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cinci zoo sniper posted:Yeah, RU and UA armies proper don’t release too much footage. Occasional drone or AT missile hits, not much else. Army soldiers proper have been maintaining decent enough opsec on both sides. Well UA has been maintaining good opec. RU reportedly took everyone's phones when they got to staging. I would assume that if more conscripts had phones we would be see all sorts of
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Djarum posted:Well UA has been maintaining good opec. RU reportedly took everyone's phones when they got to staging. I would assume that if more conscripts had phones we would be see all sorts of I don't think they did a particularly good job with taking phones away, given that we were able to track movements of their vehicles via Google Maps traffic jam highlights up until Google disabled that feature for Ukraine.
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Sit-rep of the Eastern Front from Igor "Strelkov" Girkin. You know the separatist guy from 2014. Machine translationquote:Summary of LDNR:.
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FYI, https://www.deepl.com/translator is a bit better with machine translations than Google Translate, in my experience. Might be handy for people who don't read Russian, though it doesn't support Ukrainian, unfortunately. Not saying the translation above is bad, just something I wanted to mention before.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:FYI, https://www.deepl.com/translator is a bit better with machine translations than Google Translate, in my experience. Might be handy for people who don't read Russian, though it doesn't support Ukrainian, unfortunately. If it doesn't support Ukraine it's a racist translator
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deathbysnusnu posted:Russia is obviously not going to invade Poland, but if they did the Poles alone would be enough to mudstomp them judging by how Ukraine is going. The Eurasia thread on day 2 of the war was talking seriously about how if an open NATO/Russia conflict happened, the Russians would have been seizing German air bases inside a week. WTF, how is this "posting about posters" he's just contrasting the consensus from the beginning of the war with the current situation. Bonkers.
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Concerned Citizen posted:me and the bois out on the town Is that nu pogodi music lol
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OctaMurk posted:The idea that Russia has NOT taken thousands of KIA is completely ludicrous even if you think they are winning. This is a major force-on-force confrontation between nations with millions of people, hundreds of thousands of soldiers, thousands of tanks, hundreds of aircraft, thousands of artillery pieces. By WW2 standards these casualties are actually fairly low. I've not had any trouble believing the numbers that we have been seeing. I guess most of us are more used to seeing the numbers from US wars of the past few decades, but that's from a country that isn't completely incompetent.
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OctaMurk posted:The idea that Russia has NOT taken thousands of KIA is completely ludicrous even if you think they are winning. This is a major force-on-force confrontation between nations with millions of people, hundreds of thousands of soldiers, thousands of tanks, hundreds of aircraft, thousands of artillery pieces. It makes sense if your only source of information is Russian MoD or Twitter accounts with names like 'russians with attitude'.
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Preoptopus posted:Is that nu pogodi music lol I admit, I didn't even realize the video had audio.
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steinrokkan posted:WTF, how is this "posting about posters" he's just contrasting the consensus from the beginning of the war with the current situation. Bonkers. This is not the thread to post about what Eurasia thread or some other thread is doing. You can make your comparisons without inviting cross-forum drama. WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:If it doesn't support Ukraine it's a racist translator Ok.
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Ynglaur posted:If they're correct, it's getting close. The USSR was suffering something like 1,000 KIA a day during the Battle of Berlin. The USSR had around 196 million people in 1941. Russia has around 146 million today. Those are some crazy high numbers if correct.
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, and they all paint the same picture: Russia cannot sustain this level of attrition for more than a few months, and they don't seem to be doing anything to stop the bleeding.
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Deteriorata posted:For those interested in how captured Russian equipment is repurposed for the Ukrainian forces: The most EE job is a cruise missile recycling center owner operator
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I don't think they did a particularly good job with taking phones away, given that we were able to track movements of their vehicles via Google Maps traffic jam highlights up until Google disabled that feature for Ukraine. Well and the fact that I believe the local telecoms disabled Russian service from their networks so most are out of service in theater. There has been more than one report of RU taking locals phones to make calls presumably because theirs don’t work.
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Ynglaur posted:If they're correct, it's getting close. The USSR was suffering something like 1,000 KIA a day during the Battle of Berlin. The USSR had around 196 million people in 1941. Russia has around 146 million today. I looked up on Wikipedia what the casualtie numbers were for the Soviets in the Soviet Afghan war. According to Wiki, it's about 14.5K. that was spread out over a 10 year period. The Russians most likely have already surpassed that number in Ukraine in only about 4 weeks. And the Afghan war is believed by many to have been a contributing factor to the downfall of the Soviet Union.
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Charliegrs posted:I looked up on Wikipedia what the casualtie numbers were for the Soviets in the Soviet Afghan war. According to Wiki, it's about 14.5K. that was spread out over a 10 year period. The Russians most likely have already surpassed that number in Ukraine in only about 4 weeks. And the Afghan war is believed by many to have been a contributing factor to the downfall of the Soviet Union. Well that was ten years of paying. feeding and supplying an army in the field, along with providing for its massive genocidal operations and large scale "population transfers", also paying for the puppet Afghan government... The sort of stuff that made American occupations also absurdly expensive. Dead recruits, even blown up tanks are cheap in comparison. We'll see how the war develops, but in absence of other stresses, I think a dictatorship can stomach many more bodies without necessarily being pressured into a crisis by that fact alone. steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Mar 21, 2022 |
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I don't think they did a particularly good job with taking phones away, given that we were able to track movements of their vehicles via Google Maps traffic jam highlights up until Google disabled that feature for Ukraine. I don't think Google Maps detected the traffic jams due to soldier's phones, but rather civilians who were being affected by military movements due to intersections being closed off or routes being shut down
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Yureina posted:By WW2 standards these casualties are actually fairly low. I've not had any trouble believing the numbers that we have been seeing. I guess most of us are more used to seeing the numbers from US wars of the past few decades, but that's from a country that isn't completely incompetent. WWII battles generally had much, much, MUCH larger formations committed to battle.
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steinrokkan posted:Well that was ten years of paying. feeding and supplying an army in the field, along with providing for its massive genocidal operations and large scale "population transfers", also paying for the puppet Afghan government... The sort of stuff that made American occupations also absurdly expensive. Dead recruits, even blown up tanks are cheap in comparison. We'll see how the war develops, but in absence of other stresses, I think a dictatorship can stomach many more bodies without necessarily being pressured into a crisis by that fact alone. Possibly, but of course the meatgrinder isn't the only thing Russia is dealing with. The Soviets went in to Afghanistan after spending decades being economically apart from the West. Russia just got jumped back to that era after a full 30 years of integration with Western economies. Almost every soldier in the field for them has grown up with access to Western amenities that will be gone once/if they return home. Not to mention the various ticking economic timebombs that Russia definitely was not prepared to fend off from those sanctions. I think disinformation is the only thing keeping the Russian government alive at this moment and that has its limits.
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Not going to hold my breath, but Biden is heading over this week to Europe . https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1506014223108907010?s=20&t=sCvxGH37t41N6neZi3_d2w
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Doccers posted:Starlink would be my bet. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/specialist-drone-unit-picks-off-invading-forces-as-they-sleep-zlx3dj7bb https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/03/18/elon-musks-starlink-helping-ukraine-win-drone-war/ It was always clear that Starlink would have military / strategic uses. Now every nation will want one!
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Yureina posted:By WW2 standards these casualties are actually fairly low. I've not had any trouble believing the numbers that we have been seeing. I guess most of us are more used to seeing the numbers from US wars of the past few decades, but that's from a country that isn't completely incompetent. and fighting a foe that has to spend the majority of its resources to procure weapons that can damage anything more than a glorified truck. With total air and armor supremacy.
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Shes Not Impressed posted:Not going to hold my breath, but Biden is heading over this week to Europe .
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Russia has its worst demographics of all time for absorbing mass death of young men. Sources I see online seem to show the average median age of a Russian was 34 in 1990. It's over 40 now. Surely that has to be something to consider.
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OctaMurk posted:The idea that Russia has NOT taken thousands of KIA is completely ludicrous even if you think they are winning. This is a major force-on-force confrontation between nations with millions of people, hundreds of thousands of soldiers, thousands of tanks, hundreds of aircraft, thousands of artillery pieces. This just leaked: https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1505972650786672648
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VideoGameVet posted:This just leaked: Discussed over the previous couple of pages.
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I'll just leave this here. Who'd have thought? https://twitter.com/NoContextVarg/status/1505994351012462596?s=20&t=nJoKZhiirJOqsd7UJ5uldQ
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William Bear posted:Russia has its worst demographics of all time for absorbing mass death of young men. Sources I see online seem to show the average median age of a Russian was 34 in 1990. It's over 40 now. As large a number as it is I’m not sure it’s a massive % of their young male population. Like it’s obviously not ideal to have lost that many people but it’s not enough to trigger an imminent demographic crisis. The more pressing issue is that there’s 17,000 or so families and a larger number of other social contacts who have lost a family member/friend in the conflict who might start to ask inconvenient questions like “wtf is going on down there?” and “why?” and “is it worth it?”.
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with a rebel yell she QQd posted:I'll just leave this here. Who'd have thought? If there's a way that Varg can be an even bigger piece of human poo poo, it's quicker to assume that he's already figured it out
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Chalks posted:Wait Or Komsomolskaya Pravda accidentally printed the actual figures, then got a phonecall from the FSB, and are now desperately trying to come up with a cover story. Or they just made up some numbers and are now claiming it was a hack to muddy the waters. How do you, the Russian on the street, know what the true death toll is? All the newspapers are being hacked to exaggerate it!
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with a rebel yell she QQd posted:I'll just leave this here. Who'd have thought?
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with a rebel yell she QQd posted:I'll just leave this here. Who'd have thought? lol (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Lead out in cuffs posted:Or Komsomolskaya Pravda accidentally printed the actual figures, then got a phonecall from the FSB, and are now desperately trying to come up with a cover story. There's no way to know if it's a hack or not. It's certainly the cover story they would use if they accidentally published the real numbers. I would also expect a real hacker would do something with more... flair than this.
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https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1506008584005595136?s=20&t=HP0RIhNMyy2eOyHc1iSjXA Destroyed T-90. People are theorizing it was destroyed by an APC with smaller autocannon.
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Judakel posted:Kyiv is starving https://twitter.com/nolanwpeterson/status/1504861555703353357?s=20&t=QCOKj0mbLKPdk_wb7H_J5g
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CommieGIR posted:https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1506008584005595136?s=20&t=HP0RIhNMyy2eOyHc1iSjXA Almost looks like a mine, it blew one of the wheels off and there's a big crater all the way across the bottom. Maybe they just thrashed it from both sides. Either way immobilized = dead
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Random Integer posted:https://twitter.com/nolanwpeterson/status/1504861555703353357?s=20&t=QCOKj0mbLKPdk_wb7H_J5g I mean this is probably true, but there's kind of no way to tell when and where these pictures were taken.
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