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Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord
https://twitter.com/JackDetsch/status/1511672414937174017

Long thread about Irpin, author lives there and posted many pictures and videos
:nws: https://twitter.com/stan_kavi/status/1511286590936686598

UA mechanized troops - kind of funny
:nws: https://www.tiktok.com/@888nesterenko888/video/7082653029438147846

Absolutely represents UA armed forces - guy with a lot of anti tank firepower
:nws: https://www.tiktok.com/@max.alhimov/video/7073729962364259590

This guy has many walkarounds of burned out vehicles and a helicopter :nws: pretty much everywhere
:nws: https://www.tiktok.com/@son1c23

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Rad Russian
Aug 15, 2007

Soviet Power Supreme!

CommieGIR posted:

I'm gonna laugh if they continue to make these awful, strategic blunders.

At this point, it's likely that all units outside of Donbas are purposefully there (as far as the command is concerned) to suicide themselves and to delay Ukranian troops enough that Donbas itself can be fully reinforced with Russian troops coming from Belarus. Most likely to ensure a plausible victory announcement from Putin in May if they can extend to the full borders of the region.

Whether the "land bridge" is part of the new land that will be announced as part of the victory depends on what Russian troops do after Mariupol and whether they can hold that or are forced to withdraw to Donbas.

Rad Russian fucked around with this message at 15:00 on Apr 7, 2022

ummel
Jun 17, 2002

<3 Lowtax

Fun Shoe
:nms: bc tank battle & damaged/exploded tanks, but nothing too bad (drone footage)

https://twitter.com/Kyruer/status/1512055547801088010

Doesn't seem to be much confirmation of timing of filming , but if it's new, gently caress yeah keep it up Mariupol defenders.

PederP
Nov 20, 2009

CommieGIR posted:

They are reluctant to commit because they shot themselves in the foot and there's really no way to undo it. Germany spent the past 30 years convincing themselves that Renewables would solve all their problems and that they could transition using Gas and retire their coal.

That's all, pretty much, been undone. They are bailing out their coal industry. They are stuck depending on Natural Gas imports. They don't want to restart or save their last few reactors that could readily offset the 15% natural gas they use for electricity.

They dug a hole, they now realize they are in a hole, and they don't want to stop digging because it'll reflect poorly on their decisions.

We have a giant Danish gas field sitting in the North Sea burning off gas - apparently because Covid made it impossible to find the necessary skilled labor. We also lack the pipeline capacity to handle as much as we can pump. If Germany could help out I'm sure we could work out a deal. I don't expect Denmark is the only nation with inactive gas fields.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyra_Field

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



In extremely important news, Ukraine is tipped to win Eurovision next month:

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-61015050

Russia is barred from participating :byewhore:

MassiveSky
Apr 5, 2022

by Hand Knit
They could, y'know, build more LNG terminals in Norway. It's not like we don't have excess capacity with no real way of transporting it by other means than ships.
Equinor claims that the pipes are running at full cap at the time, sooo build more pipes?

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

ummel posted:

:nms: bc tank battle & damaged/exploded tanks, but nothing too bad (drone footage)

https://twitter.com/Kyruer/status/1512055547801088010

Doesn't seem to be much confirmation of timing of filming , but if it's new, gently caress yeah keep it up Mariupol defenders.

geo
https://twitter.com/Nrg8000/status/1512066650564337675


https://twitter.com/mariamposts/status/1511995713135443969

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:

CommieGIR posted:

That's all, pretty much, been undone. They are bailing out their coal industry. They are stuck depending on Natural Gas imports. They don't want to restart or save their last few reactors that could readily offset the 15% natural gas they use for electricity.

Read this: https://ag-energiebilanzen.de/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/bilanz20d.pdf

Note the use for grid electricity at 381 410 TJ
Note the use for literally everything else at 2 960 977 TJ (with additional 2 683 270 TJ exported). 896 436 TJ residential. 793 420 TJ industry. 367 575 TJ commercial and services.

The bigger number is where the real issue is.

In related Russia/Turkey and Armenia/Azerbaijan news:
https://www.lemonde.fr/internationa...21036_3210.html

quote:

Armenia and Azerbaijan announced on Thursday (7 April) that they were launching preparations for peace talks to resolve three decades of conflict in the Nagorno-Karabakh region, the scene of two wars, one of which was in 2020.

The decision was taken during a meeting organised on Wednesday in Brussels between Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinian and Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev, under the mediation of European Council President Charles Michel.

"An agreement was reached at the meeting (...) to set up a bilateral commission on border demarcation issues," and this commission will be responsible for ensuring security and stability along the border. For its part, the Azerbaijani Foreign Ministry announced that the future agreement would be based on "the basic principles proposed earlier by Azerbaijan".

That seems…positive?

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Key posts from this

https://twitter.com/mariamposts/status/1511995746236702721?s=20&t=gF92xjlc8-qNEeNUSa-ZxQ

https://twitter.com/mariamposts/status/1511995752247177216?s=20&t=gF92xjlc8-qNEeNUSa-ZxQ

Antigravitas posted:

Read this: https://ag-energiebilanzen.de/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/bilanz20d.pdf

Note the use for grid electricity at 381 410 TJ
Note the use for literally everything else at 2 960 977 TJ (with additional 2 683 270 TJ exported). 896 436 TJ residential. 793 420 TJ industry. 367 575 TJ commercial and services.

The bigger number is where the real issue is.

In related Russia/Turkey and Armenia/Azerbaijan news:
https://www.lemonde.fr/internationa...21036_3210.html

That seems…positive?

The point stands: If Germany kept their plants online and even rolled back the last 3 retired ones, that gas could be used for residential instead of electricity. The fact that Germany is unwilling to do this is insanity. 15% is not an insignificant amount of gas being used to generate electricity.

CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Apr 7, 2022

Ynglaur
Oct 9, 2013

The Malta Conference, anyone?

ummel posted:

:nms: bc tank battle & damaged/exploded tanks, but nothing too bad (drone footage)

https://twitter.com/Kyruer/status/1512055547801088010

Doesn't seem to be much confirmation of timing of filming , but if it's new, gently caress yeah keep it up Mariupol defenders.

Looks like UA got something with an autocannon behind the two Russian tanks. I couldn't tell the range, though given the trajectory it's probably under 600m. Good shooting.

And again, no Russian infantry in evidence. I suppose they could have been pushing through the buildings to the tanks' left, but the Russian army is just dramatically short of well-trained, motivated infantry forces right now.

Wuxi
Apr 3, 2012

Its not about getting that gas elsewhere and its not about renewals vs nuclear vs fossil fuels. No german decision maker outside of the greens gives even the slightest gently caress where the energy comes from or how it is produced. The only thing that matters is the price and nothing can compete with the extremely cheap contracts made with Russia in the last few decades.
So unless Norway or Denmark or whoever can offer gas at the same price Russia can, Germany will not be interested.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Wuxi posted:

Its not about getting that gas elsewhere and its not about renewals vs nuclear vs fossil fuels. No german decision maker outside of the greens gives even the slightest gently caress where the energy comes from or how it is produced. The only thing that matters is the price and nothing can compete with the extremely cheap contracts made with Russia in the last few decades.
So unless Norway or Denmark or whoever can offer gas at the same price Russia can, Germany will not be interested.

I'd argue this is untrue because a built nuclear plant that is in operation is in line with gas overall to operate. They most certainly care where it comes from or they wouldn't even bother retiring already built and operating plants in favor of Natural Gas.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Hannibal Rex posted:

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1512050399280312325?t=Qg917UPLfdir9TrlOVWF_Q&s=19

Seems like Ukraine is preparing for Russian advances to at least come within artillery range of Dnipro.

A friend of mine is living there with his family. :smith:


Scholz recalled Baerbock from the meeting to be present on a ‘rona vote that he lost by like 80 votes or something.

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

CommieGIR posted:

I'd argue this is untrue because a built nuclear plant that is in operation is in line with gas overall to operate. They most certainly care where it comes from or they wouldn't even bother retiring already built and operating plants in favor of Natural Gas.

There is a clear majority in Germany to keep nuclear plants online (70% according to a recent poll https://www.augsburger-allgemeine.de/special/bayern-monitor/umfrage-zur-atomkraft-in-deutschland-mehrheit-fuer-verlaengerung-id62012496.html) but for two of the three government parties (Greens/SPD) it's anathema to do it. The Greens especially live in an alternate reality where renewables and energy austerity will be enough to live by.

cinci zoo sniper posted:

Scholz recalled Baerbock from the meeting to be present on a ‘rona vote that he lost by like 80 votes or something.

A vote that is not even official government policy because Scholz can't muster the courage to push for something he is not 100% certain he will win. Officially it was a "moral question" where partylines are not enforced.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



CommieGIR posted:

Key posts from this

It's somewhat bizarre that the BBC would list the center-right N-VA (New Flemish Alliance), but not our actual far-right populist party, namely Vlaams Belang (Flemish Interest). The latter does well enough to warrant a mention, unfortunately.

The general point still stands, of course. The threat posed by the far right in Ukraine has been massively exaggerated. That said, the Azov Battalion should be disbanded as soon as possible. Regardless of their alleged combat prowess, it's an easy propaganda win for Ukraine's enemies, and they shouldn't exist in the first place.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Phlegmish posted:

It's somewhat bizarre that the BBC would list the center-right N-VA (New Flemish Alliance), but not our actual far-right populist party, namely Vlaams Belang (Flemish Interest). The latter does well enough to warrant a mention, unfortunately.

The general point still stands, of course. The threat posed by the far right in Ukraine has been massively exaggerated. That said, the Azov Battalion should be disbanded as soon as possible. Regardless of their alleged combat prowess, it's an easy propaganda win for Ukraine's enemies, and they shouldn't exist in the first place.

Yeah agreed. Azov needs to go away. But focusing on Azov makes little sense during the middle of the invasion versus demanding their disbandment post invasion.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Poor guy is from the "republics" too. In one of the posts he's like "I came here to get away from you assholes :argh:"


cinci zoo sniper posted:

A friend of mine is living there with his family. :smith:

Scholz recalled Baerbock from the meeting to be present on a ‘rona vote that he lost by like 80 votes or something.
A friend of mine is from there. Her family wasn't planning to get out but i'll check with her what's up.

Also. lol.

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:

CommieGIR posted:

I'd argue this is untrue because a built nuclear plant that is in operation is in line with gas overall to operate. They most certainly care where it comes from or they wouldn't even bother retiring already built and operating plants in favor of Natural Gas.

You can't replace a peaker plant with a base load plant. That's why France has a similar share of gas in its electricity mix.


GaussianCopula posted:

There is a clear majority in Germany to keep nuclear plants online (70% according to a recent poll https://www.augsburger-allgemeine.de/special/bayern-monitor/umfrage-zur-atomkraft-in-deutschland-mehrheit-fuer-verlaengerung-id62012496.html) but for two of the three government parties (Greens/SPD) it's anathema to do it. The Greens especially live in an alternate reality where renewables and energy austerity will be enough to live by.

Habeck was pretty clear that Laufzeitverlängerungen are on the table. But the operators are rather nonplussed.

with a rebel yell she QQd
Jan 18, 2007

Villain


ummel posted:

:nms: bc tank battle & damaged/exploded tanks, but nothing too bad (drone footage)

https://twitter.com/Kyruer/status/1512055547801088010

Doesn't seem to be much confirmation of timing of filming , but if it's new, gently caress yeah keep it up Mariupol defenders.

So what kind of weapon is this? Looks like Star Wars...
Is this some sort of auto canon with sort of tracer rounds? I know nothing about military stuff, just very curious.

eke out
Feb 24, 2013



with a rebel yell she QQd posted:

So what kind of weapon is this? Looks like Star Wars...
Is this some sort of auto canon with sort of tracer rounds? I know nothing about military stuff, just very curious.

yeah 30mm autocannon, probably on a BTR-4? or at least, we've had a lot of footage from mariupol of them using BTR-4s with this weapon against russian tanks

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Ynglaur posted:

Looks like UA got something with an autocannon behind the two Russian tanks. I couldn't tell the range, though given the trajectory it's probably under 600m. Good shooting.

And again, no Russian infantry in evidence. I suppose they could have been pushing through the buildings to the tanks' left, but the Russian army is just dramatically short of well-trained, motivated infantry forces right now.

In-vehicle footage from Mariupol defenders has been from BTR-4 primarily, that I’ve seen. Main gun is a 30mm auto cannon.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

got those happy feet

with a rebel yell she QQd posted:

So what kind of weapon is this? Looks like Star Wars...
Is this some sort of auto canon with sort of tracer rounds? I know nothing about military stuff, just very curious.

It appears to be, yes. The BTR-3 (Ukrainian derivative of the Soviet BTR-80, with updates and poo poo) has a 30mm autocannon. It's a bit bigger than the Bushmaster on a Bradley. BTR-4 has the same size gun but my quick draw googling isn't telling me if it's the same gun.

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

Antigravitas posted:

Habeck was pretty clear that Laufzeitverlängerungen are on the table. But the operators are rather nonplussed.

Habeck (and Lemke) are against it https://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2022-03/gruene-atomkraft-laufzeitverlaengerung-akw-energieversorgung-engpass

while the operators say that it's a good idea and send a letter to Scholz https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/appell-an-scholz-atomkraftwerke-sollen-laenger-laufen-17903079.html

In other news - Germanys government is blocking the delivery of 100 Marder IFV https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Ukraine-moechte-100-Marder-der-Bundeswehr-article23249758.html

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Antigravitas posted:

You can't replace a peaker plant with a base load plant. That's why France has a similar share of gas in its electricity mix.

Most modern nuclear reactors are capable of handling load shedding and adjusting for various periods. Peaker plants are a thing even with nuclear, yes, but to a far lesser degree.

Its also less of an issue for France because they are not bailing out a coal industry or stuck on coal power, so some gas baseload/peaker to cover bases makes sense. Germany is using natural gas as a crutch while shuttering zero-emissions plants and bailing out a coal industry and making excuses for their natural gas industry. France has already well met their emissions goals. Germany has not (except for when COVID cut emissions) and at this point, likely will not.

As long as Germany continues to make excuses for shuttering zero-emissions nuclear in favor of fossil fuels, this is a laughable excuse.

CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 15:52 on Apr 7, 2022

PC LOAD LETTER
May 23, 2005
WTF?!

with a rebel yell she QQd posted:

So what kind of weapon is this? Looks like Star Wars...
Is this some sort of auto canon with sort of tracer rounds? I know nothing about military stuff, just very curious.

Yeah big (prob 30mm) auto cannon with tracers.

Some of them were bouncing off armor which is why they were flying all over the place at odd angles with some shots.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

CommieGIR posted:


Its also less of an issue for France because they are not bailing out a coal industry or stuck on coal power, so some gas baseload/peaker to cover bases makes sense. Germany is using natural gas as a crutch while shuttering zero-emissions plants and bailing out a coal industry and making excuses for their natural gas industry.

You know what might help their coal industry? Blocking competition from Russian coal.

Wuxi
Apr 3, 2012

with a rebel yell she QQd posted:

So what kind of weapon is this? Looks like Star Wars...
Is this some sort of auto canon with sort of tracer rounds? I know nothing about military stuff, just very curious.

I universally hated everything about my mandatory military service, but goddamn if the night fire exercise with tracer rounds wasnt a lot of dumb fun

Hammerstein
May 6, 2005

YOU DON'T KNOW A DAMN THING ABOUT RACING !

CommieGIR posted:

The point stands: If Germany kept their plants online and even rolled back the last 3 retired ones, that gas could be used for residential instead of electricity. The fact that Germany is unwilling to do this is insanity. 15% is not an insignificant amount of gas being used to generate electricity.

Even if they were to consider it, preparing a nuclear power plant for deactivation is not like flipping a switch on and off and the deactivation procedures have already advanced too far for a rollback. The few plants that still could be reactivated are out of fissionable materials, cause the Germans only bought as much as they needed til the plants reached their planned end of life. Building new fuel elements takes 12-15 months. Also some parts of the plants were decontaminated with acidic chemicals, making material failure a possibility. All according to Uwe Stoll (Scientific and technical director at the Society for Plant and Reactor Safety) in an interview from March.

https://www.rnd.de/wissen/akw-kann-man-alte-atomkraftwerke-einfach-wieder-hochfahren-B445CNG3G5GLVA4VEPHEUD75EU.html

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Hammerstein posted:

Even if they were to consider it, preparing a nuclear power plant for deactivation is not like flipping a switch on and off and the deactivation procedures have already advanced too far for a rollback. The few plants that still could be reactivated are out of fissionable materials, cause the Germans only bought as much as they needed til the plants reached their planned end of life. Building new fuel elements takes 12-15 months. Also some parts of the plants were decontaminated with acidic chemicals, making material failure a possibility. All according to Uwe Stoll (Scientific and technical director at the Society for Plant and Reactor Safety) in an interview from March.

https://www.rnd.de/wissen/akw-kann-man-alte-atomkraftwerke-einfach-wieder-hochfahren-B445CNG3G5GLVA4VEPHEUD75EU.html

Yes, I am aware, this was my field of study. But much like Ukraine, there are US groups willing to manufacture and supply the fuel. This isn't a matter of they cannot get fuel: They can. They don't want to. And yes, boric acid wash to destroy the cores is commonly used, but this is often rushed to justify the plant not being brought back online. None of this is a matter of "Our hands are tied" its entirely a disaster of their own making formed in defense of fossil industries that openly lied to them.

The idea that 12-15 month lead time for new fuel is unacceptable but austerity and a coal bailout is, is incredibly disturbing. Either the Ukraine War and Climate Change is a crisis, or its not. Right now, Germanys actions speak louder than their words.

CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Apr 7, 2022

Youth Decay
Aug 18, 2015

https://twitter.com/Militarylandnet/status/1511970054631473161
Holy poo poo, how is this possible at this point? If Mariupol can somehow stick it out till the end...

aBagorn
Aug 26, 2004

Wuxi posted:

I universally hated everything about my mandatory military service, but goddamn if the night fire exercise with tracer rounds wasnt a lot of dumb fun

same tho (not mantadory here, my dumb rear end just signed up to prove a point)

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

Hammerstein posted:

Even if they were to consider it, preparing a nuclear power plant for deactivation is not like flipping a switch on and off and the deactivation procedures have already advanced too far for a rollback. The few plants that still could be reactivated are out of fissionable materials, cause the Germans only bought as much as they needed til the plants reached their planned end of life. Building new fuel elements takes 12-15 months. Also some parts of the plants were decontaminated with acidic chemicals, making material failure a possibility. All according to Uwe Stoll (Scientific and technical director at the Society for Plant and Reactor Safety) in an interview from March.

https://www.rnd.de/wissen/akw-kann-man-alte-atomkraftwerke-einfach-wieder-hochfahren-B445CNG3G5GLVA4VEPHEUD75EU.html

As posted above, the operators have said they would be able to secure the fuel in time and can operate the three plants still active differntly to allow them to be online with the current fuel for longer.

All that is needed is the political will and guarantees that they will be allowed to operate for a given timespan, but Scholz and Habeck don't want to spend the political capital and are trying to hide behind their experts.

Wuxi
Apr 3, 2012

Youth Decay posted:

https://twitter.com/Militarylandnet/status/1511970054631473161
Holy poo poo, how is this possible at this point? If Mariupol can somehow stick it out till the end...

Good job denazifying Ukraine if Azov of all units pulls off a Stalingrad in the end.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

GaussianCopula posted:

As posted above, the operators have said they would be able to secure the fuel in time and can operate the three plants still active differntly to allow them to be online with the current fuel for longer.

All that is needed is the political will and guarantees that they will be allowed to operate for a given timespan, but Scholz and Habeck don't want to spend the political capital and are trying to hide behind their experts.

yeah

the other thing is "well it would take a while" isn't an excuse not to start, it means you should have started yesterday. it was always a stupid as gently caress plan to eliminate zero-emission power plants in favor of coal/gas plants, "for the environment"

ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


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GaussianCopula posted:

As I said before, Russia pays their war machinery in Rubels, which the government has an unlimited supply of.

No. Russia uses foreign currency by converting it into rubles for internal procurement, to pay its debts that it needs to pay to continue to borrow rubles to fund the armaments industry, and to procure raw materials from other countries not participating in sanctions, which Russia needs to run those defense industries we are talking about.

The Russian government only had an “endless supply” of rubles if it prints them, which causes hyperinflation, which would be disastrous to the Russian Federation and would:

1. Impact Russia’s ability import goods, raw materials, or procure services;
2. Procurement of things from the internal Russian economy; and most importantly
3. It would impact the ability of internal Russian economic actors to pay each other… it would literally shut down very complex logistical chains necessary for an economy to function period, let alone making war;

All of which would damage the legitimacy of the Russian government generally.

In other words you are overestimating the Russian government and economy’s abilities to cope with a European embargo of fossil fuels, while also underestimating the impact such an embargo would have on the Russian government and economy.

An oil and gas embargo of Russia by Europe would significantly reduce the revenue of the state, and force Russia to make some pretty hard decisions about what it wants to spend the money it does have on… unless they want to print money, which would be a stopgap of a few months at best before hyperinflation completely fucks all of the Russian economy (including the military industrial complex in Russia.)

If things worked the way you seem to think, there would never be any need for a government to generate revenue by taxation or the sale of bonds. It could just print exactly what it needs every year to pay for whatever it wants.

Clearly it does not work that way.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Youth Decay posted:

https://twitter.com/Militarylandnet/status/1511970054631473161
Holy poo poo, how is this possible at this point? If Mariupol can somehow stick it out till the end...

To be fair, the second battle of Fallujah took more than a month too and that was against lightly armored insurgents and the attacking army was actually competent and not a total clownshow like the Russians.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



evilweasel posted:

yeah

the other thing is "well it would take a while" isn't an excuse not to start, it means you should have started yesterday. it was always a stupid as gently caress plan to eliminate zero-emission power plants in favor of coal/gas plants, "for the environment"
I saw a comic strip from a green* group once, which concluded with something like "There's no need for nuclear. We can just keep burning coal with pollution scrubbers until solar is ready. Fortunately, there's plenty of coal."

Solar perhaps isn't that far from ready now (the comic was from the late 70s) but I get the feeling there would be many other perfectly good, plausible excuses on why it wasn't yet time to switch in five years - ten - thirty -

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Nessus posted:

I saw a comic strip from a green* group once, which concluded with something like "There's no need for nuclear. We can just keep burning coal with pollution scrubbers until solar is ready. Fortunately, there's plenty of coal."

Solar perhaps isn't that far from ready now (the comic was from the late 70s) but I get the feeling there would be many other perfectly good, plausible excuses on why it wasn't yet time to switch in five years - ten - thirty -

Think of the coal/gas jobs! An industry that has openly misled and lied to people about both their purpose and funded groups to encourage nuclear plant closures to directly benefit their bottom line, and in Gazprom's case increase reliance on foreign imports to kneecap Germany's geopolitical will to respond to, say, an Invasion in Ukraine.

PerilPastry
Oct 10, 2012

GaussianCopula posted:

All that is needed is the political will and guarantees that they will be allowed to operate for a given timespan, but Scholz and Habeck don't want to spend the political capital and are trying to hide behind their experts.

How does that calculus make sense in terms of political capital? I mean, is public opinion in Germany truly so out of step with the mood in the rest of the EU re: Russia? Or has public opinion soured so much on nuclear power that it's basically a third rail at this point?

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CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

PerilPastry posted:

How does that calculus make sense in terms of political capital? I mean, is public opinion in Germany truly so out of step with the mood in the rest of the EU re: Russia? Or has public opinion soured so much on nuclear power that it's basically a third rail at this point?

Nope, in fact Public Opinion for nuclear power is largely on the rise. France is reversing course in nuclear phaseout and is now increasing investment in new reactors and Small Modular Reactors, Britain is likely planting to expand their nuclear fleet.

For the first time since Chernobyl, on average public approval for Nuclear is over 50%. Its largely Green groups and political groups opposing it, not so much public opinion. And most of it is based on extremely flawed and misinformed views on nuclear safety and spent fuel safety, along with outright corruption (i.e. Gazprom pushing for accelerated closure for Natural Gas as a 'transition fuel').

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