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Dongsturm
Feb 17, 2012

TITTIEKISSER69 posted:

I follow @employeetears on Instagram and this Twitter thread was shared, here's the text of it:

HR has always done this, but now computers are involved it can be dumber and faster.

Previously HR would reject you based on your cover letter, which is why everyone has massive anxiety about how to write the stupid thing even though it obviously doesn't matter.

The cover letter is the place where you're supposed to mention that you went the the same university as the VP, so HR knows to pass your resume. But HR everywhere started copying this the same way they copy Google questions now, so you have janitors trying to write a letter explaining how hiring them for the sanitation team will be a net benefit for the company, and increase profits and efficiency.

It took me a long time to fix my resume to get through HR and still be acceptable to the engineering team, and in the first interview I still have to say ”ignore that bit, I put it in to get past HR”

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COPE 27
Sep 11, 2006

Outrail posted:

I'm trying to find a benefit a package for our staff because they want to go to the dentist and even in the great socialist north that's not covered by the health system. I should be trying to offer training opportunities and career development, not teeth cleaning.

Yeah with the risk pooling of a group plan plus the tax advantage plus taking away uncertainty and stress, dental / vision / drug coverage is much more valuable to an employee than the cash value of it.

If you're a small business check your trade group for recommendations, there are usually brokers who can help find a solution for your specific situation.

Space Kablooey
May 6, 2009


nut posted:

my boss does this cool thing where when he has something for me to look at, usually a document is what im talking about here, he'll making a rumbly motor sound even though he is just walking but in the sound it sounds like a car and he'll rumble walk up to my desk and, get ready, go PAST it a pace or two. He then stops while making a screeching brake sound with his mouth and then a clunky sound which he told me later is him shifting to reverse. He backs up a pace and drops off the document. Then, as if nothing happened, he walks away soundlessly (soundless regarding the car sounds, he wears very puffy Osiris shoes that are pretty noisy with how he walks)

is your boss 5 years old or does he work with 5 year olds

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
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Switching in a 5 year old wouldn't change much for more than one of my bosses. Illogical. Basically a toddler. Temper tantrums. Whining. You still don't look up to him. You still look down on him. Can't drive for poo poo.

LRADIKAL
Jun 10, 2001

Fun Shoe

Samuel L. Hacksaw posted:

Accountants are lawyers that use math instead of spoken and written argumentation.

it's called logic, moron

LRADIKAL
Jun 10, 2001

Fun Shoe
If my boss was a 5 year old, there'd probably be people that would willingly just entertain the little fucker all day and I could get my job done!

Escape From Noise
Jul 27, 2004

I had a lot of fun teaching kids. I miss it sometimes.

Atopian
Sep 23, 2014

I need a security perimeter with Venetian blinds.

Escape From Noise posted:

I had a lot of fun teaching kids. I miss it sometimes.

With kids there is the assumption that they will eventually grow and mature.
With some bosses, there is only the hope that their obvious brilliance and dazzling interpersonal skills get them promoted out of range of your position.

Escape From Noise
Jul 27, 2004

Atopian posted:

With kids there is the assumption that they will eventually grow and mature.
With some bosses, there is only the hope that their obvious brilliance and dazzling interpersonal skills get them promoted out of range of your position.

At least most kids will sorta move past their lovely behavior and be at least somewhat adorable sometimes. Bosses are just pants making GBS threads morons.

Booty Pageant
Apr 20, 2012
not my work but i really wonder how many workplaces redundantly take one printed out spreadsheet and put it into excel. repeat everyday to the point it's someone's job

satanic splash-back
Jan 28, 2009

Booty Pageant posted:

not my work but i really wonder how many workplaces redundantly take one printed out spreadsheet and put it into excel. repeat everyday to the point it's someone's job

There are entire teams, sometimes departments in accounting dedicated to this.

TehRedWheelbarrow
Mar 16, 2011



Fan of Britches

nut posted:

my boss does this cool thing where when he has something for me to look at, usually a document is what im talking about here, he'll making a rumbly motor sound even though he is just walking but in the sound it sounds like a car and he'll rumble walk up to my desk and, get ready, go PAST it a pace or two. He then stops while making a screeching brake sound with his mouth and then a clunky sound which he told me later is him shifting to reverse. He backs up a pace and drops off the document. Then, as if nothing happened, he walks away soundlessly (soundless regarding the car sounds, he wears very puffy Osiris shoes that are pretty noisy with how he walks)

.... do you work for me?

Space Kablooey posted:

is your boss 5 years old or does he work with 5 year olds

sometimes it feels like both so yes.

also if you dont occasionally pretend to power slide up to someone you are missing out.

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
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Our desks are right near the office door and it's usually unlocked so sometimes I like to suddenly kick the door open and Kramer in with a 'GOODMORNINGEVERYONEHOWAREYOUTODAY!?!' and they jump out of their seats and yell 'gently caress!' and then we get on with it.

Everett False
Sep 28, 2006

Mopsy, I'm starting to question your medical credentials.

Booty Pageant posted:

not my work but i really wonder how many workplaces redundantly take one printed out spreadsheet and put it into excel. repeat everyday to the point it's someone's job

So, so many.

The other day the deputy treasurer needed to get numbers to someone, so I emailed her the Excel file. She printed it out and scanned it to send the resulting PDF to the person who wanted the Excel file. I do not think it occurred to her at any point that she could just save the Excel file, or even just forward my email. If the file isn't in the server folder for the scanner, she doesn't know where it is or what to do with it. She is in her early thirties.

I regularly watch her do math on a printing calculator and then take the paper strip from it to enter into Excel.

Sarah Problem
Sep 24, 2002

Because, if you confess with your mouth that Witten is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved

Everett False posted:

So, so many.

The other day the deputy treasurer needed to get numbers to someone, so I emailed her the Excel file. She printed it out and scanned it to send the resulting PDF to the person who wanted the Excel file. I do not think it occurred to her at any point that she could just save the Excel file, or even just forward my email. If the file isn't in the server folder for the scanner, she doesn't know where it is or what to do with it. She is in her early thirties.

I regularly watch her do math on a printing calculator and then take the paper strip from it to enter into Excel.



There is no way someone in their early 30s uses a printing calculator. I refuse to believe this.

Baron Fuzzlewhack
Sep 22, 2010

ALIVE ENOUGH TO DIE

Sarah Problem posted:

There is no way someone in their early 30s uses a printing calculator. I refuse to believe this.

I love silly old tech and I'm in my early thirties and I would never touch one of these things even if I was getting paid to touch one.

Jack-Off Lantern
Mar 2, 2012

I'd gently caress it if they'd pay me enough

I'd find a way

Cthulu Carl
Apr 16, 2006

I'd use a printing calculator happily.

But only one of the old ones with a big lever.

Just 8 hours a day in the cube farm making super loud typing noises punctuated by louder "Ka-CHUCK" when I yank that lever. No one will bother me.

GI_Clutch
Aug 22, 2000

by Fluffdaddy
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Adding machines are awesome. My dad's office still had one in the 80s and I'd play with it when I visited (as well as make copies of drawing I made on the copier, of course).

Ironhead
Jan 19, 2005

Ironhead. Mmm.


I'm in my early 30's and I have a printing calculator sitting on my drafting table. I find it really useful to be able to review what the hell I'm doing and double check for mistakes. I also use graph paper and hand draw most of builds.

TehRedWheelbarrow
Mar 16, 2011



Fan of Britches
i have a TI calculator on my desk I regularly use

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

Ironhead posted:

I'm in my early 30's and I have a printing calculator sitting on my drafting table. I find it really useful to be able to review what the hell I'm doing and double check for mistakes. I also use graph paper and hand draw most of builds.

You mean 130's, right?

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
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Jack-Off Lantern posted:

I'd gently caress it if they'd pay me enough

I'd find a way

I'll gently caress it for $200 but I'll need a day or two to come up with the money.

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
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Everett False posted:

So, so many.

The other day the deputy treasurer needed to get numbers to someone, so I emailed her the Excel file. She printed it out and scanned it to send the resulting PDF to the person who wanted the Excel file. I do not think it occurred to her at any point that she could just save the Excel file, or even just forward my email. If the file isn't in the server folder for the scanner, she doesn't know where it is or what to do with it. She is in her early thirties.

I regularly watch her do math on a printing calculator and then take the paper strip from it to enter into Excel.



Wait up.

Your deputy treasurer? LMAO

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

Everett False posted:

So, so many.

The other day the deputy treasurer needed to get numbers to someone, so I emailed her the Excel file. She printed it out and scanned it to send the resulting PDF to the person who wanted the Excel file. I do not think it occurred to her at any point that she could just save the Excel file, or even just forward my email. If the file isn't in the server folder for the scanner, she doesn't know where it is or what to do with it. She is in her early thirties.

I regularly watch her do math on a printing calculator and then take the paper strip from it to enter into Excel.



I remember back in the olden times (~2001) taking a college intro to computers course to fulfill a stupid degree requirement. Day one, we’re parked in front of our individual classroom PCs, and the teacher stands up from his desk, flips on the projector that is showing his desktop, and opens the syllabus saying “ok class, here’s the syllabus. I don’t have copies, so take notes.”

I right click the desktop, create a new text file, and start copying the syllabus. Every other student in the class reached down into their bags and got out a notepad and pen. I started laughing, and it made the teacher laugh. The two of us alone understood how silly the whole loving thing was.

These people are among us. Many of them are bosses, for some loving reason.

naem
May 29, 2011


Everett False posted:

So, so many.

The other day the deputy treasurer needed to get numbers to someone, so I emailed her the Excel file. She printed it out and scanned it to send the resulting PDF to the person who wanted the Excel file. I do not think it occurred to her at any point that she could just save the Excel file, or even just forward my email. If the file isn't in the server folder for the scanner, she doesn't know where it is or what to do with it. She is in her early thirties.

I regularly watch her do math on a printing calculator and then take the paper strip from it to enter into Excel.



this sounds exactly like the place I started my current career track at just under a decade ago. I owed my then job to the fact that the person who hired me didn’t even know what a PDF was and had relied on someone else to scan printed spreadsheet pages to email for them lol.

Anyone even mildly pc competent was mentally slotted in the elderly management’s minds as an “assistant” unworthy of career advancement and they kept hiring fellow retirement aged people to lead, all of whom quit to, you know, retire, or literally died at their desk

I really enjoyed leaving that place

naem
May 29, 2011

Cheesus posted:

Oh don't forget the followup:

Update: This process is still in use at the org in question and it turns out to be even worse than it first seemed. To get a high score you need to answer the same way they did.

Perfect if you want an army of ambitious people focused on career progression, but not so great if you need people who are suited to the variety of different roles within the org.

double posting to say that this is the other end of the spectrum, where you are either cutthroat-ing your way into early management or seen by the org as DEAD WEIGHT like, everyone is supposed to be management?

if everyone who matters is management then who is supposed to be doing the work the business is based on, and why would you treat them like, morally bad people for focusing on their talents?

I know someone who is a phenomenal programmer who keeps getting promoted into management roles where he is expected now to be good at dealing with people issues, due to the fact that he programs well.

He isn’t allowed to program. so the project suffers without him focusing on code, and they keep expecting him to solve this by talking a lot at people he manages, who are not as good as programming as he is.

He ends up writing all the code himself after work lol

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



naem posted:

double posting to say that this is the other end of the spectrum, where you are either cutthroat-ing your way into early management or seen by the org as DEAD WEIGHT like, everyone is supposed to be management?

if everyone who matters is management then who is supposed to be doing the work the business is based on, and why would you treat them like, morally bad people for focusing on their talents?

I know someone who is a phenomenal programmer who keeps getting promoted into management roles where he is expected now to be good at dealing with people issues, due to the fact that he programs well.

He isn’t allowed to program. so the project suffers without him focusing on code, and they keep expecting him to solve this by talking a lot at people he manages, who are not as good as programming as he is.

He ends up writing all the code himself after work lol

One of the highest compliments I got at an old job was that I "was a computer guy who was also a people person," because apparently that is a loving unicorn.

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
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naem posted:


He isn’t allowed to program. so the project suffers without him focusing on code, and they keep expecting him to solve this by talking a lot at people he manages, who are not as good as programming as he is.

He ends up writing all the code himself after work lol

If he was a good manager he'd hire a manager for a coding position and delegate the management duties to his coder so he can work on code.

Work dumber not stupider.

duffmensch
Feb 20, 2004

Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem!

CaptainSarcastic posted:

One of the highest compliments I got at an old job was that I "was a computer guy who was also a people person," because apparently that is a loving unicorn.

Depending on the field, it can be. I’ve known some incredibly intelligent people with zero social skills and then there are people with great social skills and little technical aptitude and it makes life a lot easier when you find someone with both.

My personal favorite was a guy who thought that social pleasantries were optional during an interview. I didn’t accept the job offer and provided the recruiter that it was that individual and that his management felt this was acceptable that tanked it for me.

BitBasher
Jun 6, 2004

You've got to know the rules before you can break 'em. Otherwise, it's no fun.


CaptainSarcastic posted:

One of the highest compliments I got at an old job was that I "was a computer guy who was also a people person," because apparently that is a loving unicorn.

Yep. See also coders who can write a good interface. Many think they can, the ones that actually can are unicorns.

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer
Good interface is hard. Hire specialists.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

goatface posted:

Good interface is hard. Hire specialists.

One of my recurring fever dreams is if the FAA ever let an independent UI specialist come in and overhaul ERAM. Imagine something designed by a committee comprised fifty percent of managers who have never and will never actually use the product, and fifty percent end users who think they know what they want, but wouldn’t know competent UI design if it sat on their face and wiggled. That’s ERAM.

Now farm out development to the lowest bidder who also owns enough congresscritters to guarantee their bid is selected, with contracts written by government lawyers who have zero incentive to ensure a responsive development cycle.

Needless to say it’s a human factors nightmare with incredibly long lead times for even extremely basic new-feature integration.

Zil
Jun 4, 2011

Satanically Summoned Citrus


goatface posted:

Good interface is hard. Hire specialists.

GUIs are my passion

Armitag3
Mar 15, 2020

Forget it Jake, it's cybertown.


Zil posted:

GUIs are my passion



i wish this is where we were

Cheesus
Oct 17, 2002

Let us retract the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wirebrush of enlightenment.
Yam Slacker

naem posted:

He ends up writing all the code himself after work lol
The system is working as intended.

boar guy
Jan 25, 2007

the 65 year old fuckface dipshit i work with has been carrying 'making 2 email signatures' as a leankit card for 3 weeks

imagine being so god drat incompetent. i feel less guilty every day about doing my job in the first 35 minutes of the morning

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

CaptainSarcastic posted:

One of the highest compliments I got at an old job was that I "was a computer guy who was also a people person," because apparently that is a loving unicorn.

Lol it took me a while to realize many of my IT coworkers were socially dysfunctional and hate talking to end users. I know that's nothing new and an old stereotype but my manager was telling me other depts kept mentioning they liked how I would answer their emails promptly and didn't mind talking on the phone which I guess put me in the top 1%?

boar guy posted:

the 65 year old fuckface dipshit i work with has been carrying 'making 2 email signatures' as a leankit card for 3 weeks

imagine being so god drat incompetent. i feel less guilty every day about doing my job in the first 35 minutes of the morning

Dang that is bad. I had a coworker in that demographic who would brag about how set he was for retirement and "accidentally" leave his bank statements up on his computer screen to try to make people jealous and loudly discuss his plans to live at his vacation home several hours away. It's like ok whatever. Then after he left he kept being spotted wandering our hallways and trying to talk to people in their cubicles. Slow realization he had nothing going on his personal life and couldn't think of a better way to spend his time than to keep showing up somewhere he no longer worked to bother people who he hadn't really been building bridges with.

Non Krampus Mentis
Oct 17, 2011

Scrungus Bungus from the planet Grongous
Told my boss at the staff meeting that I was feeling overwhelmed because the procedures for recipes keep changing.

Came in today to a completely rearranged kitchen and not one but two changes in procedure for the simplest loving recipe we offer, making it a process that now requires substantially more babysitting. :psypop:

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Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
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Have you tried processing your boss through a woodchipper?

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