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Thread on Russian repressions in occupied territories: https://twitter.com/mattia_n/status/1507414083313836033 KitConstantine posted:Anyone else seen anything more about this? It's from Politico Europe's chief Brussels correspondent so I don't think it's complete fiction LeFigaro has it, I can't seem to find an individual link though --- it's one of those scrolling update thingies; on https://www.lefigaro.fr/international/direct-guerre-en-ukraine-joe-biden-en-pologne-ce-vendredi-pres-de-la-frontiere-ukrainienne-20220325 Quoting: quote:Emmanuel Macron va lancer une «opération humanitaire exceptionnelle» à Marioupol avec la Grèce et la Turquie Sounds like this hasn't quite been discussed with Putin yet, but my French is very rusty. Ukrainian story based on this: https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2022/03/25/7334584/ OddObserver fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Mar 25, 2022 |
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The current German defense minister is even more incompetent than her precedessors in the last 20 years - which says something as they include a certain nobel from Bavaria and Ursula von der Leyen. There is a long list of stupid stuff she did in her 4 month tenure here (in German): https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten...-fettnapf-.html
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OddObserver posted:Thread on Russian repressions in occupied territories: drat, that's some quality liberation material in there. https://twitter.com/AKurkov/status/1506620167853416451 GaussianCopula posted:The current German defense minister is even more incompetent than her precedessors in the last 20 years - which says something as they include a certain nobel from Bavaria and Ursula von der Leyen. To be fair, that tweets does look drastically different when we tally up total assistance rendered to Ukraine.
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MikeC posted:I would say this view is still people overestimating the Ukranian's capacity for offense and still writing off the Russians as totally incompetent. There are no signs of Russian collapse in that area. By the Ukrainian's own admission, the fighting has very hard and not every attack they make is successful. This doesn't even take into consideration that the Ukrainian military risks greater losses by performing offensive operations, as opposed to what they've been doing. Ukrainian leaders have to make very careful calculations about how aggressive they can afford to be in any counter-offensive and how that could potentially be disastrous to defending the territory they've denied the Russians if they (UKR) suffers greater than expected losses. While they may not have suffered the same amount of casualties, they still have very limited reserves to pull from, as well as limits on material and vehicles.
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Der Kyhe posted:This is at least a contender for Napoleon's business trip to Russia. Only difference being that Napoleon had actually built an empire before committing his folly. And like Putin, without getting most of their army killed there would have been no real reason why that empire should have been toppled any time soon.  The gray indicates the Grande Armée on the way to Moscow. The black indicates it on the way back. The width of the lines indicates the number of men left in the army.
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with a rebel yell she QQd posted:Zelensky asked Orban to finally decide on whose side he is. Putin: Heh their leader has a history of working in acting and screenwriting, what possible threat can he be lol? 
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The aid received by Ukraine from Germany since 2014 is in the low billions of Euros, though hard to precisely tally up. You can't know the direct military aid numbers yet, and a lot of the support is in boring poo poo like training and logistics and happened before the 2022 war. Everything after February 24th is a blur and won't be known publicly for a while. Anyone quoting a concrete number is lying.
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CommieGIR posted:https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/1507422853368528923?s=20&t=PunaaO-K18ZQeZhQHdU89A I hope that when this war is over, someone publishes a picture book of all the destroyed tanks 
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Occupation does seem like it'll go over exceptionally well and easily. Hearts and minds and all that.
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 https://twitter.com/den_2042/status/1507460724460818 438 Dead civilians. Just delete the space between 8 and 4. Clearly Azov deep false flag attack. 
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Marshal Prolapse posted:
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Already deleted tweet. It's not if you follow the instructions, but it's very grim.
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Regarding estimates of the number of refugees: even with a 90-day visa-free policy, wouldn't Ukranians still need to pass through immigration into the Schengen zone, and any aberration in the typical number of Schengen visitors from UA could be used as a rough proxy for the number of refugees? Or have the borders been effectively thrown wide open and so this data isn't being collected as it normally would?
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Marshal Prolapse posted:
Wasn't there a report saying that the local authorities don't have the ability to do anything about the dead currently and to just put them out on the balconies?
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Already deleted tweet. I did the space thing, since I’m on awful app and it always seems to embed otherwise. Djarum posted:Wasn't there a report saying that the local authorities don't have the ability to do anything about the dead currently and to just put them out on the balconies? I heard mostly mass graves, but that does sound possible, especially if the goal is to prevent water contamination. Although I recall that dead bodies are bad more for morale, then as a disease vector, at least in context to a lot of reported issues.
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idempodunk posted:Regarding estimates of the number of refugees: even with a 90-day visa-free policy, wouldn't Ukranians still need to pass through immigration into the Schengen zone, and any aberration in the typical number of Schengen visitors from UA could be used as a rough proxy for the number of refugees? Or have the borders been effectively thrown wide open and so this data isn't being collected as it normally would? The Polish government site (updated 28th February) mentions you still need either a passport (+valid visa if applicable, though I'm unsure on the necessity of visas), or any document confirming identification - but in the latter case there's a 15 day period for you to regulate your stay and get temporary stay status. So I'm guessing at least the Polish-Ukrainian border is processed enough to get accurate data.
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This is neither gonzo nor on the Western front. It's unrelentingly brutal and gritty, while being set in Belarus.
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We know rough numbers of people entering Schengen. Poland for example reports 2.3ish million people. Everything behind the border is impossible to say with accuracy, because, well, Schengen.
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idempodunk posted:Regarding estimates of the number of refugees: even with a 90-day visa-free policy, wouldn't Ukranians still need to pass through immigration into the Schengen zone, and any aberration in the typical number of Schengen visitors from UA could be used as a rough proxy for the number of refugees? Or have the borders been effectively thrown wide open and so this data isn't being collected as it normally would? Normally you need a biometric passport but I've heart at least Slovakia letting people in without a passport at all Bremen posted:It's not if you follow the instructions, but it's very grim.
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Grouchio posted:I take it Biden finished his meeting with Poland? He’s stying overnight in Warsaw and has a full day tomorrow, including a stadium speech.
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Someone in Hollywood should respond to Putin's request by making an American version of Haytarma
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Marshal Prolapse posted:I heard mostly mass graves, but that does sound possible, especially if the goal is to prevent water contamination. Although I recall that dead bodies are bad more for morale, then as a disease vector, at least in context to a lot of reported issues. From what I recall from what I THINK was an article written by the last Western journalist out of Mariupol, it's not exactly that there's no ability to bury bodies - more that any attempt to do so risks getting shelled by on-going Russian artillery so city authorities advised not trying to do so.
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spacetoaster posted:I've been able to call the center they're living at every day, speak English to a receptionist, and be connected to their room immediately. ask the people at the center, they should know how to get you into contact with some psychologists / Seelsorger / etc who can help you figure this out
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Antigravitas posted:Greece and Turkey acting in concert? Greece has a very active interest in Mariupol due to its large Greek population and turkey has an active interest in anything that prevents Russia from strengthening its position in the Black Sea. Plus France and turkey being the only non-US/UK nato members with legit militaries.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:Greece has a very active interest in Mariupol due to its large Greek population and turkey has an active interest in anything that prevents Russia from strengthening its position in the Black Sea. Plus France and turkey being the only non-US/UK nato members with legit militaries. How are they going to sail through the Strait of Kerch?
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About thatTagesschau posted:France is planning a humanitarian operation with Turkey and Greece to evacuate people from the heavily contested eastern Ukrainian port city of Mariupol at short notice. This was announced by President Emmanuel Macron after the EU summit in Brussels. There were already concrete talks with the mayor of Mariupol and coordination with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Selensky. Consultation is also necessary with Russia, whose troops have been besieging the city for weeks. So it's a real thing, but there's a problem.
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Bremen posted:It's not if you follow the instructions, but it's very grim. Marshal Prolapse posted:I did the space thing, since I’m on awful app and it always seems to embed otherwise. Oh, I apologise, I’m blind. You’re correct, mobile app will embed in break with the convention.
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steinrokkan posted:How are they going to sail through the Strait of Kerch? Very carefully
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 While Germany gets most of the flak for dependency on Russian gas, its not the only country in the EU dependent on that gas. In fact other countries need that gas even more as a percentage of their energy imports and are in an even tougher spot of having infrastructure for getting it from another source or replacing it with other energy sources. Edit: The data source of the graph is missing data for some countries, so those showing 0% Russian gas can be wrong. Austria gets roughly 80% of its imported gas from Russia; Ukraine probably roughly 100%. DTurtle fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Mar 26, 2022 |
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Mokotow posted:He’s stying overnight in Warsaw and has a full day tomorrow, including a stadium speech.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Oh, I apologise, I’m blind. You’re correct, mobile app will embed in break with the convention. No worries, at least it’s confirming to me it didn’t embed.  So un/related could Georgia decide to just retake its poo poo and pull it off?
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DTurtle posted:
What is this "other source" that Ukraine is using. Also lol Hungary. Grouchio posted:Okay. Do you think he'll tell Poland to wait until after the war's over to do their own peacekeeping mission? I'd love to stop worrying about that. No
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DTurtle posted:While Germany gets most of the flak for dependency on Russian gas, its not the only country in the EU dependent on that gas. In fact other countries need that gas even more as a percentage of their energy imports and are in an even tougher spot of having infrastructure for getting it from another source or replacing it with other energy sources. Germany gets poo poo for it because they doubled-down on the Russian gas, despite being warned for years about it being a national security issue, and despite Crimea 2014. Russia's reward for Crimea was Nordstream 2.
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DTurtle posted:
Ukraine does get its gas from the Russian pipeline, not sure why that's not in the chart. It's a big reason they still maintain and fix it while in an active war with a nation making money off it. Blowing it up will 1) Piss off EU, 2) Screw them even more as they also need the gas.
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DTurtle posted:
It's the combination of being the leading power in the EU, policy choices over the last 30 years and sustained siding with Russia on everything that makes Germany so toxic. Not to mention ineptitude and the mentality of leaving its defense to others and looking down on them for it. Not to mention trying to be the leading moral institution of the world while doing lots of business with every murderous dictatorship that exists. I'll believe that they change course on Russia when their sustained actions support it for five years. Right now I'd be too worried that 60% of that country are just waiting for a chance to remove all sanctions and go back to business as usual.
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Djarum posted:Wasn't there a report saying that the local authorities don't have the ability to do anything about the dead currently and to just put them out on the balconies? It was poetry by an artist trapped in Mariupol, contemplating the likelihood of her impending death.
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mobby_6kl posted:What is this "other source" that Ukraine is using. Wouldn't that be its own gas production?
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