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Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


Pablo Bluth posted:

90% seems like a good hit rate given us not actively tracking the target. The questions are:
We've shipped them all, how close are they to firing them all?
How quickly can they he manufactured? The £20k price suggests they're going to be easier to churn out quickly than a £200k Javelin.

The US is going to ship 800 Stingers and 2,000 Javelins.

They're made by Thales.

Thales also makes Javelins, Hellfire and Starstreak. Must be having a good time right about now.

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Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

Coquito Ergo Sum posted:

VDV: "Where we droppin', boys?"

VDV
dabbing on haters
trained in Florida
dropping on gators

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


Hieronymous Alloy posted:

This is the one that's worrying me right now. The Russians still have a lot of power in the field. If they actually are starting to use it correctly the Ukrainians could be in for a really hard time.

I think there's a very open question of what happens if one of the helicopters gets tagged with a MANPADS. Do the other escort helicopters engage or do they bug out?

We've seen video of them plowing through fire, but that was on the very first day. We've also seen them do that weird popup rocket volley thing that sacrifices basically the entire point of helicopter based rockets for a bit less vulnerability to middle fire (and still had at least one take a starstreak). So who knows.

mutata
Mar 1, 2003

Antigravitas posted:

It reads like Anglo media has found their next No Fly Zone.

Anyone with a passing knowledge of what an NFZ entails knew it wasn't going to happen, and anyone with a passing knowledge of how gas is moved and used knows it's not going to happen within less than a few years. You can't substitute gas imports like you can oil and coal.

You're right, we should merely not talk about it and allow the EU to directly fund the genocide of a sovereign nation. Too difficult!

War is supposed to be easy breezy, after all.

CeeJee
Dec 4, 2001
Oven Wrangler

cinci zoo sniper posted:



Select EU leaders will hopefully start feeling articles like this coming out of outlets like Bloomberg.
https://twitter.com/javierblas/status/1511617408288579588



Shifting gas deliveries from Nordstream 1 to the pipes going through Ukraine will help Ukraine a bit by allowing them to collect more transit fees.

BougieBitch
Oct 2, 2013

Basic as hell

CeeJee posted:

Shifting gas deliveries from Nordstream 1 to the pipes going through Ukraine will help Ukraine a bit by allowing them to collect more transit fees.

I doubt Russia is paying those out, so at that point you may as well just allocate more direct aid to Ukraine

Barrel Cactaur
Oct 6, 2021


Cluster munitions have a big dud rate, they often don't have secondary detonators like single munitions so if the impact switch doesn't trigger, or it's dropped to low, or hits a roof edge and deflects, etc. It just sits there being dangerous.

Looking again those might also be tank shells.

Kraftwerk
Aug 13, 2011
i do not have 10,000 bircoins, please stop asking

Private Speech posted:

They're made by Thales.

Thales also makes Javelins, Hellfire and Starstreak. Must be having a good time right about now.

February 23rd the Thales stock was like 84 per share. Today it's about 116.

Eric Cantonese
Dec 21, 2004

You should hear my accent.

fatherboxx posted:

In a bit of personal good news after more than a month of silence I have learnt that my aunt and grandmother in Mariupol are alive thanks to a volunteer who got my number from them while distributing supplies. They are either in the basement of their apartment complex or somewhere close. Bad news is that grandmother broke her leg so an evacuation for now is out of question (moreso with heavy fighting only 1km away). Our best option would be evacuation to Novoazovsk or Donetsk when the firing stops so our family in Volgograd (south of Russia, about 10-12 hr ride to the border) can get them out. Of course with poo poo like filtration camps and the general disregard for civilian population from Russia I dont expect it to be easy.

I'm glad to hear they're alive, but I'm sorry to hear about not being able to evacuate yet.

I'm so sorry your family has to go through all this.

Threadkiller Dog
Jun 9, 2010

Kraftwerk posted:

February 23rd the Thales stock was like 84 per share. Today it's about 116.

Oh almost all my funds are ESG, drat this peaceful investing fad!

KitConstantine
Jan 11, 2013

Remember that video of Ukrainians hitting a low-hovering helicopter with an ATGM? Russians don't.
https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/1511697179592863747?s=20&t=8hSppamLm8HccbqxaL5k9w

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme

KitConstantine posted:

Remember that video of Ukrainians hitting a low-hovering helicopter with an ATGM? Russians don't.
https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/1511697179592863747?s=20&t=8hSppamLm8HccbqxaL5k9w

well, apparently this is what you have to do to stop ambushes.

Letmebefrank
Oct 9, 2012

Entitled
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x54juxDGBzU

Reasons for attack video from one of my favourite channels (Estonian viewpoint). Nice theory, based on the long term behaviour of Russia.

ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


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Antigravitas posted:

It reads like Anglo media has found their next No Fly Zone.

I think you’ve been listening to the Russian government too closely. There is no such thing as some sort of unified hegemonic “Anglo media.”

The best you can say is it that there are country specific medias where the predominant language is English; however, given the fact we in the West do not just make media the government doesn’t like illegal, that’s not very useful either.

The better thing to say here would be something like “the mainstream American media…”

Deltasquid
Apr 10, 2013

awww...
you guys made me ink!


THUNDERDOME

Threadkiller Dog posted:

Oh almost all my funds are ESG, drat this peaceful investing fad!

I always invest in cardinal sin funds. Unfortunately it seems mine have blown it all on weed and gambling

ummel
Jun 17, 2002

<3 Lowtax

Fun Shoe
Very very :nms:. Dog harm. Dog paws nailed to a cleaning rack, either just straight torture, or to prep for eating I wouldn't have guessed that the orc thing would play out to be so true, ffs. There's more pictures in the thread of damage and destruction of Bucha, and one of a found cat which is a nice happy post.

code:
https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1511694479098626053

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:

mutata posted:

You're right, we should merely not talk about it and allow the EU to directly fund the genocide of a sovereign nation. Too difficult!

War is supposed to be easy breezy, after all.

It would indeed be good if people talked about the actual effects of the policies they demand and shut up if they can't, yes.

ZombieLenin posted:

I think you’ve been listening to the Russian government too closely. There is no such thing as some sort of unified hegemonic “Anglo media.”

The best you can say is it that there are country specific medias where the predominant language is English; however, given the fact we in the West do not just make media the government doesn’t like illegal, that’s not very useful either.

The better thing to say here would be something like “the mainstream American media…”

There absolutely is, and no I'm not talking about "mainsteam American media". I read newspapers in three languages, and there's an absolutely striking similarity within the entire English-speaking world.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Concerned Citizen posted:

well, apparently this is what you have to do to stop ambushes.

that doesn't seem feasible long term or even shortish term.

uncleTomOfFinland
May 25, 2008

Threadkiller Dog posted:

Oh almost all my funds are ESG, drat this peaceful investing fad!



You might already own it. Maybe dead russian tank crews count for carbon offsets?

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Antigravitas posted:

It would indeed be good if people talked about the actual effects of the policies they demand and shut up if they can't, yes.

the EU can absolutely decouple from russian gas in a way that it cannot go to war with russia. one would cause economic damage to the EU, potentially severe. the other potentially ends the world. the two are not remotely similar because the EU can absorb the cost of cutting off russian gas, it would just be painful.

KitConstantine
Jan 11, 2013

Stop me if you've heard this one before:
https://twitter.com/pmakela1/status/1511680247045017609?s=20&t=TernT2OUKTjtcr-PsFwG2g
Translation

quote:

In the Federation Council, Russia is threatening Finland because of its intention to join NATO.

Vladimir Jabarov said: "Finland's accession to NATO would make it a target for retaliatory Russian action."

"With what army" is my immediate question. My second is why they think that Finland will respond to this threat in any way differently than they have to the previous threats.

RBA-Wintrow
Nov 4, 2009


Clapping Larry

EscapeHere posted:

Can any finance or forex goons here explain in simple terms what's happening with the ruble? i.e. why is it higher now than when the war started? All the predictions were that it would crash heavily.

I'm hearing people say the current values aren't "real", they're manipulated, they're not being traded on the open market, etc, but what does this mean in real terms? Does this mean Russia will manipulate their currency for eternity or are they just delaying the inevitable?

The value of the ruble depends on the demand for it. With the sanctions nobody wanted, or could, buy rubles from Russia.
Russia is manipulating the demand for rubles by forcing companies inside Russia to exchange any foreign currencies they have for rubles. Making it appear there is a demand. That's gonna last until everyone in Russia has run out of dollars, euro's etc.

Russia also forces the EU payments (in euro's) to be converted into rubles by the Russian banks. They asked the EU to pay in rubles (forcing the EU to first buy rubles from Russia, to pay Russia for oil and gas.). But the EU refused, so now the conversion is done inside Russia.

Businesses outside Russia still have no demand for the ruble. Russian banks can point and say "See how much demand there is! We're selling lots of rubles for euro's!"

A video on this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PwsU43S_Cs&t=90s

Threadkiller Dog
Jun 9, 2010

Deltasquid posted:

I always invest in cardinal sin funds. Unfortunately it seems mine have blown it all on weed and gambling

If I cant trust them with my rent seeking money, who can I trust :(

the popes toes
Oct 10, 2004

BougieBitch posted:

I doubt Russia is paying those out, so at that point you may as well just allocate more direct aid to Ukraine

Russian natural gas transit to Europe via Ukraine is continuing as normal despite the war, and Moscow is still paying in “hard currency” for the trans-shipment services, the head of Ukraine’s largest state-owned oil and gas company said.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-21/ukraine-says-russia-still-pays-in-hard-currency-for-gas-transit

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


Threadkiller Dog posted:

If I cant trust them with my rent seeking money, who can I trust :(

Corporate motto posted:

Thales helps its customers to create a safer world by offering them the tools they need to perform critical tasks.

I mean that's one way of putting it.

mutata
Mar 1, 2003

Antigravitas posted:

It would indeed be good if people talked about the actual effects of the policies they demand and shut up if they can't, yes.


What about the effects on innocent civilians and children of 1 billion euros a day given to a fascist aggressor state? I'd rather talk about that.

With all due respect, I'll talk about whatever I want and you can gently caress off.

barbecue at the folks
Jul 20, 2007


KitConstantine posted:

Stop me if you've heard this one before:
https://twitter.com/pmakela1/status/1511680247045017609?s=20&t=TernT2OUKTjtcr-PsFwG2g
Translation

"With what army" is my immediate question. My second is why they think that Finland will respond to this threat in any way differently than they have to the previous threats.

Finland is now 90% certain to join NATO, every political party, even the Left, are moving behind sending an application as fast as possible. Every time Russians rattle their saber, more people turn towards supporting the choice. There's an anecdote from the 1990s about ambassadors in Moscow discussing Finland's possible joining NATO, with Finnish ambassador noting to his Russian host that if Russians didn't want Finns to join NATO, the only thing Russians have to do is to tell them to go ahead and join it... They really don't get it, I suspect they never will.

Cimber
Feb 3, 2014

barbecue at the folks posted:

Finland is now 90% certain to join NATO, every political party, even the Left, are moving behind sending an application as fast as possible. Every time Russians rattle their saber, more people turn towards supporting the choice. There's an anecdote from the 1990s about ambassadors in Moscow discussing Finland's possible joining NATO, with Finnish ambassador noting to his Russian host that if Russians didn't want Finns to join NATO, the only thing Russians have to do is to tell them to go ahead and join it... They really don't get it, I suspect they never will.

Its almost as if threatening countries that might want to join an alliance defending against that threatening country would make them want to join even more.

Pro move there Vlad.

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

KitConstantine posted:

Stop me if you've heard this one before:
https://twitter.com/pmakela1/status/1511680247045017609?s=20&t=TernT2OUKTjtcr-PsFwG2g
Translation

"With what army" is my immediate question. My second is why they think that Finland will respond to this threat in any way differently than they have to the previous threats.
"If you join a defensive alliance to protect yourself from us invading you then we will invade you."

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

ZombieLenin posted:


The better thing to say here would be something like “the mainstream American media…”

And the mainstream American media would have a hard time reporting the Earth is spherical without dedicating 50% of the time to flat earthers.

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

Eric Cantonese posted:

I'm glad to hear they're alive, but I'm sorry to hear about not being able to evacuate yet.

I'm so sorry your family has to go through all this.

Just managed to connect and call, learned that they were able to get to Taganrog in Rostov region today (at least some military are decent people so they got them through border past filtration etc), grandmother is getting medical care, family already driving from Volgograd to pick them up, hopefully tomorrow we will be able to take care of them.

PerilPastry
Oct 10, 2012

KitConstantine posted:

"With what army" is my immediate question. My second is why they think that Finland will respond to this threat in any way differently than they have to the previous threats.

Also if Russia was going to act militarily re: Finland surely they would do so before-hand to forestall their accession to NATO rather than after they'd been given the Article 5 protection they're so eager to prevent them getting.

JerikTelorian
Jan 19, 2007



mobby_6kl posted:



Or maybe it's just resting.

I have to imagine the logistics for getting this thing running again would be immense, right? The engines are probably fouled beyond all repair and would need a complete rebuild, and I imagine the piping and wiring is probably ruined too.

While I'm sure it has a substantial level of water remediation, I can't imagine it's "several weeks underwater" levels of remediation.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

JerikTelorian posted:

I have to imagine the logistics for getting this thing running again would be immense, right? The engines are probably fouled beyond all repair and would need a complete rebuild, and I imagine the piping and wiring is probably ruined too.

While I'm sure it has a substantial level of water remediation, I can't imagine it's "several weeks underwater" levels of remediation.

I'm pretty sure it would just get hauled out and scrapped at this point. The more important thing is that it's leaving the pier mostly unusable in the mean time.

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



PerilPastry posted:

Also if Russia was going to act militarily re: Finland surely they would do so before-hand to forestall their accession to NATO rather than after they'd been given the Article 5 protection they're so eager to prevent them getting.

Would invading after an application is filed be the "one weird trick to circumventing Article 5" or would NATO do something about such a naked retaliation?

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

KitConstantine posted:

Remember that video of Ukrainians hitting a low-hovering helicopter with an ATGM? Russians don't.
https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/1511697179592863747?s=20&t=8hSppamLm8HccbqxaL5k9w

They've been flying helicopters that low since beginning of the war; they've been flying that way since theit own Afghanistan. All helicopter forces in the world train to do this because thats how you survive in a conventional warfare environment.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

KitConstantine posted:

Remember that video of Ukrainians hitting a low-hovering helicopter with an ATGM? Russians don't.
https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/1511697179592863747?s=20&t=8hSppamLm8HccbqxaL5k9w

also https://twitter.com/randymot4/status/1511656627992252423

it also looks like once again, russians are doing long dumb convoys on roads going beyond air support range.

CeeJee
Dec 4, 2001
Oven Wrangler

the popes toes posted:

Russian natural gas transit to Europe via Ukraine is continuing as normal despite the war, and Moscow is still paying in “hard currency” for the trans-shipment services, the head of Ukraine’s largest state-owned oil and gas company said.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-21/ukraine-says-russia-still-pays-in-hard-currency-for-gas-transit

The whole gas thing is a three party Prisoner's Dilemma where the outcome is the one with the least damage to each party even if it means giving up on causing more damage to another.

MassiveSky
Apr 5, 2022

by Hand Knit

Alan Smithee posted:

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VDV
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DekeThornton
Sep 2, 2011

Be friends!

OctaMurk posted:

They've been flying helicopters that low since beginning of the war; they've been flying that way since theit own Afghanistan. All helicopter forces in the world train to do this because thats how you survive in a conventional warfare environment.

Yup!

Some old Swedish training footage here of it for instance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzirKbRkyxQ

1:20 is fun!

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