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I would not call Ukranian reserve units made up of former civilians and foreign volunteers "elite forces of death" imo The Russians literally hired Neo-Nazi mercenaries dude  Maybe this is why we aren't seeing RT as a "reliable source" just maybe
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cinci zoo sniper posted:It starts north of Ukraine and ends at the sea, what is your question? I assume they mean "average width" or something
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Ynglaur posted:I'd be interested if they pushed from Mykolaiv or just went around Russian forces east of Mykolaiv and cut them off. It was a joke in catch 22 where a character with the last name major had his dad name him major as a joke (while his mom was too doped up on painkiller drugs for the labor to protest), and then when he’s drafted the computer system, having a same sense of humor as his father immediately promotes him to major.
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Failed Imagineer posted:I assume they mean "average width" or something As said above, there’s a lot of reservoirs. The one near Dnipro is like 100 km long and 3 km wide on average. It’s one of the largest rivers in Europe.
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the popes toes posted:Some Belt and Road recipients have started to perceive an extractive rent trap into which they have been duped, so I'm not sure. What may happen, is a strengthened EU offering other financial incentives leading to economic participation. Or they may go back to protecting butter and bacon, I dunno. Full disclosure: I'm hoping for a muscular confident EU that can project influence beyond their immediate borders. I doubt the EU will shift that way, since the Belt and Road largely funded projects that the EU turned down for good reason. A prime example is the massive half-built Montenegro highway. In the 90s, the project was rejected by the EU because they said Montenegro would go bankrupt before finishing it. In the 00s, both the IMF and a French effort looked into it, and also said that Montenegro would go bankrupt before finishing it. But in the 10s, China gave them a go-ahead with a massive set of loans for the highway project. And what do you know, Montenegro ran out of money well before finishing it, leaving them waist deep in debt to China. The EU can provide support and funding for Central Asian countries. But the projects that make the Belt and Road are largely wild mega-ideas that have been rejected by European organizations before.
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Failed Imagineer posted:I assume they mean "average width" or something Yeah, the rhine, the Danube, the Ebro the seine etc don’t show up on maps of say EU member states but the dnieper does
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aluminumonkey posted:And then they wonder why everyone doesn't like them. This is literally a reason "trips" like this are done. Mission trips for most christian groups boil down to not going out to do good works, help any sort of situation, or even just generally be positive figures. They are for sending out young-ish kids just around adulthood who are going to be nearing the age they would want to leave the fold to be obnoxious little shits, so that they can come home with a refreshed persecution complex about how the world is so mean and they need to stay to help fight and fix it. It's just loving cult tactics.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:It was a joke in catch 22 where a character with the last name major had his dad name him major as a joke (while his mom was too doped up on painkiller drugs for the labor to protest), and then when he’s drafted the computer system, having a same sense of humor as his father immediately promotes him to major. His dad didn't name him Major, he actually named him Major Major. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_Major_Major_Major
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I’ve only met Mormon missionaries, and they were a chill bunch. It was also in Puerto Rico, and they were wearing full suits in like +35, so maybe they’re were simply cooked by the time of our meeting.
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Tbh I wouldn't consider the Russians or Wagner "Elite Forces of Death" eitherCrain posted:This is literally a reason "trips" like this are done. Mission trips for most christian groups boil down to not going out to do good works, help any sort of situation, or even just generally be positive figures. They are for sending out young-ish kids just around adulthood who are going to be nearing the age they would want to leave the fold to be obnoxious little shits, so that they can come home with a refreshed persecution complex about how the world is so mean and they need to stay to help fight and fix it.  I remember when I was getting a little too independent thinking (questioning why they hate Catholics so much) the church started encouraging me to go on a mission trip over the summer. I never did because we quit going shortly after the incident, but this really makes sense now.
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1st_Panzer_Div. posted:Who are they smearing it for? At the moment most people in the west are totally fine sending elite forces of death to fight the Russians. First, I don't know if anybody has serious numbers on how many foreign fighters there are working for Ukraine but "20,000" seems like a lot. Second, you're misunderstanding how this propaganda point works. It doesn't matter how many mercenaries there are if your internal narrative is that your elite forces will inevitably overwhelm them and prove that even their best isn't good enough - the real propaganda talking point is "the enemy is using vicious foreign killers in their unjust war because they're in dire straits and need the assistance, and because their own people will not fight for them!" Note that this cuts both ways and you can see that very reaction in this thread: Notice how people responded to the arrival of Chechen troops, or how they responded to the announcement of Syrian fighters. The reaction wasn't "Oh dear, Putin's hiring deadly killers, now surely the Ukrainians are hosed!", it was "Ha, they're scraping the bottom of the barrel for men with which to terrorize the Ukrainians, the monsters!" Either way, either in favor of the Russians or the Ukrainians I can't really see that foreign fighters will make much of a serious difference to the eventual outcome - this war's just too big for the numbers they can muster, and it seems like it'll be decided well before they can be seriously organized into fighting units. They're pretty much "Look at how much international support we have/look at how desperate the enemy is!" talking points on both sides, though one can quibble about how effective really the different sides are at spinning their narrative. Edit: Also, a single Arleigh Burke-class destroyer costs $1.8 billion. Navies are INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE. Tomn fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Mar 17, 2022 |
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Eric Cantonese posted:I might be missing the joke on some of the other Tweets from this account, but is this a parody account or some pro-Russian troll bot? No, it's a legit story. https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1504525366215458817
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Rad Russian posted:Well, Putin just declared all actual Russians overseas as traitors, so not much of a chance for Arnold. Just making things official really: that was already the perception a long time ago. I had a russian coworker, like from 2003 to 2008? And each year where he went back a bit to Russia to see some family or do some official stuff, he was poo poo scared that he wouldn't be allowed to leave. Then all his russia-based friends started to drop him, calling him a spy/traitor/5th column on social networks. His house got robbed too, but nothing much of value was taken, but the family's passports were gone... And that was about 15 years ago, imagine what it must be like now... The best day of his life was when he and his family finally got Irish citizenship, since it secured his life in Europe. Think he's in Finland these days.
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20,000 have signed up according to the Ukrainian government. You can sign up at an embassy or consulate, so the actual number who get approved, actually go through with it, and actually get sent to a fighting unit remain to be seen. Ukraine is generally only taking people with military or law enforcement training, and some translations indicate only actual veterans. (Note for Americans: "veteran" in American English has come to mean "anyone who served", but I assume the rest of the world uses the noun correctly to mean "someone who has fought in combat". So, the distinction might matter here.) Still, even if it lets the UA military field another light infantry brigade, that's another light infantry brigade. Even if they just man checkpoints on roads, that frees up Ukrainian people to not man checkpoints on roads. It all helps.
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Crain posted:This is literally a reason "trips" like this are done. Mission trips for most christian groups boil down to not going out to do good works, help any sort of situation, or even just generally be positive figures. They are for sending out young-ish kids just around adulthood who are going to be nearing the age they would want to leave the fold to be obnoxious little shits, so that they can come home with a refreshed persecution complex about how the world is so mean and they need to stay to help fight and fix it. Yep. It is also why the pastors go "preach" (scream at people) in public spaces where they are very much not wanted. They want stories of how evil and horrible people were to them, backed up by an accompanying church member. Other church members hear them and think "well I'm never going there! This church is the only safe haven in this awful world!"
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My unbiased and closer reading of history leads me to believe those 35,000 International Brigades who poured into Spain to take up arms against the Nationalists were elite forces of death and war porn fan bois also.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I’ve only met Mormon missionaries, and they were a chill bunch. It was also in Puerto Rico, and they were wearing full suits in like +35, so maybe they’re were simply cooked by the time of our meeting. I think Mormon missionaries are different in that they are actually trying to do “gods work.”
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While it could be removal of logs/trackers, since it's the Russian Black Sea fleet, equally good chance they just sank.
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FishMcCool posted:Just making things official really: that was already the perception a long time ago. I had a russian coworker, like from 2003 to 2008? And each year where he went back a bit to Russia to see some family or do some official stuff, he was poo poo scared that he wouldn't be allowed to leave. Then all his russia-based friends started to drop him, calling him a spy/traitor/5th column on social networks. His house got robbed too, but nothing much of value was taken, but the family's passports were gone... And that was about 15 years ago, imagine what it must be like now... Just wanted to say, Ireland is incredibly committed to all the central and Eastern European people moving around because of this terrible conflict. Yiz are 100% welcome. We love our neighbours and we value them AS neighbours.
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Shifty Pony posted:Yep. Had a preacher standing in the local mall around Christmas time telling kids waiting to get their picture taken with Santa that Santa did not in fact exist, only Jesus was real. Made a lot of kids cry and pissed off a lot of parents.
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Pook Good Mook posted:While it could be removal of logs/trackers, since it's the Russian Black Sea fleet, equally good chance they just sank. Ukraine isn’t reporting sinking any much Russian vessels, and what little they’ve reported was at least partially optimistic.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Ukraine isn’t reporting sinking any much Russian vessels, and what little they’ve reported was at least partially optimistic. I never claimed the Ukrainians sank them.
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Boris Galerkin posted:I think Mormon missionaries are different in that they are actually trying to do “gods work.”
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the popes toes posted:https://twitter.com/Caucasuswar/status/1504487744042528778?cxt=HHwWlMCribrogeEpAAAA Respond. With. What. The same flailing units?
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the popes toes posted:https://twitter.com/Caucasuswar/status/1504487744042528778?cxt=HHwWlMCribrogeEpAAAA Mercilessly forcing country after country to meet the same fate as Ukraine, soon Bosnia too will humiliate them militarily.
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CommieGIR posted:Respond. With. What. The same flailing units? Ya considering their offensive capabilities are limited to the range of a single tank of gas, I think B/H is pretty safe.
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the popes toes posted:https://twitter.com/Caucasuswar/status/1504487744042528778?cxt=HHwWlMCribrogeEpAAAA would they invade from the sea? how does this even work
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punishedkissinger posted:would they invade from the sea? how does this even work Maybe they're planning to ask Serbia to do them a favor?
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Bosnia still has a UN approved peacekeeping force there, EUFOR.
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Ynglaur posted:20,000 have signed up according to the Ukrainian government. You can sign up at an embassy or consulate, so the actual number who get approved, actually go through with it, and actually get sent to a fighting unit remain to be seen. Thanks for sourcing the number. Yeah, ain't saying it won't help, but the idea that they'll be decisive and something the Russians should specifically fear is pretty questionable unless it really comes right down to the wire. This is a drat big war, we're not gonna see retired SEAL teams ride down to Mariupol, single-handedly lift the siege with miniguns in both hands before swigging a bottle of vodka and standing at the coastline to sink the Black Sea Fleet with corrosive long-range piss.
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the popes toes posted:https://twitter.com/Caucasuswar/status/1504487744042528778?cxt=HHwWlMCribrogeEpAAAA So the Russian government has lost all touch with reality at this point I see.
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ZombieLenin posted:So the Russian government has lost all touch with reality at this point I see. So rational. So genius. You can't teach that. International affairs intangibles, baby.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:How big is the Dnieper? On political maps it always gets shown kind of cleaving Ukraine in two which doesn’t seem to happen for other major European rivers This is an image of Ukraine from space. Ukraine is 1300km wide. I think you can very clearly see that for most of it's length, Dniepr is very wide indeed:  (And even in many areas where it's not literally a 10km wide lake, the areas close to it are actually swampy enough to effectively unpassable except by foot.) Tuna-Fish fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Mar 17, 2022 |
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CommieGIR posted:Respond. With. What. The same flailing units?
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I've seen mentioned the argument that NATO is actually responsible for the current war, and that Russia is (almost) blameless. I have no clue how one comes to this conclusion; I was accused of only listening to "pro-west" sources on the matter when I got into an argument with a friend over this stuff. Can someone give me a link or a short rundown on the position of the argument?
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1st_Panzer_Div. posted:
Wagner are in no way 3rd party mercenaries, they are deniable asset for warcriming it up. They are oligarch's pet pmc, based in a country where pmcs are illegal, and afaik only ever employed by Russia, or Russia-in-disguise. 1st_Panzer_Div. posted:My primary source is that this makes a lot of sense My dude, please look up what source means.
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PederP posted:Maybe they're planning to ask Serbia to do them a favor? They could
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