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Invalid Validation posted:Black flecks are from using the true power. I think he used it to free himself from Semirage so it might be part of that but it’s probably both. Doesn’t the DO directly control the True Power? As in: choose who he grants or denies access to it?
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He's linked to Moridin
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Apr 18, 2022 01:59
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It's also entirely possible the Dark One permitted Rand to use the True Power. Hoped it would contribute to his corruption.
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Apr 18, 2022 02:02
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The order of things was: Rand goes to meet "Tuon", it's actually Semirhage, she fireballs his hand, Nynaeve heals him with the aforementioned conversation about his eyes (maybe saa from Moridin? or maybe just an aftereffect of him getting hosed up by a fireball at close range) Semirhage is captured Semirhage gets free, captures Rand, he true power balefires and thus begins the dark rand period So no, can't be his own saa at that first one.
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I thought he accessed it in a previous book but I can’t remember for sure.
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Apr 18, 2022 02:06
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It says him and LTT both reached for the source at the same time and jostled each other aside. Semirhage flings the fireball but he can‘t dodge because Min is right behind him so he flings his arm up while still struggling for the source then the world explodes in flame. “His cheek was pressed against the damp ground, he realized. Black flecks shimmered in his vision, and everything seemed faintly hazy, as if seen through water. Where was he? What had happened? His head felt stuffed with wool.” It mentions the black flecks twice and his vision being hosed up twice I assumed he had seized the true power and shielded himself somehow.. Hexel fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Apr 18, 2022 |
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Apr 18, 2022 02:13
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Spek posted:It's also entirely possible the Dark One permitted Rand to use the True Power. Hoped it would contribute to his corruption. The dark one doesn't have a choice about it, because the dark one is an illusion. Rand must be able to access the true power because otherwise he can't make the choice. The dark one cannot unmake itself, and that is its desired outcome, a world where it does not exist because free will does not exist.
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Hexel posted:So Rand just lost his hand to Semirhage and Nynaeve is delving him and she says there’s something wrong with his eyes: Yes.
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Gully Foyle posted:People were freaking out because matches were invented later on in-book by Aludra (the ex-Illuminator that Mat rescues, who gave him the fireworks that he used to blow his way into the Stone) - Tam should not have had matches, especially out in the boonies. Is the show even going to include the "wacky good guy stumbles into inventing guns" storyline? I feel like modern audiences are a lot less likely to connote guns with either wacky or good than a white Southerner was 30 years ago. If they're cutting the gunpowder thing then it doesn't matter whether Tam has matches or not.
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Apr 18, 2022 03:16
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I’d be very disappointed if it got dropped. Most of the story is Mat having an unhealthy relationship with fireworks.
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Ponsonby Britt posted:Is the show even going to include the "wacky good guy stumbles into inventing guns" storyline? I feel like modern audiences are a lot less likely to connote guns with either wacky or good than a white Southerner was 30 years ago. If they're cutting the gunpowder thing then it doesn't matter whether Tam has matches or not. As opposed to what? The battlefield remaining dominated by the special few with massive inborn superior powers? Eh, I don't think "clever good guy without magic weaponizes fireworks to fight wizards and monsters" will play an inch worse with modern audiences than it would have in the 1990s.
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Apr 18, 2022 05:00
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Even though Mat and Aludra are super happy about blowing poo poo up there's several characters that point out that the weaponization of gunpowder is going to cause a lot of misery down the road. Birgitte specifically. And Aviendha's future vision in part shows how grim things will be when the Seanchan empire gets its hands on it. I think it's actually a clever piece of the story, while it's cool to see a premodern society industrialize and mow down hordes of Trollocs with grape shot this innovation is setting up the wars of the ages to come.
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CainsDescendant posted:Even though Mat and Aludra are super happy about blowing poo poo up there's several characters that point out that the weaponization of gunpowder is going to cause a lot of misery down the road. Birgitte specifically. And Aviendha's future vision in part shows how grim things will be when the Seanchan empire gets its hands on it. I think it's actually a clever piece of the story, while it's cool to see a premodern society industrialize and mow down hordes of Trollocs with grape shot this innovation is setting up the wars of the ages to come. That's definitely true. But it's just one of a long list of "this development to win the war against the Shadow will probably cause misery of its own in the age of human problems to come" developments. It's well behind Dumai's Wells and literally any compromise with the Seanchan on that front.
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Ponsonby Britt posted:Is the show even going to include the "wacky good guy stumbles into inventing guns" storyline? I feel like modern audiences are a lot less likely to connote guns with either wacky or good than a white Southerner was 30 years ago. If they're cutting the gunpowder thing then it doesn't matter whether Tam has matches or not. I.... don't think this will be an issue.
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Apr 18, 2022 06:42
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gently caress it just give Mat howitzers and a minigun 
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It's an interesting aspect of the story and forms part of the worldbuilding, the ending of an age/lost knowledge and technology being rediscovered but new things also emerging/etc. which is one of the things that sets WoT apart from a lot of fantasy it seems to me. I don't expect the show to touch it though. Speaking of which, this is probably an age-old argument but it came up on Nerdy Wordy book club recently; how did the explosion from Matt's bundle of fireworks manage to damage the Stone, which I think we're told was built using the Power and designed to withstand attacks with the Power?
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El Grillo posted:It's an interesting aspect of the story and forms part of the worldbuilding, the ending of an age/lost knowledge and technology being rediscovered but new things also emerging/etc. which is one of the things that sets WoT apart from a lot of fantasy it seems to me. I don't expect the show to touch it though. It wasn't really designed to withstand attacks from the power iirc, just that it was built so well and strong that no army could take it. The only thing the power can't do anything to is heartstone.
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It was also a big bundle of fireworks jammed inside a little arrow slit where it could transfer the maximum amount of force into the fortifications, and all it did there was enlarge it so that a person could fit through it. Good chance that they'd have done absolutely nothing if they'd just been piled up against the wall somewhere.
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Hexel posted:gently caress it just give Mat howitzers and a minigun No, give Nynaeve a gun. What could possibly go wrong with that?
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She's shot her braid off!
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:She's shot her braid off! I think you mean shot everyone and then healed them and then cursed them out for getting shot.
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Mad Hamish posted:No, give Nynaeve a gun. What could possibly go wrong with that? Unsurprisingly, there's a meme for that  
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rocketrobot posted:I think you mean shot everyone and then healed them and then cursed them out for getting shot. 
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Man, imagine if she'd just brought one of Aludra's firearms with her to the final confrontation with the dark one and she just shot the forsaken Rand was facing off against.
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Apr 18, 2022 21:45
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Lmao at Loial's  wedding
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It's a pretty biotruths series, which is fine as long as you can accept the premise.
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Least he’s not real preachey about it and at least men are the corrupted ones.
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What I like about the whole "guns vs. magic" thing is that it, like much else in WoT, ends up being cyclical. It's strongly implied that the First Age (our own, with Mosk vs Merc, Anla the Wise Councillor and the like) ended with the discovery of magic and channelling becoming the dominant power. And in the books, the Third Age ends with technology on the rise and magic in decline, reversing that switch. After all, it isn't Damane that bring down the Aiel in Aviendha's future...it's Rakenriders with guns.
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They have been basically weeding out channeling in men and women for centuries so that would make sense.
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jng2058 posted:What I like about the whole "guns vs. magic" thing is that it, like much else in WoT, ends up being cyclical. It's strongly implied that the First Age (our own, with Mosk vs Merc, Anla the Wise Councillor and the like) ended with the discovery of magic and channelling becoming the dominant power. And in the books, the Third Age ends with technology on the rise and magic in decline, reversing that switch. After all, it isn't Damane that bring down the Aiel in Aviendha's future...it's Rakenriders with guns. The really amazing thing is that even a thread about WOT winds up being cyclical.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:The really amazing thing is that even a thread about WOT winds up being cyclical. It wasn't the beginning of the thread, but it was a beginning.
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jng2058 posted:What I like about the whole "guns vs. magic" thing is that it, like much else in WoT, ends up being cyclical. It's strongly implied that the First Age (our own, with Mosk vs Merc, Anla the Wise Councillor and the like) ended with the discovery of magic and channelling becoming the dominant power. And in the books, the Third Age ends with technology on the rise and magic in decline, reversing that switch. After all, it isn't Damane that bring down the Aiel in Aviendha's future...it's Rakenriders with guns. Don't forget about the train!
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Invalid Validation posted:They have been basically weeding out channeling in men and women for centuries so that would make sense. The main point of view organization has been weeding them out. But even up until the very end the Aiel were still sending dudes into the Blight if they found out they could channel. The Black Tower got as big as it did because now there was someone around to test them and teach them if they wanted so there will be a lot more male channelers in the near future. The Windfinders and the Aiel finding every single woman who could channel showed just how dumb the Aes Sedai were about that. I saw it as more of a balance type thing, with magic or tech alternately dominating and sometimes being used together. The next age would have a bit of both, and then it would decline at the end.
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The flood of novices to Salidar when Egwene expanded the testing criteria pretty explicitly counters that one Aes Sedai's culling theory, I think. It's not that the ability wasn't there in the wider population, it's that the White Tower's recruitment policies were atrocious. Probably intentionally atrocious, tbh. Much easier to keep a smaller, more selected group under the Shadow's thumb.
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seaborgium posted:The main point of view organization has been weeding them out. But even up until the very end the Aiel were still sending dudes into the Blight if they found out they could channel. The Black Tower got as big as it did because now there was someone around to test them and teach them if they wanted so there will be a lot more male channelers in the near future. The Windfinders and the Aiel finding every single woman who could channel showed just how dumb the Aes Sedai were about that. Yeah, that makes sense to me. First Age (Now) = All Tech. Second Age (AoL) = Tech + Magic, Tech in decline. Third Age (Books) = All Magic. Fourth Age (After the Books) = Magic + Tech, Magic in decline. Fifth Age (New First Age?) = All Tech. Etc, etc, etc. I think it works.
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You forgot dinosaurs
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:You forgot dinosaurs They evolved out Raken and other Seanchan lizard monsters, obviously. 
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:You forgot dinosaurs Lies by the dark one
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I'm guessing the 6th age is Elan actually winning and killing off humanity, then the 7th is reevolving via dinosaurs
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I'm guessing the 6th age is Elan actually winning and killing off humanity, then the 7th is reevolving via dinosaurs I have won again, Lews Therin.
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