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if this war teaches the baltics anything it's probably going to be that any money they might think about spending on tanks or planes they should spend on Javelins and NLAWs instead. e: terrible page snipe. Godspeed to the people of Ukraine today.
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:if this war teaches the baltics anything it's probably going to be that any money they might think about spending on tanks or planes they should spend on Javelins and NLAWs instead. Also some infantry tactics training might not hurt.
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:if this war teaches the baltics anything it's probably going to be that any money they might think about spending on tanks or planes they should spend on Javelins and NLAWs instead. We have SPIKE launchers in Latvia. Looks like Estonia has them and Javelins, and Lithuania has the same. We don’t seem to have any combat drones though, and should probably get some of those Polish Piorun launchers for hitting low-flying helicopters.
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I saw this and thought it rather good evidence that Russia's air isn't doing much of what air usually does, or the Ukrainians aren't fearful of Russian aircraft, or Russia doesn't have counter-battery kit or all three. Or it's staged. This looks to be in the middle of the steppe for chrissake https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1502817752150589445
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the popes toes posted:I saw this and thought it rather good evidence that Russia's air isn't doing much of what air usually does, or the Ukrainians aren't fearful of Russian aircraft, or Russia doesn't have counter-battery kit or all three. Or it's staged. This looks to be in the middle of the steppe for chrissake To be honest, these drive fairly quickly and don’t take any much time to setup or dump their load.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:We have SPIKE launchers in Latvia. Looks like Estonia has them and Javelins, and Lithuania has the same. We don’t seem to have any combat drones though, and should probably get some of those Polish Piorun launchers for hitting low-flying helicopters. while i know it's an acronym i'd prefer to assume they're basically just crossbows also, two major tech demos in as many years is probably going to make a LOT of money for designers of el cheapo combat drones (most notably Turkey)
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Youth Decay posted:https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3428024-enemy-aircraft-bomb-sviatohirsk-lavra-in-donetsk-region.html I'm amazed this sort of thing survived WW2, though I assume there was extensive restoration. Here's hoping they'll survive this war too.
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the popes toes posted:I saw this and thought it rather good evidence that Russia's air isn't doing much of what air usually does, or the Ukrainians aren't fearful of Russian aircraft, or Russia doesn't have counter-battery kit or all three. Or it's staged. This looks to be in the middle of the steppe for chrissake Everything out there is the middle of steppe, this is why you shoot and scoot and why so many of these are on permanently mobile setups. quote:he three-member crew can emplace the system and have it ready to fire in three minutes. The crew can fire the rockets from the cab or from a trigger at the end of a 64-meter (210 ft) cable. All 40 rockets can be away in as little as 20 seconds, but can also be fired individually or in small groups in several-second intervals. A PG-1M panoramic telescope with K-1 collimator can be used for sighting. The BM-21 can be packed up and ready to move in two minutes, which can be necessary when engaged by counter-battery fire. Reloading is done manually and takes about 10 minutes. So you setup in 3-5 minutes, fire it in 20 seconds, then pull up and out in 3-5 minutes and go reload, move somewhere else, do it again. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Mar 13, 2022 |
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GreyjoyBastard posted:while i know it's an acronym i'd prefer to assume they're basically just crossbows Also probably a lot more money for designers of anti-drone tech at companies like Raytheon
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Youth Decay posted:https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3428024-enemy-aircraft-bomb-sviatohirsk-lavra-in-donetsk-region.html That's really pretty. I hope it isn't too hosed up. 
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cinci zoo sniper posted:To be honest, these drive fairly quickly and don’t take any much time to setup or dump their load. I'm surprised to discover I'm a Grad.
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Youth Decay posted:https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3428024-enemy-aircraft-bomb-sviatohirsk-lavra-in-donetsk-region.html One of the predictions before the invasion was that Russia would try and destroy key Ukrainian cultural sites in an attempt at demoralizing the population into capitulation. It’s like Russia thinks that the only reason they aren’t winning is that they aren’t being lovely enough. That if you want to really win a war you’ve got to plaster things with no military value but that really piss people off. I guess coming from the, “we have to invade you so you don’t arm yourself to prevent us from invading you” people it’s what passes for logic.
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Murgos posted:One of the predictions before the invasion was that Russia would try and destroy key Ukrainian cultural sites in an attempt at demoralizing the population into capitulation. I suspect its because they project the belief that everyone else's support is as hollow as their craven sycophant bullies. Their power structures are very fragile and their organizations act more like pyramids of hangers on than anything formal. Formal power is suppressed or co-opted because it threatens the grift. They think if they weren't a nuclear power their support would similarly fold.
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Barrel Cactaur posted:I suspect its because they project the belief that everyone else's support is as hollow as their craven sycophant bullies. Their power structures are very fragile and their organizations act more like pyramids of hangers on than anything formal. Formal power is suppressed or co-opted because it threatens the grift. I think simpler, is that there were people inside. And that makes it, from their perspective, a military target. People.
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the popes toes posted:I saw this and thought it rather good evidence that Russia's air isn't doing much of what air usually does, or the Ukrainians aren't fearful of Russian aircraft, or Russia doesn't have counter-battery kit or all three. Or it's staged. This looks to be in the middle of the steppe for chrissake The whole point of self propelled artillery like that is so they can fire their rockets and get the gently caress out of there before counter battery fire hits them. WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:That's excellent news. I am surprised Ukraine hasn't done something about the bridges across the Pripyat River. Presumably they're pretty well defended but they look like they'd be pretty important for supplying the forces attacking Kyiv.
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Trump posted:I'm surprised to discover I'm a Grad. Multiple launch tho?
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sexy tiger boobs posted:Multiple launch tho?
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Another dawn is breaking in Kyiv, and it's still Ukrainian.  
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Deteriorata posted:Another dawn is breaking in Kyiv, and it's still Ukrainian. Slava Ukraini!
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Are the Russians in the middle of a major offensive right now?
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Kraftwerk posted:Are the Russians in the middle of a major offensive right now? They seem to be consolidating for one which will probably begin sometime this week
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Apparently being against the wagner group makes you pro nazi. Weird how those brainworms work.
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the popes toes posted:I saw this and thought it rather good evidence that Russia's air isn't doing much of what air usually does, or the Ukrainians aren't fearful of Russian aircraft, or Russia doesn't have counter-battery kit or all three. Or it's staged. This looks to be in the middle of the steppe for chrissake Theyre rocket batteries dude, they fire a hail of rockets and move before they get hit. Thats like the point of mobile rocket artillery
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1502673952572854278 Wow this whole thing made me feel sorry for the loving Russian army What the actual gently caress
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Deteriorata posted:Another dawn is breaking in Kyiv, and it's still Ukrainian. Every time this is posted it makes me happy
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So this upcoming Russian push on Kyiv is pretty much going to be the thing that decides the war, right? If the Russians fail and take huge losses trying to storm Kyiv, it pretty much means that they're never going to take it and are going to just keep taking losses until they totally collapse. On the other hand, if they somehow do manage to conquer Kyiv in this upcoming assault (tho it seems really really unlikely) it would show that the Russians can indeed take Ukrainian cities if they surround them and blast them to bits for a while first. Luckily from what I've heard Kyiv has been turned into a fortress and it's really, really unlikely that the Russians will be able to successfully seize it. And if they take a lot of losses trying I think that's going to be pretty much the end for them. Though Putin is apparently still convinced of his ability to dismember Ukraine, since I've read that the Russian military is going ahead and planning a fake referendum in the city of Kherson, in which the citizens of Kherson will mysteriously all decide to vote to secede from Ukraine. But it sounds like they're having trouble getting anyone at all there to participate in the farce.
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Despera posted:Apparently being against the wagner group makes you pro nazi. Weird how those brainworms work. Yeah or how popular "leftist" political commentators want to take this time to point out every single negative thing Ukraine has ever done, while failing to inform their audience of people like Ramzan Kadyrov on the Russian side. It's weird how divisionary and reactionary political discussions have become.
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OctaMurk posted:Theyre rocket batteries dude, they fire a hail of rockets and move before they get hit. Thats like the point of mobile rocket artillery Since many others have told me this, I'm convinced that if, they have to give military IQ tests to see what MOS you might fit, I'll be the IT guy posting agitprop memes.
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Sucrose posted:So this upcoming Russian push on Kyiv is pretty much going to be the thing that decides the war, right? If the Russians fail and take huge losses trying to storm Kyiv, it pretty much means that they're never going to take it and are going to just keep taking losses until they totally collapse. This seems a very dramatic read of things. Kyiv isn't all of Ukraine, and the Ukraine army has plenty of forces else where. Also taking a city and occupying a city are two very different things. Again there is a lot of fog of war going on, but it's very, very unlike 'one battle will be the decider' or anything like that.
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Trump posted:Keeps hitting Lviv apparently. That's gonna further piss off Poles. Historically, it's an important city to us.
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dr_rat posted:This seems a very dramatic read of things. Kyiv isn't all of Ukraine, and the Ukraine army has plenty of forces else where. Also taking a city and occupying a city are two very different things. Again there is a lot of fog of war going on, but it's very, very unlike 'one battle will be the decider' or anything like that. Especially at this point in the war, with the results Ukraine have achieved. If it had happened, as Russia planned, in the first days of the war, the fall of Kyiv would have had a completely different impact. If the government and military leadership makes it out relatively intact, I can't see the battle becoming anything but a boost for Ukraine, almost no matter the result.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:That's excellent news. Is there a cost to nuking an isolated space that was already off-limits due to prior russian endevaours?
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downout posted:Is there a cost to nuking an isolated space that was already off-limits due to prior russian endevaours? A) This sounds like Clancychat, but B) you do not want to nuke the Chernobyl exclusion zone.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1502673952572854278 right but the ukrainians have much Nicer fighter aircraft.
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fool of sound posted:right but the ukrainians have much Nicer fighter aircraft. Didn't Ukraine claim they had 60 fighters left? Going by those numbers they've lost less than one a day.
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downout posted:Is there a cost to nuking an isolated space that was already off-limits due to prior russian endevaours? The ukrainians should shoot open the dome to cripple the Russian army with radiation poisoning. Hopefully the wind will rain it over Belarus and Russia and further send the russian state spiraling towards ZPG (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Rinkles posted:That's gonna further piss off Poles. Historically, it's an important city to us. I've never been but reading about it during all of this has made me very sad I've never visited. It looks a beautiful and fascinating city
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Rinkles posted:That's gonna further piss off Poles. Historically, it's an important city to us. The Poles seem to have been already pissed. There's room for more pissed than they already are?
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