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steinrokkan posted:There is no decorum to break down, the Russians have abandoned all pretenses of normal diplomacy long ago. Nobody cares when politicians "threaten" Assad either. Its not decorum, its not giving sound bytes to the Russian propaganda machine to feed the true believers stuff that cannot be refuted. Putin isn't an evil wizards whose death releases the country from his grip, the west needs to convince also the middle managers of evil and pacify the masses of idiots to whom Putin was a god.
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Der Kyhe posted:Its not decorum, its not giving sound bytes to the Russian propaganda machine to feed the true believers stuff that cannot be refuted. Putin isn't an evil wizards whose death releases the country from his grip, the west needs to convince also the middle managers of evil and pacify the masses of idiots to whom Putin was a god. Russian propaganda doesn't give a poo poo about what Joe says, they are going to report he sacrificed a baby on TV to receive powers from Satan to hex Russia no matter what. And professional Russian diplomats don't give a poo poo what Joe says to engage the rubes because they are professionals.
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Der Kyhe posted:Its not decorum, its not giving sound bytes to the Russian propaganda machine to feed the true believers stuff that cannot be refuted. Putin isn't an evil wizards whose death releases the country from his grip, the west needs to convince also the middle managers of evil and pacify the masses of idiots to whom Putin was a god. Russian propaganda makes its own soundbitew, so to speak. Decorum is not helping back at home, and it doesn’t exert any pressure on Putin or his cronies. These are bullies who only understand threats, and acting as if these were still the days of the great diplomacy game misses the fact that these people are downright nasty and only influenced by strong language.
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In this specific situation, there's no direct downside to calling for Putin's removal. Putin is already interfering in other countries' elections, invading, and I'm pretty sure there have been business and diplomatic agreements that have been broken or strained. But it makes life easier to have a rule that the US will not ever call for regime change. Now there's a line somewhere. If we're calling for change in Russia, why not China or North Korea? Hungary? The reason not to is not because their leaders are morally better, its because their leaders have more respect for international boundaries, so good luck explaining that distinction on talk radio.
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William Bear posted:Wow, I knew it was expensive, but I just looked it up. They're not 500k, they're ~200 for tube and missile
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Der Kyhe posted:"We will no longer negotiate with Putin regime and keep piling sanctions until Russia does something to fix it's international relations" vs. "We want Putin gone (wink wink)" Sigh. We can agree to disagree. I’ve been of the opinion for awhile that if NATO and the EU want Putin to take them seriously at all, direct threats… or at least the implication of threats are necessary. For example the Biden administration statement last week that it will respond to a chemical, biological, or nuclear attack while keeping it vague enough for Putin to have to worry NATO will directly intervene with military measures was well over due. And frankly, Putin is a fascist and a war criminal. There is nothing wrong with saying the West wants him gone. It’s not like Biden G.W. Bush’d this and said, “sanctions upon Russia forever unless Putin is deposed.” But let’s not obfuscate the truth here—the world (including Russia) would be better off if the man tripped and fell out of fourth story window that doesn’t actually open.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:No the war criminal comment was not walked back on. Personally as much as I disagree with this. It’s probably the right move, that being said no one will actually remember the White House staffers addendum because all the networks are reporting the “Biden tells putin to sit on plunger and spin” tone rather then rear end covering. Right now at least. Funnily enough, the right having an existing narrative of Biden being a senile old fool prone to gaffes like this is probably gonna help correct the news cycle. Like, this is the Fox headline right now: "OPERATION CLEANUP: White House immediately forced to walk back explosive comment Biden made about Putin" https://www.foxnews.com/
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Imo putin should be removed from power.
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PerilPastry posted:Funnily enough, the right having an existing narrative of Biden being a senile old fool prone to gaffes like this is probably gonna help correct the news cycle. Fox and chuds will gurgle out their own lines. They have a loving Russian assets on staff so gently caress em. CNN is finally reporting it now it’s more focusing on the speech as whole. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Mar 26, 2022 |
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ZombieLenin posted:Sigh. We can agree to disagree. I’ve been of the opinion for awhile that if NATO and the EU want Putin to take them seriously at all, direct threats… or at least the implication of threats are necessary. I will take this deal and end this derail about international diplomacy and mass media appearances here. Edit: Although it seems that I need to add this one to say that I am not in favor of keeping Putin, or any of his cronies, and I really would prefer him to pick the bunker and the pistol already where does the needful. Der Kyhe fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Mar 26, 2022 |
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Oh my God they want to get rid of the fascist how terrifying Comrade Biden wants to restart the Soviet union! I mean Putin is a great guy you gotta hand it to him he made Russia again and protected the border. The Russian empire has to lose 50,000 people a year to military venture minimum as a taxes
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Very interesting that Russia seems to be unwilling to ban YouTube.  https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1507789249550168077 Edit: People keep replying to this so let me clear up that I’m being sarcastic. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Mar 26, 2022 |
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Imo putin should be removed from power. Imo Russia should stop doing bad things and I don't give a poo poo who's in power. Diplomacy should be based on behavior, not personalities.
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That stuff can be enough to get some oligarchs and/or generals having a conversation similar to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Very interesting that Russia seems to be unwilling to ban YouTube. How else are their conscripts supposed to learn how to drive their 50-year-old tanks and IFVs?
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PerilPastry posted:Funnily enough, the right having an existing narrative of Biden being a senile old fool prone to gaffes like this is probably gonna help correct the news cycle. Which was why someone walking it back immediately was stupid. If you are going to walk it back you do it after you let it marinate for a bit and see how it plays. This accomplished nothing now.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Very interesting that Russia seems to be unwilling to ban YouTube. It’s either to big in Russia and/or it’s about them trying to fund various channels.
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Djarum posted:Which was why someone walking it back immediately was stupid. If you are going to walk it back you do it after you let it marinate for a bit and see how it plays. This accomplished nothing now. Yeah. I get why they did but my guess is they loving panicked because they are afraid this will escalate poo poo or international decorum which I get but give it a day and do it quietly.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Very interesting that Russia seems to be unwilling to ban YouTube. Their military would lose access to all classic vehicle repair videos.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:It’s either to big in Russia and/or it’s about them trying to fund various channels. I'm not actually confused, to be clear, it's both. It's just really amusing to watch RKN "YouTube, you better watch out, or else you'll have to watch out in the future".
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Very interesting that Russia seems to be unwilling to ban YouTube. It's likely that they can't ban Youtube without losing access to most of Google and the web in general.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:Yeah. I get why they did but my guess is they loving panicked because they are afraid this will escalate poo poo or international decorum which I get but give it a day and do it quietly. Whomever jumped the gun there is either going to be in the doghouse for a long while or unemployed when they get back to the US. If I had to guess it was likely a State Dept. non-political person who made the statement. I can't imagine a political operative that has enough experience to get to the White House being that stupid.
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The Russian 'pranksters' released the video call to UK Home Secretary Priti Patel. https://twitter.com/wyattreed13/status/1507573674861289472 e: Full 15 minute video on youtube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOrwZBFukyw fuctifino fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Mar 26, 2022 |
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Djarum posted:Whomever jumped the gun there is either going to be in the doghouse for a long while or unemployed when they get back to the US. If I had to guess it was likely a State Dept. non-political person who made the statement. I can't imagine a political operative that has enough experience to get to the White House being that stupid. Correcting it immediately rather than allowing his fuckup to fester for an entire news cycle means they can handle it as a case of clarification/Biden misspeaking rather than trying to turn the tanker of an entire press corps utterly convinced that ousting Putin is now official US policy. fuctifino posted:The Russian 'pranksters' released the video call to UK Home Secretary Priti Patel.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I'm not actually confused, to be clear, it's both. It's just really amusing to watch RKN "YouTube, you better watch out, or else you'll have to watch out in the future". I work for a state government in the US and this is exactly how we monitor the recipients of state funds to run certain programs. “Oh, you hosed up. We are putting you on a corrective action plan and if you don’t fix what you hosed up, you better watch out! We will monitor you again and put you on another corrective action plan.” And then when you say to your bosses, can we just stop giving these guys money…? The response you get is either: 1. No those guys are connecting to the governor. They gave a lot to his campaign; or 2. No because if we stop giving them money who will provide that service to that area? ZombieLenin fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Mar 26, 2022 |
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PerilPastry posted:Correcting it immediately rather than allowing his fuckup to fester for an entire news cycle means they can handle it as a case of clarification/Biden misspeaking rather than trying to turn the tanker of an entire press corps utterly convinced that ousting Putin is now official US policy. As it's Priti Patel (a disgusting excuse of a human being) i'll just let it slide tbh.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Very interesting that Russia seems to be unwilling to ban YouTube. Dapper_Swindler posted:It’s either to big in Russia and/or it’s about them trying to fund various channels. It's big, one journalist who was running an independent news station said that they cant shut down Youtube cause it's so huge, everyone uses it families watch Masha and bear there and that's the only example that I remember, cause my kids also watched Masha and bear, there's also buttload other Russian kids cartoons there. My partner is of Russian ethnicity and most of her family lives in Russia nowadays and she says the same thing, it's just too big. It's the same deal with WhatsApp, even Meta is banned there WhatsApp still works.
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StumblyWumbly posted:In this specific situation, there's no direct downside to calling for Putin's removal. Putin is already interfering in other countries' elections, invading, and I'm pretty sure there have been business and diplomatic agreements that have been broken or strained. Trump called for regime change in venezuela a few years back, including recognizing some semicredible opposition figure as the legitimate head-of-state. Though that didn't work or help, and it wouldn't in russia either
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William Bear posted:Wow, I knew it was expensive, but I just looked it up. The Russian tanks that they're fighting are about $2 million to $5 million dollars, maybe more with upgrades and retrofits, so it's definitely worth it.
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fuctifino posted:The Russian 'pranksters' released the video call to UK Home Secretary Priti Patel. The second part is wrong. Англичанка гадит is an old Russian saying. It basically means 'England's messing with our affairs'.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Very interesting that Russia seems to be unwilling to ban YouTube. As a household with a small child, Russian language children's Youtube is on quite a bit, just because of the algorithm. It would be a shame to lose all that marketshare.
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PerilPastry posted:Correcting it immediately rather than allowing his fuckup to fester for an entire news cycle means they can handle it as a case of clarification/Biden misspeaking rather than trying to turn the tanker of an entire press corps utterly convinced that ousting Putin is now official US policy. Johnson's cabinet in general, and Patel in particular, was chosen for being dumb, spiteful and cultishly devoted to the Brexit myth, not because they were savvy political operators.
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ummel posted:That UK secretary is going to have a hard time shaking this off, oof She's already on shortlists of top dumbest and most hateful politicians in europe, this won't hurt her repution any.
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NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:Johnson's cabinet in general, and Patel in particular, was chosen for being dumb, spiteful and cultishly devoted to the Brexit myth, not because they were savvy political operators. Patel in particular was chosen to be Home Secretary because she is extremely opposed to immigration, which is probably one of the reasons the UK has been so shamefully bad about taking in Ukrainian refugees.
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Captain Kosmos posted:It's big, one journalist who was running an independent news station said that they cant shut down Youtube cause it's so huge, everyone uses it families watch Masha and bear there and that's the only example that I remember, cause my kids also watched Masha and bear, there's also buttload other Russian kids cartoons there. My partner is of Russian ethnicity and most of her family lives in Russia nowadays and she says the same thing, it's just too big. It's the same deal with WhatsApp, even Meta is banned there WhatsApp still works. Masha & the bear is literally subliminal Soviet propaganda - look at the ribbons and medals hanging on the bear's wall. Being Eastern European, that cartoon also shows up for my kid on the feed but burn it in the loving fire.
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Sir John Falstaff posted:Patel in particular was chosen to be Home Secretary because she is extremely opposed to immigration, which is probably one of the reasons the UK has been so shamefully bad about taking in Ukrainian refugees. Indeed. For those not in the know, Patel goes on immigration raids in her spare time to cheer herself up, and spent some money on her hobby by having special police vest made up that says HOME SECRETARY on it. She also says she'd deport her own parents if they arrived now. People have said she has a genuine pathological need to say or do the harshest thing she can think of in any situation. She is genuinely not normal.
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This is a pretty bold claim: https://english.nv.ua/nation/ukraine-retaking-kherson-is-imminent-says-official-50228603.html quote:Ukraine’s Armed Forces may liberate and retake Kherson by the end of the day, adviser to the country’s defense minister Markiyan Lubkivskyi told BBC Radio 4 on March 26. If that happens, Russian forces are in even worse state than I thought or they've all but abandoned Kherson. I haven't seen any news indicating such an event, so it will be interesting to see what the situation is tomorrow.
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Russia tried funding homegrown alternative to Youtube, Rutube, but, as usual, most of investment was swindled and the result is horribly slow and unpopular service that even "patriots" dont give poo poo about. We are held back from falling into totalitarian state purely thanks to incompetence of our overlords https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1507813380245053441 Kadyrov scum keep making ridiculous videos of shooting into the air far from any real action. lovely tuna snatch posted:Masha & the bear is literally subliminal Soviet propaganda - look at the ribbons and medals hanging on the bear's wall. Being Eastern European, that cartoon also shows up for my kid on the feed but burn it in the loving fire. The creator was very enthusiastically pro-current war IIRC fatherboxx fucked around with this message at 21:41 on Mar 26, 2022 |
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Young Freud posted:The Russian tanks that they're fighting are about $2 million to $5 million dollars, maybe more with upgrades and retrofits, so it's definitely worth it. Even at a much worse conversion rate it's still a bad deal for Russia. Russia can't afford to go dollar for dollar with even just the US, let alone all of NATO.
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