/shcherbininainn/status/1502719371692683265?s=20&t=8HoYkQHaLJicjor8xGnYyw Tweet translation quote:In Melitopol, the Russians appointed acting Mayor Galina Danilchenko
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KitConstantine posted:Recall the mayor of Melitopol, Ivan Federov, was kidnapped yesterday and reportedly undergoing torture today. The Russians have appointed a member of the opposition party as mayor of the city, and she's urging collaboration Given what we've seen of Ukrainians' fighting spirit recently, I don't think the coming days and weeks are going to go well for people on video collaborating with the occupiers.
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KitConstantine posted:Recall the mayor of Melitopol, Ivan Federov, was kidnapped yesterday and reportedly undergoing torture today. The Russians have appointed a member of the opposition party as mayor of the city, and she's urging collaboration I wonder how this is going to backfire horribly.
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eke out posted:Given what we've seen of Ukrainians' fighting spirit recently, I don't think the coming days and weeks are going to go well for people on video collaborating with the occupiers. Yeah there isn't enough money in the world or a cause I could ever believe enough in to convince me that it would be a good idea to take that mayoral position while the outcome of the war is still a question mark.
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KillHour posted:I wonder how this is going to backfire horribly. Yeah... this lady is probably going to get popped by someone. She should have refused.
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KillHour posted:I wonder how this is going to backfire horribly. 
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Yureina posted:Yeah... this lady is probably going to get popped by someone. She should have refused. I wonder how much of a choice she had, given what the Russians were doing to her predecessor.
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Opposition Bloc is the name of the party. It's the smaller piece of Yanukovich's Regions Party after the split from Boiko's Opposition Platform.
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Tomn posted:I wonder how much of a choice she had, given what the Russians were doing to her predecessor. Probably none!
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mllaneza posted:During the Democratic Party primary in 2004, during the third debate, John Kerry gave a short answer to a question so he'd have time to add a statement to the effect of "If we have to bomb Iran, I totally support bombing Iran." That was completely unrelated to the original question he'd been asked, as well as anything anybody had previously said. But he felt the need to get that out there. It still baffles me why he felt the need. Yes, thank you, I've heard saber rattling about Iran for two decades now. It's not happening.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Probably none! Otoh you will always find a Quisling if you keep looking. Some just need more encouragement than others. But it also has to be said that sometimes it is necessary to do some form of collaboration for the benefit of locals.
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It's also unfortunate in that it's very possible the Ukrainians will not be able to take back Kherson: we have yet to see that they can take back territory in a major counter offensive. That said, based on the experiences of early DLNR leadership or the genuine Crimean defectors, the Russians don't really reward collaborators.
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DarklyDreaming posted:Yeah there isn't enough money in the world or a cause I could ever believe enough in to convince me that it would be a good idea to take that mayoral position while the outcome of the war is still a question mark. Hell, even if angels descended from the heavens and unfurled a banner saying RUSSIA WILL WIN AND UKRAINE WILL NEVER BE FREE AGAIN it would still be a nightmare. There isn't really going to be a happy ending for collaborators here, and the consequences she'd face if Russia pulls out might actually be better for her than the consequences if Russia sticks around. She's going to have a target on her and the people that don't bother protecting $10m military hardware definitely aren't going to protect the mayor of a small occupied city.
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Nenonen posted:Otoh you will always find a Quisling if you keep looking. Some just need more encouragement than others. Thats how I would explain myself later if I was forced to collaborate with a gun pointed at me from behind the curtan. "We held out as long as we could, you can see how bad the devastation was. I was just trying to save lives".
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Tomn posted:I wonder how much of a choice she had, given what the Russians were doing to her predecessor. It's hosed up... these loving Russians have much to answer for. As for this lady, I guess we don't really know for now whether she is a good person in a bad spot or a quisling that deserves the bullet that is likely to come their way. gently caress I hate Putin.
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1st_Panzer_Div. posted:So if you don't count armed civilians, militias, and unincorporated azov forces... number is still too small to believe. Do you think there are roving bands of nazi bandits or something in Ukraine?
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If you wake up one morning to find you live in a 'people's republic' you know something bad has happened.
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KitConstantine posted:Recall the mayor of Melitopol, Ivan Federov, was kidnapped yesterday and reportedly undergoing torture today. The Russians have appointed a member of the opposition party as mayor of the city, and she's urging collaboration yeah, she is probably gonna be dead in a week and it will probably be bad. also protests are gonna get way rougher.
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Alchenar posted:If you wake up one morning to find you live in a 'people's republic' you know something bad has happened. Its even worse if its a democratic peoples republic
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snail posted:China is well aware, based on the lessons of their own history and that of the West, that there are other ways than force to extend your influence. To think otherwise is to ignore the Mongols and their empire, and all the years before and since. It's a sphere of influence far older than Russia, and knowledge and education is thought of very differently. “I’m not a sinophile BUT watch me straight facedly get REAL ORIENTALIST”
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if you're having to inform the populace that unbeknownst to them they elected a new city council, that's probably not a good start
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Not very smart on the part of Iran tonight. The United States military is not that distracted by Europe; and, in fact, I think American inability to intervene in Ukraine makes it more likely that Iran gets a military response from the US this time around. I am hoping I am wrong, but if it turns out there were any American casualties I do not think hoping will help the world much. Edit The United States will not be invading Iran. Ever.
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Concerned Citizen posted:russia has 400k~ contract soldiers, they have more bodies to send. a handful of syrian fighters aren't going to move the needle ”Having X soldiers” does not equal having X soldiers to Send to ukraine. U.S has I think 16? ABCTs currently active, But still cannot send 16 ABCTs to a war on a moments notice- and this is from their non-reserve, active, ready units, not counting reserves, nat guard etc. Russia used 3 months to build up for this invasion and got 200k~ in, give or take, emptying many units from farther units, including the arctic troops from Finnish border. They are already seeing huge difficulties in resupplying said not-anymore-200k soldiers. So no, at the moment russia does not have 500k soldiers anywhere near ukraine, nor means of getting them - or their supplies- there in a fast timeframe either. Remember, we are on day 15. At this rate, If amassing another 200k takes another 2 months, the war is going to look completely different.
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Alchenar posted:If you wake up one morning to find you live in a 'people's republic' you know something bad has happened. To be annexed is a pretty horrible thing, and all of the "beep boop the ukranians are being very irrational, why did they simply not run the math, realize they would not prevail, and lie down and take it" takes you see in some places are dumb as hell both empirically (we observably know people very often don't loving act like that) and pretty abhorrent normatively.
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Captain Oblivious posted:“I’m not a sinophile BUT watch me straight facedly get REAL ORIENTALIST” Yeah I'm pretty familiar with at least Greeks, and lemme tell ya the culture being ancient as gently caress doesn't actually change the stupid nationalism in any way at all except you just hear way way way more appeals to antiquity being made. Half of which are exaggerated and/or false anyway lol.
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ZombieLenin posted:Not very smart on the part of Iran tonight. The United States military is not that distracted by Europe; and, in fact, I think American inability to intervene in Ukraine makes it more likely that Iran gets a military response from the US this time around. my guess is some hardliner in the iranian goverment ordered some proxy/quds group to fire poo poo off. they did it last year too. we will blow up the proxy force and a bunch of poo poo will happen behind the scene probably involving some hardliner having an accident or some poo poo.
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Apparently Russian forces pulled out of Skadovsk - there were two helicopters shot down in that area earlier today. https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1502803862683627521?s=20&t=8HoYkQHaLJicjor8xGnYyw https://twitter.com/War_Mapper/status/1502811819957788675?s=20&t=srPNdcsCvCjU3F3vw2RmdA The now-completely yellow chunk under Kherson is approximately where Skadovsk is located. Could be the Russians realized that a counterattack was unlikely from that area and pulled the troops up to Melitopol/Kherson/Mykolaiv where they're more needed. Still, doesn't seem like a great sign when you have to pull back from already occupied areas...
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GreyjoyBastard posted:if you're having to inform the populace that unbeknownst to them they elected a new city council, that's probably not a good start Look I'm sure none of the locals have any reason to be keeping up with local politics at the moment, I mean really how many people can even remember who their local mayor is! But the bigger question who is this even for? If it's for russian propaganda I mean just lie, if it's for anyone else it's so obviously bullshit no one will care they went to the bother. Like what ever this is, it's going to fail the second russian troops aren't there. It's so pointless. Which obviously goes back to the russians seem to have no real idea what the hell their goals even are.
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Funnily the original Ukrainian People's Republic had some nice people associated with it. It also had about 4 months of independence before it got overthrown by a German-backed military dictator.
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Redgrendel2001 posted:This is most likely payback because the Israelis just whacked several IRGC guys recently. Browder is wrong here. There are several private air companies in south Florida owned and operated by heavily connected Russians.
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dr_rat posted:Look I'm sure none of the locals have any reason to be keeping up with local politics at the moment, I mean really how many people can even remember who their local mayor is! This population was just marching on the city administration building yesterday protesting their elected mayor getting kidnapped and tortured. I would say they are paying attention to local politics, especially since THERE'S A loving WAR ON https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1502571697085595651?s=20&t=srPNdcsCvCjU3F3vw2RmdA
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Air drop weapons to kherson and melitopol god damnit I don't want to talk local politics I just want to grill Russian tanks and drive tractors
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KitConstantine posted:Apparently Russian forces pulled out of Skadovsk - there were two helicopters shot down in that area earlier today. This could be read a variety of ways They are rumored to not have communications or supplies so those troops could be looking for a larger unit themselves or the pause over the past few days is really organization on that level where troops are being redeployed nationwide by Russia I'd expect a low amount of accuracy from any of these territorial maps as Russia is being given giant swathes of land if their troops are spotted existing somewhere at least once which is how a relatively large section of the map flips once an single enemy position mysteriously leaves Rectal Death Adept fucked around with this message at 02:24 on Mar 13, 2022 |
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https://twitter.com/HN_Schlottman/status/1502710513872089096?s=20&t=9vvy0EnfY3eQAAvkl3fJPg Note in Assessment box: 31st Air Assault Brigade destroyed. Another BTG down.
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Grape posted:Yeah I'm pretty familiar with at least Greeks, and lemme tell ya the culture being ancient as gently caress doesn't actually change the stupid nationalism in any way at all except you just hear way way way more appeals to antiquity being made. Half of which are exaggerated and/or false anyway lol. What, you don't think that the British Prime Minister is still concerned about the Nordic threat and need to contain the Danelaw?
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