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Interesting attempted travel of international political menace Paul Manafort https://twitter.com/AlexandraChalup/status/1506510474870931456?s=20&t=-2reqshsxtbUCTnXJy0EEg I bet his phone records are interesting. Also this reminded me he existed and I'm pissed about his pardon all over again.
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Grouchio posted:If the Swiss truly want to throw off neutrality regarding Russia they should jail Nestle execs for crimes against humanity.
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Yeah, he’s believed to be responsible for quite a bit of kidnappings, torture, and assassinations in Ukraine.
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Saoshyant posted:Reports that white phosphorus has allegedly been used in Hostomel and Irpin (no images/video): It's not. Both sides have used WP since 2014. It's a conventional weapon depending on how you use it.
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FishBulbia posted:It's not. Both sides have used WP since 2014. It's a conventional weapon depending on how you use it. It isn’t; or rather, it’s very grey. As someone posted earlier, it is absolutely illegal under the Geneva Protocols to use any incendiary weapon where civilians may be present. The use of white phosphorous as a weapon is also illegal to use against combatants in situations civilians are not present (this is where it is grey) if another type of weapon that does not cause “undue suffering” is available. It’s grey enough that both sides in a war like this might use it against one another, but the losing side should probably expect to be charged with war crimes at the conclusion of the war for having done so. PS. The United States very specifically did not sign this addendum to the protocol and used white phosphorus shells like they were going out of style in Fallujah. ZombieLenin fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Mar 23, 2022 |
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Interesting https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1506662763850092546?t=LlIahR4EWqTtWDEcfK41ZA&s=19 First time I've heard of this happening, doesn't mean it's the first time it's happened
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ZombieLenin posted:
Are you sure on that? My attempt to read https://www.un.org/disarmament/the-convention-on-certain-conventional-weapons/high-contracting-parties-and-signatories-ccw/ seems to disagree.
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KitConstantine posted:Interesting Maybe this is the start of that fabled counterattack. Why else would they do it?
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Kraftwerk posted:Maybe this is the start of that fabled counterattack. Why else would they do it? Maybe they’re just tired of the journalists. (It’s probably what you’re saying, or then expecting a big Russian push.)
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KitConstantine posted:Interesting by who? i assume the ukranians, but that's not made explicit.
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Kraftwerk posted:Maybe this is the start of that fabled counterattack. Why else would they do it? Yeah, I assume it's to improve opsec prior to a counter attack. It's kinda interesting that they might have something up their sleeve that the Russian's won't be expecting.
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evilweasel posted:by who? i assume the ukranians, but that's not made explicit. Who else would you suspect it to be?
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evilweasel posted:by who? i assume the ukranians, but that's not made explicit. Russia does not allow journalists period.
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Kraftwerk posted:Maybe this is the start of that fabled counterattack. Why else would they do it? Ponomorenko joined in this morning tweeting about that. https://www.twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1506594877999656963 He’s the most official source so far I’ve seen repeat this claim - yesterday it was just rumors among some non-credible accounts. Sounds like things are still in flux though and any envelopment is not fully secure yet. He also tweeted a claim that 80% of Irpin had been retaken.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Who else would you suspect it to be? i could easily imagine russia being more explicit than usual about their intention to shoot journalists tomorrow, and figure it's good to ask rather than assume! how you interpret that statement depends a lot on who is saying "stay away"
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If the latest US arms package did arrive recently there's a small window before it all gets delivered to TDF and regular forces in passenger cars they can't track. Armchair general, but I'd imagine the Ukranian Forces expect a solid offensive before their ability to resist increases even further. But that's speculation on top of speculation.
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Doccers posted:Russia does not allow journalists period. This isn't true, RT has journalists reporting from Ukraine. They're probably the only ones allowed though I'd imagine
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Hirsute posted:This isn't true, RT has journalists reporting from Ukraine. They're probably the only ones allowed though I'd imagine Very simple, those aren't journalists.
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evilweasel posted:i could easily imagine russia being more explicit than usual about their intention to shoot journalists tomorrow, and figure it's good to ask rather than assume! how you interpret that statement depends a lot on who is saying "stay away" It would be very odd for an Ukrainian military journalist living in Kyiv to say that that “zones are closed” if it were Russian warning about something all of a sudden.
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I really don't know enough about internal Belarus politics to have an informed opinion but I agree that it seems rather out there for the Belarus army to coup Lukashenko and straight up attacking Russian forces. However I could imagine a scenario where Belarusian troops are finally ordered into Ukraine, mutiny, and large parts of at least the lower ranks become part of a popular uprising. In that case I imagine Russian troops in Belarus would be utilized to try and crush the rebellion. That is just baseless speculation though, based on random tweets about Belarus troops refusing to go to war.
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ZombieLenin posted:It’s grey enough that both sides in a war like this might use it against one another, but the losing side should probably expect to be charged with war crimes at the conclusion of the war for having done so. What happens if Russia/Russians are charged with war crimes at the end? I can't imagine getting any individuals out of Russia is going to be possible, so just more things to in the stack of things to look at when considering reparations?
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Hirsute posted:This isn't true, RT has journalists reporting from Ukraine. They're probably the only ones allowed though I'd imagine They've also allowed some Chinese journalists to join them at least once near Mariupol evilweasel posted:i could easily imagine russia being more explicit than usual about their intention to shoot journalists tomorrow, and figure it's good to ask rather than assume! how you interpret that statement depends a lot on who is saying "stay away" Sorry, I wasn't explicit - the journalist quoted is Ukranian, from the Donbas, and lives in Kyiv. He's been providing a lot of coverage from the frontlines for The Kyiv Independent, though a lot of the pictures in his articles range from  to  so read at your own risk.
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KitConstantine posted:Judging by the shambolic state of the propaganda for this war that the Russian state has been putting out they might not give a poo poo. Long but good thread about how Russia could turn around their war support propaganda operation - the poster translates Russian propaganda for a living, essentially Can't really comment on how widespread enthusiastic support of the war is among Russians, as sociology in Russia is, indeed, dead. But I can add an interesting point regarding grassroot rallies. Based on many small ultrapatriotic orgs complaining on telegram that they are not allowed to hold their own Z rallies, Russian government doesn't want to risk giving platform to grassroot supporters. They can get off-script, and also a lot of those active supporters are straight-up nazi-adjacent, and nobody in the Kremlin wants that public image for obvious reasons. Everything has to completely align with official messaging.
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https://twitter.com/RichardEngel/status/1506660525106778120 Ukrainians starting to brag about the success of their counter offensive.
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Paladinus posted:Can't really comment on how widespread enthusiastic support of the war is among Russians, as sociology in Russia is, indeed, dead. But I can add an interesting point regarding grassroot rallies. Based on many small ultrapatriotic orgs complaining on telegram that they are not allowed to hold their own Z rallies, Russian government doesn't want to risk giving platform to grassroot supporters. They can get off-script, and also a lot of those active supporters are straight-up nazi-adjacent, and nobody in the Kremlin wants that public image for obvious reasons. Everything has to completely align with official messaging. It's crazy that anyone is even trying to manage the image of this. It feels 20% of the people in charge are still desperately trying to do a good job with the poo poo they've been given when everyone else has realised that nothing matters. What would happen if there were images of Nazis at the Z rallies in Russia? Those images would never appear in their censored media. Would those images have any impact in the west vs images of maternity hospitals being bombed? Not really!
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On west supposedly running out of weapons, as some were worried yesterday: https://twitter.com/fridhkleberg/status/1506661639323541504
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Saoshyant posted:https://twitter.com/MrKovalenko/status/1506468626483879938 I can believe this sorta luka is playing with fire and settled on “Russia might be hosed, gonna wait it out plus my population will revolt if I invade.” If putin has him killed and puts some moron yes man in charge. I think Belarus turns against Russia hard and Russia has another quagmire.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:On west supposedly running out of weapons, as some were worried yesterday: Another batch of AT4's and also some mine clearing equipment, according to Swedish media. I don't think we have enough NLAW's to spare, sadly.
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Seems like a really bad idea to depose Lukashenko when you're staging a huge chunk of your campaign from Belarus. Who knows how that would shake out.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:I can believe this sorta luka is playing with fire and settled on “Russia might be hosed, gonna wait it out plus my population will revolt if I invade.” If putin has him killed and puts some moron yes man in charge. I think Belarus turns against Russia hard and Russia has another quagmire. I have to wonder if the Poles are also threatening to gently caress him up if he invades Ukraine anywhere near their border.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Not sure about others, but Latvia is blocking HTTP traffic explicitly. Just tested, italy going to rt.com: - work laptop using ISP DNS resolvers will get a 404 or italian police warning about illegal sites - home desktop using cloudflare will grab the site without any issue Edit: UN general assembly emergency meeting live stream https://youtu.be/iYqvFU5S1u4 SlowBloke fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Mar 23, 2022 |
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Chalks posted:It's crazy that anyone is even trying to manage the image of this. It feels 20% of the people in charge are still desperately trying to do a good job with the poo poo they've been given when everyone else has realised that nothing matters. Everyone knows people read other media, too. Even most fervent Putin's supporters are very pragmatic, and want to know when to buy sugar or dollars, so most people in Russia actually get their news from the internet, and now also use VPN. With maternity wards and other things you can easily lie that it was the Ukrainian nazis who did it. When there are guys in the streets with red flags with white circles with one or another black logo in it (there's more than one group with such flags), it's a PR nightmare. That's why seemingly patriotic Russian Marches that nationalists organised on November 4 were banned and many organisers were either arrested or agreed to tone the nazi stuff down a bit. Paladinus fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Mar 23, 2022 |
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Paladinus posted:He's a People's Front guy. It's a conservative nationalist party that was very popular right after Maidan, but lost all support very soon after. They supported a military resolution to the Donbass crisis, but unlike other more radical nationalists supported NATO and EU membership for Ukraine. Thanks, that's actually quite interesting especially the long and inconsistent history of political affiliations and positions. Bit shady. Most likely just didn't want to pay taxes on all his cash as he fleed the country. But it seems likely some of that may be ill-gotten gains? Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:vietnam suffered horrible civilian losses without widespread international support AND while the united states was on the tail end of a long period of global economic and cultural dominance. like while vietnam was fighting for independence, the country brutalizing them was also sending people to the literal moon Vietnam was also fighting a civil war against itself, with the other, richer side having total American support including huge numbers of drafted troops, air superiority, and overall technological and material superiority. Although not popular support. The north did have support from the Russians, but mostly it was pure determination and belief, as well as knowledge of the land and the aforementioned popular support among the people where they were fighting. Deteriorata posted:Another dawn is breaking in Kyiv, and it's still Ukrainian.  Kestral posted:I've been wondering about the bolded part in particular over the last week or so. Not intending to call out Sodomy Hussein here, but I saw this post and it made me wonder if that's going to be the case, and I'd be interested in a discussion on it, since it seems to be a fairly widely held belief. My assumption has been that eventually we're going to see Russia reconnect with the rest of the world, with a progression something like (but almost certainly not exactly like): I actually agree with you that it's far from a foregone conclusion. Some posters also made good counter-arguments that were very plausible. I think it will depend pretty much in full though on how and if this war ends anytime soon, what happens with Putin, and future domestic opinion in relevant countries. It's something exceedingly hard to predict with precision. OAquinas posted:Sounds like Putin is putting his US plans into action on Russia. A truly foregone conclusion because it's been that already for a long time. With the thinnest possible coat of paint Play fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Mar 23, 2022 |
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cinci zoo sniper posted:On west supposedly running out of weapons, as some were worried yesterday: Bra för fan!
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Paladinus posted:Everyone knows people read other media, too. Even most fervent Putin's supporters are very pragmatic, and want to know when to buy sugar or dollars, so most people in Russia actually get their news from the internet, and now also use VPN. Is there that much overlap between people actively seeking western media via VPN and people who buy that all the coverage of Russian atrocities is a hoax?
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This is what I get when trying to access RT.com New Jersey, via Verizon
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Rinkles posted:This is what I get when trying to access RT.com Their website is behind DDoS Guard, which is basically a Russian Cloudflare analogue. It's very likely that the mitigation gear is set to deny requests from non-RU or non-RU friendly country IPs due to being targeted quite a bit over the past few weeks.
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Chalks posted:Is there that much overlap between people actively seeking western media via VPN and people who buy that all the coverage of Russian atrocities is a hoax? You'd be surprised. A lot of people really depended on Instagram for doing business, and many unofficial pro-Putin content creators were active on twitter and youtube. Now instead of migrating to VK and Yandex platforms, they simply use VPN not lose their audience. And so do most of their audience. When VK and some other popular Russian social media got banned in Ukraine, things went smoother, because not many people depended on those platforms for business needs, and even then a huge chunk of people, even those who supported Maidan, still continued to use them with VPN, because that's where many of their favourite artists, relatives, friends, and communities were. It did almost completely wiped out all future new users, but the existing audience was maybe only halved. Paladinus fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Mar 23, 2022 |
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mobby_6kl posted:Well Putin says a lot of stupid poo poo. There's no doubt this is what they tried to do and failed, but I'm wondering if the actual core objective wasn't always just capturing the border regions and land bridge (as everyone else expected them to). I mean otherwise it's just mind-bogglingly stupid, yeah Please stop groping about in the dark and read these official releases from the Russian government: First, in Putin's own words, "On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians", posted on June 12nd 2021, in which Putin uses openly fascist language to claim that Ukraine (and Belarus) not being ruled from the Kremlin is a historical wrong and a crime. Note that this is the official translation by Kremlin. Then, on RIA Novosti, an official Kremlin wire service, Наступление России и нового мира (translated: The Advance of Russia and the New World Order), on February 26 2022 at 8:00 AM, in which a Kremlin spokesperson adulates Putin for "solving the Ukrainian question for all time". This was pulled down very soon after being published, but not before a bunch of other Russian official outlets had also ran it. It reads like a victory speech, and if the leaked Russian offensive plans are correct, it was probably meant to go up on the morning after the capture of Kyiv. If you don't want to do it, that's okay, I understand not wanting to read ~8000 words of fascist propaganda. But please do not doubt what their core objective was when first Putin himself publishes a fascist creed on how the Ukrainians are not a real people, they are just misguided Russians who yearn to return to the motherland, and then his toadie publishes a victory lap essay where he congratulates Putin for unifying Russia, Ukraine and Belarus. Choice quotes: Vladimir Putin posted:I am confident that true sovereignty of Ukraine is possible only in partnership with Russia. Our spiritual, human and civilizational ties formed for centuries and have their origins in the same sources, they have been hardened by common trials, achievements and victories. Our kinship has been transmitted from generation to generation. It is in the hearts and the memory of people living in modern Russia and Ukraine, in the blood ties that unite millions of our families. Together we have always been and will be many times stronger and more successful. For we are one people. Petr Akopov posted:Russia is restoring its unity – the tragedy of 1991, this terrible catastrophe in our history, its unnatural dislocation, has been overcome. Yes, at a great cost, yes, through the tragic events of a virtual civil war, because now brothers, separated by belonging to the Russian and Ukrainian armies, are still shooting at each other, but there will be no more Ukraine as anti-Russia. Russia is restoring its historical fullness, gathering the Russian world, the Russian people together – in its entirety of Great Russians, Belarusians and Little Russians. If we had abandoned this, if we had allowed the temporary division to take hold for centuries, then we would not only betray the memory of our ancestors, but would also be cursed by our descendants for allowing the disintegration of the Russian land.
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