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Slashrat posted:Perhaps the thinking is that a batch of new hires is less likely to already contain someone involved in a plot to poison him, and attempts to recruit of one of them into such a plot will be easier to catch than figuring out if any existing staff has already been recruited.
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Chello De Don posted:I've seen mentioned the argument that NATO is actually responsible for the current war, and that Russia is (almost) blameless. I have no clue how one comes to this conclusion; I was accused of only listening to "pro-west" sources on the matter when I got into an argument with a friend over this stuff. Can someone give me a link or a short rundown on the position of the argument? No. Go sea-lion somewhere else. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Shes Not Impressed posted:Not sure if this was posted. Losing track of officers. ...is that a camo sleep mask on his helmet?
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Friday, Moscow will have a stadium celebration for annexing Crimea. I'm assuming attendence is, er, free of charge https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1504557515278802948?cxt=HHwWiICzpdbFoeEpAAAA
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BBC report, embedded with Kharkiv defenders: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-60786964
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Shibawanko posted:is serbia a lost cause at this point? i recall they were basically on their way to applying for EU membership at one point, but i havent been paying attention My government did threaten to torpedo their EU application if they don’t shut the gently caress up, and they’ve backed down on the specific point of contention, Air Serbia servicing Russian flight destinations.
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https://twitter.com/JonathanLanday/status/1504564488816766982 The American that was killed in Chernihiv was among the people in that bread line...
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:That guy's got to be retired by now, right? Pulled back from retirement for one last mission........
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:I feel like a ghoul for feeling this way, but every time I see news of a VDV commander being killed or captured, a little part of me hopes it's the guy from the music video. that guy, alex buinov, was never a solider. he was a pop musician and then he became a right wing politician. pretty sure this is him playing the keyboard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk8GgtGeehU OAquinas posted:...is that a camo sleep mask on his helmet? those are goggles with a camo-pattern cloth sock thing over them to keep them from getting dirty / flashing glare about the place
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Pavlov posted:I would really recommend passing on this, but yes they are likely to get a response. True it's not for the faint of heart, but out of the 3 WW3 threads I'm following, it's the only thread that goes into the history of conflicts that happen, and explain they're beliefs even while people are being actively antagonistic. As long as you don't go in saying "Hey what's up you fuckin NAZIS DICK SUCKING PUTINITES!!?" You could at least gather information from people who are able to provide a more rounded and complete set of ideas and understanding of their beliefs. Whereas in other places on the forums, you may find it a bit difficult to get a well thought out argument that is also concise. It's also the only place on the forums you can go to hear opinions that may not run exactly along what the other threads are giving. It's good to observe your beliefs from multiple perspectives, and that means having difficult discussions and educating yourself on the matter.
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Especially since boring Nato discussions are not allowed in this thread.
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Ynglaur posted:I'd be interested if they pushed from Mykolaiv or just went around Russian forces east of Mykolaiv and cut them off. Catch 22. Major Major.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:I feel like a ghoul for feeling this way, but every time I see news of a VDV commander being killed or captured, a little part of me hopes it's the guy from the music video. The lead singer guy? He's just a singer. Still going strong at 71 though. sniper4625 fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Mar 17, 2022 |
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VideoGameVet posted:Catch 22. Major Major. That's Major Major Major Major
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Morrow posted:Serbia is very pro-Russia and anti-NATO since the former is basically the only country that had its back during that whole business in the 90s. They very much want to be part of the EU and have gotten most of the way there, so it's possible to say they are anti-NATO but pro-EU. Their pro-Russia stance here is absolutely damaging their odds of integration and it's going to be a real inflection point going forward. I hope you're right because while I haven't been back since 2019 it is disgustingly Pro-Russia over there and they still bear a massive grudge about the NATO bombings and the belief that they were treated unfairly by the west who arbitrarily sided with the Croatians. Plus there seems to be a lot of far-right bullshit popping up in Serbia including neo-Cetnik movements that want to revive the monarchy (lol). The Serbs still want Kosovo back and think losing it was a US scheme to steal the natural resources. There is a lot of hosed up propaganda there with some insanely looney Q-Anon style conspiracies including how the real Tito apparently died in Barcelona and the one who ruled until his death was a body double who served the west. They have a serious propaganda and information problem over there. It's encouraging though because while they SAY a lot of pro-russian stuff the actions seem to point to attempted EU integration.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:That guy's got to be retired by now, right? That guy is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Zolotov Edit: actually not sure if that’s younger Zolotov there, or the factual singer cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Mar 17, 2022 |
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1. Look, I'm not saying that I have a rational basis for wondering if it's going to be the guy when I scroll down. 2. Have you seen how the war's going? Putin's low on people he can trust.
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Kraftwerk posted:I hope you're right because while I haven't been back since 2019 it is disgustingly Pro-Russia over there and they still bear a massive grudge about the NATO bombings and the belief that they were treated unfairly by the west who arbitrarily sided with the Croatians. Even in the EU they'll be like Hungary in that they're a revanchist little gremlin of a state, but the economic benefits of being in the EU will eventually make them swallow their pride.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:I feel like a ghoul for feeling this way, but every time I see news of a VDV commander being killed or captured, a little part of me hopes it's the guy from the music video. That guy is Alexander Buinov, a musician, and he's in his 70s.
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OAquinas posted:...is that a camo sleep mask on his helmet? It might be one of those helmet obfuscators, like on IDF helmets.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:2. Have you seen how the war's going? Putin's low on people he can trust. putin orders his honor guard to rough up the guy who got them stuck in an unwinnable quagmire. they're like 'are u sure bro' insert rest of joke
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Just Another Lurker posted:Context/relevance would be nice. It’s not relevant for this thread.
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Trying some sources to back up the NATO mercenary claim. As you would expect - CIA lead mercenary force operations sources are not readily publicly available - take them as you will: Blackwater from NYT in Libya (where they won): https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/25/world/middleeast/libya-mercenaries-arms-embargo.html Daily Mail article on Russian (not Wagner) Mercenaries (just like Libya) in Ukraine: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10602265/Putin-enlists-16-000-Middle-Eastern-mercenaries-fight-Ukraine.html Morning Star article accusing the mercenary/oil conglomerate (that is roughly Black Water) of deploying mercenaries as well as buying up assets in Odessa to ship in Adnoc oil & Gas: https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/blackwater-mercenaries-training-far-right-militia-ukraine-donetsk-military-commander-claims An article from a mercenary job website that states they are absolutely not conducting offensive missions in Ukraine. Very importantly the end of the article includes a link to job search Ukraine contracts (contradicting the entire article): https://www.your-poc.com/contractors-or-mercenaries/ Protective Agent Merc Job Posting for Ukraine - pays 6x the same job in Iraq: https://silentprofessionals.org/location/ukraine/ Cop Journal reiterating the 16,000 - 20,000 figure: https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com...ght-in-ukraine/
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Interesting thread: https://twitter.com/rafsanchez/status/1504460554609602564?s=20&t=f9GvIVSkP4HlaZW-hFm5NQ The idea that Russians are carrying Nazi flags into Ukraine to try and claim evidence that Ukrainians are Nazis is just so Putin.
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Shes Not Impressed posted:Interesting thread: Finally, a true false flag.
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1st_Panzer_Div. posted:Trying some sources to back up the NATO mercenary claim. As you would expect - CIA lead mercenary force operations sources are not readily publicly available - take them as you will: Nothing there supports your previously made claims. Furthermore, literally all of the “relevant evidence” in the links you’ve brought up is this one tweet from a random account: https://twitter.com/reptilien31/status/1500474872123826183 Please stop wasting thread’s time, and consider developing basic media literacy. I’m sure someone will try to well actually me here - that’s a real statement, but presented via random clown tweet posted to some random police newspaper, it does not constitute a quality source. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Mar 17, 2022 |
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cinci zoo sniper posted:It might be one of those helmet obfuscators, like on IDF helmets.
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Shes Not Impressed posted:Interesting thread: Putin's Russia really is cartoonishly evil but also so obvious in their plots, like a real life KOBRA or something  This whole "Ukraine is full of Nazis" thing is like their lamest ploy ever, especially from a country that actively funds and support the far right around the world.
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:No. Go sea-lion somewhere else. What is sea-lioning? Also, thank you to everyone who provided some answers. I don't want y'all to relitigate the whole NATO BAD argument, so I won't press further
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TulliusCicero posted:Putin's Russia really is cartoonishly evil but also so obviious in their plots, like a real life KOBRA or something Yet you see takes that the Russians are being very judicious and discriminate in their violence while in the same breath insisting on surrender because NATO forced Ukraine into a becoming a charnel house. Yeah Ukraine really does have a nazi problem, but those nazis they aren't the ones salting the earth and leveling entire cities.
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Chello De Don posted:What is sea-lioning? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning in terms of your friend, listen to everything they can explain in their own words and any arguments which they defer to a twitter thread, obscure podcast, or four hour youtube video can be discarded
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1st_Panzer_Div. posted:Trying some sources to back up the NATO mercenary claim. As you would expect - CIA lead mercenary force operations sources are not readily publicly available - take them as you will: 1) Has nothing to do with Ukraine, and is from 2020 2) ... RUSSIA'S mercenaries, not Ukraine's. 3) Source: "Deputy chief-of-staff of the Donetsk People’s Republic militia Eduard Basurin", also provides no evidence or anything, is just baseless assertions 4) That's the generic "Click here to learn more!", also lol 5) This is a listing for bodyguards, not mercenaries. 6) Is about the volunteers, not people being hired to go fight.
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Ah. Unfortunately I can't claim that troll moniker. I really am just super polite to strangers sometimes to a fault lol. And admittedly a little ignorant of the nuances of EE history.
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https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/bonds/us-treasury-allow-russia-bond-payment-go-through-avoid-default-2022-3quote:Russia says it made a $117 million bond payment — a move to avoid defaulting on its debt — and the US Treasury Department said it would allow the installment. That's going to be the soonest possible default on USD bonds then. Frosty Mossman posted:It's goggles inside a protective cover. Ah, cheers.
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Chello De Don posted:That was the vibe I was getting from his argument, especially once the whataboutisms with American Imperialism started. I am not as hardline as some in CSPAM and I have some "hot takes". I can try and give you a good faith answer as I generally agree with the argument a lot of the large scale geopolitical factors are the fault of NATO (though the actual crimes are on Putin for invading - this is not a binary view): *NATO does want a forever enemy. 1984 & Patriot Act is roughly the reason why. *Ukraine is not new. It is simply a new front of what's occurred in Libya & Syria the past decade. *The US military defense complex is real, extremely wealthy and influential and promotes conflict. Ignoring my mercenary claims, giant defense/oil conglomerates are massively profiting from this engagement. Germany just ordered F-35's - this order alone is greater than many nation's GDP. *US incumbents get a large popularity boost when conflict breaks out generally. Biden, among others, have received this boost with this conflict. *NATO has continually expanded towards Russia since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Russia views this as a threat, which NATO is aware of. NATO can be accused of in this case 'poking the bear' by sacrificing Ukraine, to gain other NATO support. In favor of this argument - multiple non-NATO nations have expressed interest in joining in the past month. NATO members have increased spending - notable the aforementioned billions in German F-35's. I don't agree with all of the above, nor will I try to source and defend each of these claims, just offering up some of the core arguments. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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According to the below thread China's internal media is starting to shift to be more open about civilian casualties in Ukraine, which while a good sign isn't the be-all end-all. The whole thread is worth a read. https://twitter.com/BeijingPalmer/status/1504554432205316097?t=MPkbSdSBQWyY89t39aLlXQ&s=19 For now it seems China is staying neutral/won't move for Russia or against Ukraine. Mostly they're anti-US. If China starts shutting down the pro-Russia stuff in minor league articles and on social media then Russia should be very worried. Edit: the poster is the deputy editor of Foreign Policy magazine,
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1st_Panzer_Div. posted:I am not as hardline as some in CSPAM and I have some "hot takes". I can try and give you a good faith answer as I generally agree with the argument a lot of the large scale geopolitical factors are the fault of NATO (though the actual crimes are on Putin for invading - this is not a binary view): Thanks man, this was super helpful. Itgives me a good launching point to do some research!
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Chello De Don posted:Ah. Unfortunately I can't claim that troll moniker. I really am just super polite to strangers sometimes to a fault lol. And admittedly a little ignorant of the nuances of EE history. I’m just curious if you have any sources to back up your opinion?
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Gorman Thomas posted:Had there been any indication of how many civilians stayed behind in the city? I saw on Twitter that 20k were evacuated yesterday. Mariupol' is a city of 450,000 people, which is a huge number to evacuate, and the city is completely surrounded by Russian troops. So far the Russians have done things like saying they'll open a humanitarian corridor, then covering the corridor with butterfly mines. Yesterday they allowed some people to leave, but only into Russian territory. That was the 20K people. I'd imagine the majority of the residents are extremely wary of the treatment they'd receive in Russia, and would only evacuate there out of desparation. Anyway, it seems likely that at least 300K, maybe 400K civilians are still in Mariupol right now.
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