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i dont have that i have sword and shield guy, and big sword guy, and knight, and red mage and regular mage
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Mar 31, 2022 19:23
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The only problem with FFXII combat is that it has the worst superboss in the series.
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Mar 31, 2022 19:24
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Attack while the tri disaster is charging. It's gonna kill you while you're stuck in animation lock.
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Mar 31, 2022 19:26
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Senator Drinksalot posted:Non mage characters don't even get abilities to use to break up the tedium, it's an objectively bad system. The word you're looking for is subjectively, because you are stating your opinion about FFXII, a game that owned. I did all the hardest poo poo and was damned thankful that gambits were there to automate the normal FF tedium away.
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Mar 31, 2022 19:27
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Lotus Aura posted:This is literally, objectively untrue. What do you think technicks are? To be fair, most technicks are worthless. But much like in XIII, the idea is not to perform sweet-rear end super moves every turn, it's to watch and react to the overall flow of battle. Like, whether your guys are hitting something with a sword or spell isn't relevant most of the time. What is relevant is dealing with adds and targeting, different vulnerabilities (both status and elemental), range considerations, changing field effects, avoiding or mitigating attacks, etc. Most of the challenging fights in the game are designed around disrupting easy gambit setups. I challenge you to show me a video of the Cluckatrice hunt done when it becomes first available, at a normal level, on full auto. That fight's about having to target specific adds with specific spells for immobilization to separate opponents and whittle down numbers, while dealing with statuses like petrification and poo poo that might suddenly take out character(s) you have on healing duty, when you still have limited resources for curing statuses and small MP pools. Esper bosses might have field effects that totally change the way the fight goes. Lots of them require strategic balancing between buffing, healing, reviving, and attacking specific targets that change throughout the battle and can't just be easily automated. Even some of the random rare monsters like Disma will show up unexpectedly while exploring and kick your face in while you desperately run for a zone boundary. In the vanilla version, I had more edge-of-my-seat close-rear end wins in FFXII than any other FF game I've played, where by the end I was having to micromanage half the actions my whole party took. It was great, and it was not auto-able.
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Mar 31, 2022 19:28
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Super No Vacancy posted:how to beat tiamat Void Knight's Runic can suck up her Tridisaster and use it to give yourself unlimited mana or throw a big sword beam at her, it rules.
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Mar 31, 2022 19:29
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Super No Vacancy posted:how to beat tiamat Blizzaga repeatedly if you don't have Ultima. Otherwise, Blizzaga and Ultima. If you don't even have Blizzaga then  maybe try blood weapon and a big axe or dragoon jumps. The second phase is honestly just tedious for 99% of setups.
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Mar 31, 2022 19:30
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Schwartzcough posted:In the vanilla version, I had more edge-of-my-seat close-rear end wins in FFXII than any other FF game I've played, where by the end I was having to micromanage half the actions my whole party took. It was great, and it was not auto-able. I still remember accidentally stumbling into Adrammelech and eking out a win! 
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Mar 31, 2022 19:31
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I've only played the remaster, perhaps they took all the nuance out of the game in that
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Mar 31, 2022 19:32
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Ibblebibble posted:Void Knight's Runic can suck up her Tridisaster and use it to give yourself unlimited mana or throw a big sword beam at her, it rules. Evil Fluffy posted:Blizzaga repeatedly if you don't have Ultima. Otherwise, Blizzaga and Ultima. i dont have any of these yet!
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Mar 31, 2022 19:41
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Mage can cast Blizzaga, can't it? Mage is a starting job.
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Mar 31, 2022 19:49
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Super No Vacancy posted:how to beat tiamat Soul Shield her stomps (but watch out for her headbutt combo afterwards - it can be dodged or shielded) and her forward sweeping beam attack. Get inside her circular breath attack for a nice big damage opening. In her second phase, see if you can dodge around Wind Blast and Tri-Disaster to attack her necks, ideally with slashing damage. Purple beam attacks inflict poison, so make absolutely sure you avoid or shield those. Back off whenever she uses Whirlwind or her counter move - it's boring and it'll slow down the fight, but it's just not worth the risk. Remember to use Resonance whenever possible to boost your teammates' damage and aggro gain. In general, slashing and ice damage are your friends, so pick a job that has access to one or both of those. Knight or Red Mage are probably your best bets of the jobs you've got. Apart from anything else, be aggressive - your basic R1 attacks are fast, safe, and cost you nothing. Unless you know there's a risk of your opponent using a fast attack to catch you out, follow up every soul shield by mashing R1 (with the odd R2 during big openings) until you see the next telegraph for an attack, and only back off to catch a breath when your break gauge is getting low enough to make blocking and shielding too risky. Darth Walrus fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Mar 31, 2022 |
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Mar 31, 2022 19:49
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Senator Drinksalot posted:When are any of them more useful than just hasting and hoping for a 12 combo? Well, Haste doesn't affect combo rate for one thing and you can only get a 12-hit combo when you have less than 6% HP left so even without specifics like Souleater straight up outdamaging average output at high HP and also helping set that up for the few that have a high combo-rate, it'd be quite often by default. But of course if all you want is Big Damage Number, then this is all irrelevant and the real thing you do is summon Zeromus, cast Bubble on him and then use a Niho'd Elixir. Big Bang is the most powerful attack in the game and it's not even close. Lotus Aura fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Mar 31, 2022 |
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Mar 31, 2022 19:53
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Darth Walrus posted:Soul Shield her stomps (but watch out for her headbutt combo afterwards - it can be dodged or shielded) and her forward sweeping beam attack. Get inside her circular breath attack for a nice big damage opening. In her second phase, see if you can dodge around Wind Blast and Tri-Disaster to attack her necks, ideally with slashing damage. Back off whenever she uses Whirlwind or her counter move - it's boring and it'll slow down the fight, but it's just not worth the risk. Remember to use Resonance whenever possible to boost your teammates' damage and aggro gain. In general, slashing and ice damage are your friends, so pick a job that has access to one or both of those. Knight or Red Mage are probably your best bets of the jobs you've got. ok thanks
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Mar 31, 2022 19:55
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Senator Drinksalot posted:I've only played the remaster, perhaps they took all the nuance out of the game in that This seems to be a consistent thing with FF remasters so it wouldn't surprise me
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Mar 31, 2022 19:56
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Senator Drinksalot posted:I've only played the remaster, perhaps they took all the nuance out of the game in that They actually added in more in the remaster. It's bad.
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Mar 31, 2022 20:03
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People are free to dislike 12's system but personally found it really relaxing to set up gambits beforehand and watch as they flowed nicely, then taking control directly for the harder fights. Plus none of the other FF games really hit that level of exploration for me where you can be like, 10 levels deep into an optional dungeon you found, with dwindling resources and taking on stuff way stronger than you should be fighting right now with a cool optional boss at the end. If the story hadn't suffered as a result of Matsuno leaving the project it could easily have been my favorite FF game.
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Mar 31, 2022 20:33
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I like XII's combat but it mostly shines when you're punching above your weight. By default it's definitely more about planning than execution which I understand some people aren't going to like. And also by default a lot of the game is pretty easy so you rarely need to change your game plan or improvise that much, which is a shame because there are so many fun ways to do that. Without mods, if you want to have more fun with combat, try taking on hunts and optional espers as soon as they're available. It's almost always possible but it'll take some actual planning, thinking about your gear, and improvising when things always change up mid-fight. If you're on PC, try the Struggle For Freedom mod instead, which both makes the game harder and also rebalances jobs, spells, and weapon types so more things are actually useful and viable. That said if you don't like the idea of a combat system that's more about planning and setup than what you do during the fight no amount of mods will magically make it click for you. (To be fair SFF does tend to lead to being in a "scramble and improvise" situation a lot more than you end up in the base game, but it's still largely about your gambit, job, and gear setups.) Though really the reason I like FFXII is the setting, cast, and (most of) the story, which again I think a lot of people will vehemently insist are bad but eh, I think they're good
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Mar 31, 2022 20:38
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FF12 is basically if you took a RtwP CRPG and removed basically every fun ability they usually steal from DnD so instead of setting up stuff for a bunch of poo poo you're mostly.just going "Use element enemy is vulnerable to otherwise Attack". It just didn't have the depth to really justify the gambit so instead you get a fairly boring version of classic FF with one of the worst menus possible Or another submenu you spend 15 mins in every 3 hours to minimize touching the bad menu.
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Mar 31, 2022 20:41
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Its magic and skill menus are pretty bad lol Really don't know why they keep spell categories a character doesn't even have licenses for in the list. Just clutter at that point
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Mar 31, 2022 20:44
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Soul shield tri-disaster and evade roll out of it for no damage and some mp gain.
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Mar 31, 2022 20:52
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Harrow posted:Its magic and skill menus are pretty bad lol It's got so much in common with the ff11 menu but it's so much more annoying to use in such interesting ways
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Mar 31, 2022 20:57
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Super No Vacancy posted:i dont have any of these yet! Take 5 minutes to level mage enough to unlock Black Mage. Or take 5 seconds if you have enough shards to exchange for XP on Mage.
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Mar 31, 2022 21:01
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XII compensated for the automation by tripling the amount of rounds each combat takes, with most of the problems that that entails. They do go by faster than normal combat rounds but absolutely gently caress all happens in most of them. Also why "use more manual abilities" falls apart, the combats are so long if you do that you're really not supposed to
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Mar 31, 2022 21:09
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Senator Drinksalot posted:Mage can cast Blizzaga, can't it? Mage is a starting job. Mage just gets the crystal elements I think, fire/water/wind/earth. Black mage (and maybe red?) is the one that gets blizzard. Ibblebibble posted:Void Knight's Runic can suck up her Tridisaster and use it to give yourself unlimited mana or throw a big sword beam at her, it rules. Void Knight's Runic ability whips rear end, it's real satisfying when you find the right time to use it for big damage.
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Mar 31, 2022 21:11
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pretty soft girl posted:I find 14's combat to be incredibly mind numbing and that's coming from someone who fought a variety of identical looking crabs for 600 days of his life The best thing about this is that the 14 crab minion description directly references this It's something along the lines of "this cute little guy is sure to induce traumatic flashbacks from those who spent months culling its relatives on distant shores" lol
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Mar 31, 2022 21:17
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Use those crystals to get to sage and treat yourself to Ultima asap.
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Mar 31, 2022 21:22
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I don't think this has ever been brought up, but is our good buddy Warmech back in Stranger of Paradise?
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Mar 31, 2022 21:41
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Fister Roboto posted:OK so it sounds like it's just miscommunication. The "refined" tracks are just the same arrangement as the originals, but with modern digital instrumentation and editing. The tracks from this: Really I guess it's our fault for seeing a video titled "CHRONO CROSS: THE RADICAL DREAMERS EDITION Music Tracks Trailer" and reading the text in the video saying "Introducing New and Arranged Songs" and foolishly assuming that it was a preview of the music in Chrono Cross: The Radical Dreamers Edition. Can't imagine why anyone was confused!
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Mar 31, 2022 21:52
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Super No Vacancy posted:how to beat tiamat Parry tridisaster then dodge (only a single button press, the two button press does not have invincibility!!), judicious use of ultima as well You can actually chain parry tri disaster and get a whole bunch of MP off it for free as well
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Mar 31, 2022 21:53
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Twelve by Pies posted:Really I guess it's our fault for seeing a video titled "CHRONO CROSS: THE RADICAL DREAMERS EDITION Music Tracks Trailer" and reading the text in the video saying "Introducing New and Arranged Songs" and foolishly assuming that it was a preview of the music in Chrono Cross: The Radical Dreamers Edition. Can't imagine why anyone was confused! it was dumb but thankfully we get the best of both worlds in the end
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Mar 31, 2022 22:37
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So after beating SoP, I’m not sure where to go from here… I see one new side quest is open, but it’s item level is a bit higher than my own. But I’m not sure how to increase my item level since every other sidequest is now below me? And Chaos mode is ever higher, so I’m not supposed to do that yet either
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Mar 31, 2022 23:00
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Snow Cone Capone posted:The best thing about this is that the 14 crab minion description directly references this it is never not funny
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Mar 31, 2022 23:08
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Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:So after beating SoP, I’m not sure where to go from here… I see one new side quest is open, but it’s item level is a bit higher than my own. But I’m not sure how to increase my item level since every other sidequest is now below me? And Chaos mode is ever higher, so I’m not supposed to do that yet either You can run missions that are a higher item level, they'll just hurt a bit more when you take a hit, until you've picked up some higher level gear.
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Mar 31, 2022 23:16
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Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:So after beating SoP, I’m not sure where to go from here… I see one new side quest is open, but it’s item level is a bit higher than my own. But I’m not sure how to increase my item level since every other sidequest is now below me? And Chaos mode is ever higher, so I’m not supposed to do that yet either Starting on the first mission on chaos mode is what I did. You are gonna get staggered easily and often because of the ilevel gap. Or hop into a level 300 mission online and let someone carry you for a bit so you can get some easy loot  There are some missions that people are always farming where you can just tag along.Lotus Aura posted:This is literally, objectively untrue. What do you think technicks are? Mostly garbage that isn't worth using.
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Mar 31, 2022 23:18
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Lotus Aura posted:
Almost all entirely dogshit and way too few of them so it takes forever to get anything let alone get anything worth actually using.
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Mar 31, 2022 23:20
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A little absurd FF12 didn’t have any sword saint esque abilities.
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Mar 31, 2022 23:23
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A lot of FF12s problems can be traced to the OG license board which was just a total fuckin' mess. Everything since then has been trying to reshuffle that mess into something appealing without doing a full system level remake.
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Mar 31, 2022 23:25
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I don't really know if "you're supposed to let the game run on auto but have to constantly monitor it anyway to react to anything actually dangerous" is a salvageable premise to begin with
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Tonfa posted:I don't really know if "you're supposed to let the game run on auto but have to constantly monitor it anyway to react to anything actually dangerous" is a salvageable premise to begin with Creating a combat flow and adjusting it as needed can work as gameplay. 13 basically just had you shifting as needed though it automated everything. Give 12 a more involved combat system and you can do a lot.
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