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Its not a requirement they look exactly like a tank and its likely and drone tank will be smaller than a regular tank but the armor, weapon, engine, etc requirements are likely going to force it to be fairly decent sized at least give it similar looks to a tank. Already posted this but this sort've what they're likely to end up looking like and weighing. Lots smaller than a regular tank but still fairly big and heavy.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:How can the tank get cool air to the troops if it's covered in more than one or two molotovs. it's going to get hot in there. Especially if you add more Molotov There was a somewhat long and ... heated ... discussion about Molotov cocktails in the TFR Cold War/Air Power thread. Apparently the Swedes did some extensive and publicly documented testing about their effectiveness. I'll quote the post by "The Fluff" about those tests: TheFluff posted:Anyway, Murgos asked for the report so I'll deliver. The Swedish army testing of napalm against tanks was done in the early 1950's as a response to reports out of Korea where napalm was apparently being widely used and hailed as very effective. There were some unconfirmed rumors about napalm suffocating tank crews and they wanted to verify if this was true or not, if napalm was an effective anti-tank weapon, and if tanks needed additional protection against napalm. So, they tested it, and mostly in very large quantities - the smallest napalm charge they tested was 2,5 liters, which is bigger than most bottles you'd be able to use for molotov cocktails, and the biggest was 2x400 liter bombs dropped from an aircraft. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpiGLA9BKWc
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DTurtle posted:There was a somewhat long and ... heated ... discussion about Molotov cocktails in the TFR Cold War/Air Power thread. Apparently the Swedes did some extensive and publicly documented testing about their effectiveness. I'll quote the post by "The Fluff" about those tests: Great post and sources!
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# ? Mar 29, 2022 10:44 |
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DickEmery posted:Surely if it's an unmanned drone being tank shaped isn't an actual requirement? If the actual requirement is "apply explosives to enemy", the Ukrainians are already there with small drones that drop mortar shells.
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# ? Mar 29, 2022 10:49 |
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https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1508398726099914756?t=Dbn_UzDAbagUtOXT-w4PTA&s=19 While the GDP(PPP) per capita of Russia is more than double that of Ukraine, their median incomes(PPP) are actually surprisingly close($4416 for Ukraine, $5504 for Russia). Looks like almost all the income from resources extraction in Russia mostly goes to a small group of people and doesn't benefit the population much and Ukraine might have had a similar economic development as Russia, despite being at war for 8 years.
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GABA ghoul posted:https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1508398726099914756?t=Dbn_UzDAbagUtOXT-w4PTA&s=19 Ola posted:If the actual requirement is "apply explosives to enemy", the Ukrainians are already there with small drones that drop mortar shells. The switchblades? Are they on the way? Man I can only imagine the nightmare they would be in an insurgency within the occupied areas.
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GABA ghoul posted:https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1508398726099914756?t=Dbn_UzDAbagUtOXT-w4PTA&s=19 I just assumed that tweet was taking the piss.
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# ? Mar 29, 2022 10:57 |
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A lot of these soldiers are coming from shithole villages in Siberia and the Urals. Someone living in Buryatiya or Kuzbass without gas, water from a well and a toilet being a hole in the ground, will have a much worse quality of life than a burgher from a Ukrainian city
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# ? Mar 29, 2022 11:01 |
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Shows what she knows about Western countries, I'm pretty sure everyone will be able to come up with a list pretty quickly. Even without any russian bombs.
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GABA ghoul posted:https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1508398726099914756?t=Dbn_UzDAbagUtOXT-w4PTA&s=19 I don't have an informed opinion on any of that but, come on, this guy is obviously full of poo poo.
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# ? Mar 29, 2022 11:03 |
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mobby_6kl posted:
We can do the 1323 border with Russia easily EDIT: Also all the people complaining about petrol prices would end up on the Russian side so they win as well. uncleTomOfFinland fucked around with this message at 11:09 on Mar 29, 2022 |
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mobby_6kl posted:
I'd give them Queensland in a heartbeat.
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mobby_6kl posted:
Florida, immediately. The threat of ending up with Florida as part of a peace deal is almost as much of a deterrent against invasion as nuclear weapons.
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mobby_6kl posted:
Florida, Alabama, hell most of the south, and as someone in Chicago, almost all of Illinois. Including all of the suburbs.
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raifield posted:Florida, immediately. The threat of ending up with Florida as part of a peace deal is almost as much of a deterrent against invasion as nuclear weapons. Sir, warcrimes are expressly forbidden under the Geneva convention!!
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GABA ghoul posted:While the GDP(PPP) per capita of Russia is more than double that of Ukraine, their median incomes(PPP) are actually surprisingly close($4416 for Ukraine, $5504 for Russia). Looks like almost all the income from resources extraction in Russia mostly goes to a small group of people and doesn't benefit the population much and Ukraine might have had a similar economic development as Russia, despite being at war for 8 years. As I understand it military service has a poor reputation and offers little respect in Russia so anyone who can avoid it do so. Those who do chose to become professional soldiers are disproportionately from rural villages and minorities - the poorest groups from the least developed areas. Now they are fighting around Kharkiv, Kyiv and Mariupol which are probably the best developed areas of Ukraine. Or were in the case of Mariupol.
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# ? Mar 29, 2022 11:20 |
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gay picnic defence posted:I just assumed that tweet was taking the piss. "My sources in the intel community are telling me that the Russians are so enraptured by innovations like "the wheel" and "the secret of man's red fire" that tank crews are increasingly trading in their t-14s for glass beads and copper bells." PeterCat posted:I'm sharing this post from the Milhist thread. It's a commentary on a WW2 US Army film on how to deal with tanks. One thing mentioned is that molotovs do work, though modern AFVs are more resistant to them than the older vehicles. This was a fun watch. Incidentally, the "tanker" here is Dick Purcell. He was the first guy to play Captain America too.
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mobby_6kl posted:
I'm Irish, we did exactly this with the northern quarter of our country a hundred years ago. Results have been mixed.
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PerilPastry posted:I don't have an informed opinion on any of that but, come on, this guy is obviously full of poo poo. It does seem to check out with the official numbers though and I'm surprised how wealthy Ukraine is myself. The PPP mean wage is really that close to Russia's while Russia has a much steeper wealth devide between Moscow and the imperial periphery. Also holy poo poo, 5.8% of the Russian population still use outhouses/ditches with no piping according to official government statistics. How much does some pipes and a septic tank cost?
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# ? Mar 29, 2022 11:32 |
BigRoman posted:I'm genuinely curious. Are there any recent, reputable polls that indicate how popular the LNR & DNR are? Would there be a partisan movement in Luhansk or Donetsk absent Russian support? That said, I agree that the idea of Ukraine taking back Crimea is a pipe dream absent something crazy like the complete collapse of Russia. There absolutely wouldn’t. LNR and DNR came to be via Russian FSB operative taking some Russia troops and Crimean mafia, and using that to elevate local mafia and fascists in Donbas. They got their poo poo kicked in so hard, after everyone was done with them torturing people and filming “badass” cosplay of WW2 Red Army officers, that they had to have Russian army to roll in and bail them out. Something like half to 3/4 of population had fled the affected areas before this episode of war kicked off. Russians don’t like them either, it’s just a convenient cudgel to bludgeon Ukraine with. BigRoman posted:I seriously doubt that the West can maintain the unity and put in the self sacrifice to keep up the current sanctions against Russia for 10 years. It's a big market with a lot of natural resources. Hell, if Trump gets elected in 2024, its game over for sanctions an unity. It’s “game over” for Russia if sanctions last until 2023, and catastrophe of untold proportions if they stay merely as is until January 2025. The country will barely have any civil aviation by the end of the year, or functioning oil fields by the end of the next. Shibawanko posted:i havent been following. are the russians still losing or have they consolidated now that they apparently decided to focus on the east? The focus so far is stated and we’re only seeing some nominal pullback in north-eastern front. So far they’re still not winning anywhere except Mariupol, which is taking them embarrassingly long time (in perspective of apparent attempts to capture Kharkiv or Kyiv) and comes at an unknown cost, after they bombed city into rubble and drove 2/3 of the population away. Kherson is seemingly contested right now - if Ukraine retakes it, that’s where they will actually start losing. mobby_6kl posted:So you're saying it can be done... Any Ukrainian military action in Crimea is crazy Clancy poo poo. PederP posted:You also use artillery selectively to make sure they don't sleep well and to obfuscate when/if they'll be assaulted. Harassment fire is cheap and effective. The problem with dislodging LDNR frontline is that the area is so small that Russian army can just park artillery on Russian soil and fire away. Reveilled posted:But if hypothetically that changed, if the war was clearly lost and the mood shifted where the populace wanted peace at any price and Zelensky and the Rada were both willing to cede Crimea and the Donbas for peace, the territorial integrity clause of the constitution would not actually stop them from doing so. I don’t think anyone argues such deal is hypothetically impossible. It’s simply not within Zelenskyy’s or Rada’s competence to offer a guarantee for such a deal to hold legal power in Ukraine.
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Somaen posted:A lot of these soldiers are coming from shithole villages in Siberia and the Urals. Someone living in Buryatiya or Kuzbass without gas, water from a well and a toilet being a hole in the ground, will have a much worse quality of life than a burgher from a Ukrainian city Yeah the Russian Federation pretty much stops at Moscow. Once you go further East, there is only Russia. The country is very unevenly deployed. The claim about asphalt is far fetched, but street lights is a very real possibility. I mean some of those things would be true with parts of Poland
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GABA ghoul posted:https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1508398726099914756?t=Dbn_UzDAbagUtOXT-w4PTA&s=19 This sounds like a fanfic.
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Reveilled posted:What I'm arguing is that a constitution only functions to bind a state to the extent that it believes the consequence of a breach to be worse than observance. "I can promise anything on paper, regardless of whether it's actually for me to give away" is what the territorial integrity clause in Ukraine's constitution actually boils down to, it is the state promising not to agree to territorial changes, regardless of whether it's actually possible for a constitution to give that power away. It doesn't actually make a future peace treaty any easier or harder to void. Russia's demands include territorial changes, so even if you would not be interested in such a treaty, it seems the Russians are, and they don't seem to care that such a treaty would violate Ukraine's constitution--If they'd achieved their original war goals, they'd likely have voided the Ukrainian constitution in its entirety. If a country suffers a total loss of a war, then the winning side can just do what they want, no peace negotiations or treaty needed anyway. I'm thinking of a situation where at some point in the future the country that lost the war is governed by rule of law and somebody has to decide whether any territory had been signed away legally or not. If not, then the country can pursue its return. (There are of course practicalities and politics to consider, but in principle.) This makes it less valuable for the winning party.
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Somaen posted:A lot of these soldiers are coming from shithole villages in Siberia and the Urals. Someone living in Buryatiya or Kuzbass without gas, water from a well and a toilet being a hole in the ground, will have a much worse quality of life than a burgher from a Ukrainian city I’ve actually been to Kuzbas, and you’d have to go to some 300 people village in the neck of the woods for that - and that’s not a guarantee. Soviets knew how to deploy infrastructure at scale, and did it it well enough. GABA ghoul posted:Also holy poo poo, 5.8% of the Russian population still use outhouses/ditches with no piping according to official government statistics. How much does some pipes and a septic tank cost? More than you want to spend when making GBS threads in an outhouse with your $200/month income does the job.
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mobby_6kl posted:
United Kingdom immediately hands over Northern Ireland (am from Northern Ireland).
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https://twitter.com/tass_agency/status/1508739518752595970 https://twitter.com/C_Barraud/status/1508733080726556676 Any guesses?
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# ? Mar 29, 2022 11:57 |
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mobby_6kl posted:
Putin can have everything south of Sundsvall.
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Zelenskyj just gave an address to the Danish government. It is a bit weird hearing the president of a country at war go from talking about their enemy committing war crimes and murdering/raping women and children, to 20 seconds later thanking Lego for deciding not to sell toys in Russia for a while.
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ronya posted:https://twitter.com/tass_agency/status/1508739518752595970 Good thing we won, let's go home
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Inferior Third Season posted:Zelenskyj just gave an address to the Danish government. It is a bit weird hearing the president of a country at war go from talking about their enemy committing war crimes and murdering/raping women and children, to 20 seconds later thanking Lego for deciding not to sell toys in Russia for a while. The part about janteloven was also pretty weird. Asking Denmark to be responsible for rebuilding a specific city was a smart move - if Ukraine does the same with other cities and nations, Denmark will immediately consider it the most important thing in the world to do a better job than Sweden, and make sure 'our' city is rebuilt much better than the Swedish one, whatever the cost.
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https://twitter.com/jsuedekum/status/1508751047648497669 "Jens Suedekum, Professor of International Economics, Heinrich-Heine-University Düsseldorf — Advisory Board German Federal Ministry for Economic Affairs"
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GABA ghoul posted:Also holy poo poo, 5.8% of the Russian population still use outhouses/ditches with no piping according to official government statistics. How much does some pipes and a septic tank cost? A lot especially in areas where you have to deal with permafrost.
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GABA ghoul posted:https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1508398726099914756?t=Dbn_UzDAbagUtOXT-w4PTA&s=19 People making GBS threads on this should keep in mind that the Russian army is an army of the poor minorities in Russia ("country bumpkin" is a word frequently used to describe them) and not the middle class who are invading Ukraine along major roadways. When they go looting, they are probably going for middle/upper class parts, so that might add to the distorted view they have.
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Edit: I'm a dumbass please ignore.
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mobby_6kl posted:
Can I give up multiple regions?
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GABA ghoul posted:Also holy poo poo, 5.8% of the Russian population still use outhouses/ditches with no piping according to official government statistics. How much does some pipes and a septic tank cost?
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:Its not a requirement they look exactly like a tank and its likely and drone tank will be smaller than a regular tank but the armor, weapon, engine, etc requirements are likely going to force it to be fairly decent sized at least give it similar looks to a tank. Dahir Insaat has got you covered! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UII0NFypAI
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https://twitter.com/MrKovalenko/status/1508519883780284431?t=4Ln403vRG8sU5c6jv2yR_g&s=19 Took them long enough, now we'll see if they've adequately prepared Russian public opinion for this move. Sanctions chat: Even if Putin is bluffing now, and it's certainly a move that slows the devaluation of the ruble for a few days, I'm pretty sure this Fall/Winter the EU will waver and pressure Ukraine for a settlement, because I really don't expect a lot of EU countries to be able to wean themselves off Russian gas by then.
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A ton of laid off workers, so at least some of them might end up taking the offer from Russian Army.
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