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orphean posted:I keep looking at Volpone Glory and just can’t bring myself to pull the trigger. I hate those blue blooded bastards. Is it any good? The Volpone Bluebloods are an interesting regiment with a fun rivalry against the Tanith 1st and Only. Every single Volpone story not written by Abnett has been absolute garbage.
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Telsa Cola posted:https://youtu.be/AWnQedD4BlI It wasn't a full suiting up, but the sequence at the end of the first Angels of Death episode where the cherubs were handing out weapons to some really tense music was loving awesome. 
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Arc Hammer posted:The Imperial Fists had to make some policy changes after Battle Brother Biff got a bit too excited during an armouring ceremony. They kept their name as an act of remembrance though
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Arc Hammer posted:The Volpone Bluebloods are an interesting regiment with a fun rivalry against the Tanith 1st and Only. The only Volpone story I remember featured Scions and some heretic super witch from the first omnibus. And that's pretty much all I remember. And I'm not even sure it featured Volpone's in the first place now that I think about it. 
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The new Successors anthology is really great. Peter Fehervari has a great Angels Resplendent/Penitent followup story to The Reverie. We also get an Exorcist chapter story as well as a Black Dragons story. They are really leaning into the more unique chapters and I love it.
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So, at the thread's suggestion, I read Legion while looking for some Alpha Legion goodness. It was okay! I wasn't really crazy about it, and I wonder if the fun I had with Pariah/Penitent and the last bits of Xenos were exceptions to the rule, and I just don't vibe very much with Abnett. That's not to say he's bad, just that the characters always seem kinda flimsy. There were a bunch of things to like about the Geno, and I actually really liked the Cabal as a plot point, but John Grammaticus felt lame as poo poo, and I never felt particularly invested in Alpharius or the other legionnaires. I'm going to give the 30k stuff one more shake before I decide I just don't find the Horus Heresy stuff interesting -- do folks think "The First Heretic" might be a good call? The thread's sung praises about it before, and I liked ADB's stuff with the Night Lords and Black Legion (though I've only read the first book of each, admittedly), and in a void, I think Lorgar's weird relationship with religiosity, the Imperium and what will eventually be the Imperial Creed, and Chaos interesting, so it seems like a shoe-in. On another note, I really, really like Fehervari's stuff, and I also read "Twice Dead King: Ruin", "Day of Ascension", and "The Bookkeeper's Skull" and they all absolutely slapped. Easy recommendations across the board, depending on what you like. The Bookkeeper's Skull felt like a really low-level Dark Heresy game, which was 200% my poo poo.
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Sinner Sandwich posted:I'm going to give the 30k stuff one more shake before I decide I just don't find the Horus Heresy stuff interesting -- do folks think "The First Heretic" might be a good call? The thread's sung praises about it before, and I liked ADB's stuff with the Night Lords and Black Legion (though I've only read the first book of each, admittedly), and in a void, I think Lorgar's weird relationship with religiosity, the Imperium and what will eventually be the Imperial Creed, and Chaos interesting, so it seems like a shoe-in. Betrayer is also a good read, I think it comes after The First Heretic?
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Sinner Sandwich posted:So, at the thread's suggestion, I read Legion while looking for some Alpha Legion goodness. The First Heretic is good and it sounds like you will like the themes. Master of Mankind is another very good Heresy book and probably the best look at the Emperor in any book so it's definitely worth reading. You should 200% finish the Night Lords (and Black Legion for that matter). If you liked TDK: Ruin you must read the sequel TDK: Reign. Also if you are looking for more Alpharius stuff then his primarch novel by Mike Brooks is good. Finally, if you like Fehervari's make sure you read The Reverie and Requiem Infernal if you haven't yet, really just read everything he wrote it's all good.
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D-Pad posted:The First Heretic is good and it sounds like you will like the themes. Master of Mankind is another very good Heresy book and probably the best look at the Emperor in any book so it's definitely worth reading. You should 200% finish the Night Lords (and Black Legion for that matter). If you liked TDK: Ruin you must read the sequel TDK: Reign. Also if you are looking for more Alpharius stuff then his primarch novel by Mike Brooks is good. Finally, if you like Fehervari's make sure you read The Reverie and Requiem Infernal if you haven't yet, really just read everything he wrote it's all good. The trouble with Fehervari is that I'm married to audiobooks, and the only one of his that is on Audible is The Reverie. I would love the rest of his stuff so I can inject that poo poo directly into my veins, but I kind of have to make due. I'm 100% planning on finishing Night Lords, Black Legion, and TDK when I can, though. Gravitas Shortfall posted:Betrayer is also a good read, I think it comes after The First Heretic? I'll add it to the list! Hopefully The First Heretic won't burn me on 30k forever and I can add Master of Mankind and the Alpharius novel onto the pile too.
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Sinner Sandwich posted:I'll add it to the list! Hopefully The First Heretic won't burn me on 30k forever and I can add Master of Mankind and the Alpharius novel onto the pile too. This might be a dumb question, but have you read the first few Horus Heresy books? (Horus Rising / False Gods / Galaxy in Flames at the least) Only asking because you mentioned looking for AL books and grabbing Legion, but I don't know if you've read any other 30k stuff. Later on in the series the books feel more like sidequests for sure, but I feel like a lot of the later developments (even something like Legion, but especially The First Heretic and Betrayer) would feel pretty toothless without the setup of the opening trilogy.
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Count Thrashula posted:This might be a dumb question, but have you read the first few Horus Heresy books? (Horus Rising / False Gods / Galaxy in Flames at the least) Only asking because you mentioned looking for AL books and grabbing Legion, but I don't know if you've read any other 30k stuff. Admittedly, I have not. I heard solid things about the first few books in the series, but I'm more interested in themes and specific factions than I am the Heresy as a whole. I think part of it is that, by in large, I think space marines are very boring (though obviously I've made a lot of exceptions) but do you really think I'm crippling myself by not reading those opening books?
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I don't think you need the first three books to enjoy First Heretic, Betrayer or Know no Fear. You might not hate Erebus quite as much as you should, but otherwise I don't think there's anything story critical. First Heretic in particular takes place way before the opening three books. I really struggled to finish books 2 and especially 3; book 1 was "fine" but those second two were so poorly written. The three above were, on the other hand, some of my favorite BL books.
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drgnvale posted:I don't think you need the first three books to enjoy First Heretic, Betrayer or Know no Fear. You might not hate Erebus quite as much as you should, but otherwise I don't think there's anything story critical. First Heretic in particular takes place way before the opening three books. I second this. The first three HH books are fine. They loving slapped when I was fifteen and they just came out, but a reread earlier this year was pretty disappointing. Black Library's quality has come up a lot since then. Skimming a wiki article is really all the background you'll need before First Heretic. And it's definitely some of the best in the heresy series, along with it's follow-ups as mentioned.
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Those are valid points  I love them and consider them essential, but your mileage may vary!
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thocan posted:I second this. The first three HH books are fine. They loving slapped when I was fifteen and they just came out, but a reread earlier this year was pretty disappointing. Black Library's quality has come up a lot since then. Yeah, when I read Horus Rising 16 years ago (Jesus loving Christ) I was fully aware that I was going to be reading trash and was pleasantly surprised with it's feel after years of generic bolter porn. But the quality dipped on book two then took a full nose dive in book three. It's definitely more noticeable now that BL have got some extremely good writers and the bar has crept up over time. Hey, remember at the end of book three when Horus did that batman logo thing with the eye of Horus after the dropsite massacre and said "right, we're off to Terra" and we thought "Yay! Here we go!". Good times...
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I can't help but wonder how things might have been different if after the initial trilogy they did a Siege of Terra trilogy right away. Then filled in the rest of the Heresy novels after the fact.
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Probably not much better I feel. It would sorta be like the current situation in which the ending book are considered to be lacklustre whilst the beginning is suddenly the best part.
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The biggest problem with the whole HH series is it became a product line in and of itself. I think it would have worked really well Siege of Terra style as a more focused ten book series. They could even have done all million other books still like the primarchs sub series - just after the fact. I can’t really begrudge them. It makes business sense to do it the way they did it if people are buying them. But narratively speaking, we’re left with having to thread a needle through a morass of unfocused, spread-too-thin material.
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It seems a little odd from the inside, but there's a lot of fans of other games out there that hold Black Library up as the shining example of how to expand your game lore and make fans happy. I would certainly rather have to dig through all the crap and get a few nuggets of gold than have none at all.
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Fellblade posted:It seems a little odd from the inside, but there's a lot of fans of other games out there that hold Black Library up as the shining example of how to expand your game lore and make fans happy. Yeah, it's why I always defend their scattergun approach to video games. Nobody's enjoyment of 40k is reduced by a lovely mobile gacha game existing (this might not be true for e.g. Tolkien, which has a literary aura that 40k never had or will), and this way we can get the occasional Mechanicus or Vermintide. One valid criticism of the Horus Heresy is that, being a human civil war, it relegated Xeno lore to the back of the publishing catalog for a long time. Now that they've started publishing a few Xeno POV novels we are seeing that they are perfectly capable of producing engaging stories and characters.
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Fellblade posted:It seems a little odd from the inside, but there's a lot of fans of other games out there that hold Black Library up as the shining example of how to expand your game lore and make fans happy. Yeah compared to literally every single other franchise with tie-in novels and other fiction BL is easily the most consistently well written. Granted, that is one of the lowest possible bars
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its not consistent but they just publish hundreds of books and let the good stuff rise you can't actually do proper quality control on hundreds of books
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bob dobbs is dead posted:its not consistent but they just publish hundreds of books and let the good stuff rise Compared to any other similar tie-ins, it is consistent. That's a statement on the poor quality of the other tie-ins.
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I've read all the tanith abnett stuff and enjoyed it, and I'm reading eisenhorn now on book 2, halfway or so. Not sure why the time skip happened, and kind of disappointed both books start by fridging a redshirt chick that we're supposed to care about with no background. The first book was solid past the intro, but man the second books just has not grabbed me sadly.
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Has anyone ever discussed the Black Library editorial process? Like who edits the books? How involved is the process, how many revisions they go through etc? I’ve known a few people who wrote licensed fiction, and for a lot of them, Battletech for instance, there was no editorial, they published their first drafts. If BL editors are more involved that would explain the higher general consistency of the books.
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Skyl3lazer posted:I've read all the tanith abnett stuff and enjoyed it, and I'm reading eisenhorn now on book 2, halfway or so. Not sure why the time skip happened, and kind of disappointed both books start by fridging a redshirt chick that we're supposed to care about with no background. The first book was solid past the intro, but man the second books just has not grabbed me sadly. Honestly, I think Eisenhorn 2 is the weakest, but you're dead-on about that opening tendency. I'd recommend sticking with it if only because you might enjoy Hereticus a bit more, and the later books that build on Eisenhorn are really good. Personally, I think they're worth it to get to Pariah and Penitent, which I really, really enjoyed, but your mileage may vary. That said, at least fridging female characters for male angst starts to drop off in Ravenor and the Bequin books.
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Sinner Sandwich posted:Honestly, I think Eisenhorn 2 is the weakest, but you're dead-on about that opening tendency. I'd recommend sticking with it if only because you might enjoy Hereticus a bit more, and the later books that build on Eisenhorn are really good. Yeah, Eisenhorne is pretty good but it's early BL and Dabnett. He's definitely gotten significantly better as an author over time even though he started out as one of the better BL writers.
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Bucnasti posted:Has anyone ever discussed the Black Library editorial process? Like who edits the books? How involved is the process, how many revisions they go through etc? Oh yeah they definitely have in house editors and people who review the lore for accuracy etc. I believe Nick Kyme is the head editor? It's a legit, but small, publishing operation.
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I know that some of the 2nd and 3rd tier authors for BL work as editors for the "big guys". Abnett has mentioned a couple familiar names as editing his books. Aforementioned Nick Kyme has a handful of novels for BL under his belt and also edits other works.
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Here’s an interview with Laurie Golding, who was a head editor at GW: http://www.trackofwords.com/2017/02/11/black-library-there-and-back-again-with-laurie-goulding/ It’s mostly about that period where the Black Library went to poo poo and their good authors peaced out on them.
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Jerkface posted:Aforementioned Nick Kyme has a handful of novels for BL under his belt and also edits other works. He should stick to editing, his writing is awful and worth neither the paper it is printed on nor the ink.
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He’s ADB’s editor, so he’s apparently pretty good at editing, at least.
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Khizan posted:He’s ADB’s editor, so he’s apparently pretty good at editing, at least. FoulWeatherFriend posted:He should stick to editing, his writing is awful and worth neither the paper it is printed on nor the ink.
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At least this is the hand gesture I picture when they talk about “the sign of the Aquila”
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0konner posted:At least this is the hand gesture I picture when they talk about “the sign of the Aquila"
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0konner posted:At least this is the hand gesture I picture when they talk about “the sign of the Aquila” Gotta link the thumbs. The eagle has two heads.
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OPAONI posted:Gotta link the thumbs. The eagle has two heads. True it’s an imperfect aquila salute.
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Thumbs need to be linked but yes thats how it's described. There's also another one for the cog boys.
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