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goatsestretchgoals
Jun 4, 2011

The website is written in Perl and they can’t figure out which section of line noise controls that behavior.

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Escape From Noise
Jul 27, 2004

Another bottling day and once again I am having violent fantasies about throwing the bottling machine down a hill and savagely beating it with sticks and stones.

Armitag3
Mar 15, 2020

Forget it Jake, it's cybertown.


Escape From Noise posted:

Another bottling day and once again I am having violent fantasies about throwing the bottling machine down a hill and savagely beating it with sticks and stones.

cause it’s die motherfucker die motherfucker still

champagne posting
Apr 5, 2006

YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER


Barudak posted:

I need a new link to one page of the website. It is the same page, I just need the link changed so when sent there it flags you as being returning when you click the link instead of being new which is what it is doing at the moment.

IT believes this cannot be delivered any earlier than June and, you know, while I know gently caress all about computers I can see in the link they sent me to use has a little blurb of "new=true" so I have a feeling it might not be super hard to fix this but I want some outside opinions before I get too lovely.

it might take a couple of hours to fix or maybe even a day

But when that day is gonna land depends on what else the people are doing

Escape From Noise posted:

Another bottling day and once again I am having violent fantasies about throwing the bottling machine down a hill and savagely beating it with sticks and stones.

What machine is it and did your boss decide to save a few bucks by buying it used instead of getting a modern machine?

Barudak
May 7, 2007

My new link can be delivered by "mid-june at the earliest"

Atopian
Sep 23, 2014

I need a security perimeter with Venetian blinds.

Barudak posted:

My new link can be delivered by "mid-june at the earliest"

Look, first they have to do background research to establish the landforms and geographical history that are most likely to result in seams of link-bearing ore. Then the surveys, the land-use rights negotiations, environmental impact, the mining operation itself.

After that, the smelting and/or fining, followed by casting and delivery of your pristine link.

Honestly it's impressive that they're able to commit to a timeline this decade.

Escape From Noise
Jul 27, 2004

champagne posting posted:

What machine is it and did your boss decide to save a few bucks by buying it used instead of getting a modern machine?

It's a newer Chinese made bottler from our supplier. It has it's issues, but it makes sense for our size. Basically the issue was that I tried to run the beer through like I had with the Meheen I got clear beer off of the racking arm, but this machine is a bit more sensitive it got clogged up so I had to restart and clean everything. That was kind of my mistake. The other side of the equation is that they wanted me to bottle the entire tank and are upset at the amount of loss. I don't think they're upset at me, but they were expecting more. I tried to tell them that you get more lost with bottling but...

Stoatbringer
Sep 15, 2004

naw, you love it you little ho-bot :roboluv:

Barudak posted:

I need a new link to one page of the website. It is the same page, I just need the link changed so when sent there it flags you as being returning when you click the link instead of being new which is what it is doing at the moment.

IT believes this cannot be delivered any earlier than June and, you know, while I know gently caress all about computers I can see in the link they sent me to use has a little blurb of "new=true" so I have a feeling it might not be super hard to fix this but I want some outside opinions before I get too lovely.

Speaking as a web developer, every aspect of web development is utter garbage, and mostly consists of a house of cards made of smoke and mirrors to pretend that browsers and javascript aren't completely unsuited to running any sort of serious application.

Stoatbringer
Sep 15, 2004

naw, you love it you little ho-bot :roboluv:

Escape From Noise posted:

Another bottling day and once again I am having violent fantasies about throwing the bottling machine down a hill and savagely beating it with sticks and stones.

Escape From Noise
Jul 27, 2004


Plz don't doxx me.

Splicer
Oct 16, 2006

from hell's heart I cast at thee
🧙🐀🧹🌙🪄🐸

Escape From Noise posted:

Another bottling day and once again I am having violent fantasies about throwing the bottling machine down a hill and savagely beating it with sticks and stones.
Don't bottle things up

Escape From Noise
Jul 27, 2004

Splicer posted:

Don't bottle things up

I wish it were up to me because I wouldn't.

Lazyfire
Feb 4, 2006

God saves. Satan Invests

Sonic Dude posted:

My current company (Fortune 500, ~$5bn market cap) does a quarterly “ask the CEO questions on a Zoom call” thing, which to their credit is more actual interaction than any of us got out of the president of my old company, which had 30 employees. 90% of the “questions” are obvious plants (someone with a fake name asking “I love this company, you’re doing a great job!” for example), but some are actually useful information.

This most recent time, a person with absolute balls of steel asked non-anonymously if they could get a raise and be paid what they could get by jumping ship to any other company, or if market-rate salaries were reserved for new hires with zero experience. I have no idea who the person was who asked it, but they are my work hero.

And yes, the answer was basically “money is for external hires, not the likes of you people.” They are truly baffled about why turnover is so high.

It's Town Hall season for my company and during the Zoom calls you are encouraged to ask questions that will be answered either in chat by a moderator or at the end by the presenter. Every one of them I've been on, from the business unit level to the call for our specific job function, has had multiple people threaten to walk if they don't see more money. The company clearly went into these calls knowing that this was a point of contention because there was a canned response "We provided an adjustment at the end of 2021 to better align employees' experience and skills with the market rates. We've returned to providing both yearly raises and bonuses at the same level as before COVID..." In response people started listing their adjustment and raise percentages in chat and comparing those numbers to inflation. It got so bad that the All Hands last week had time carved out to assure everyone that there would be another adjustment this year once the full extent of the year-over-year inflation was understood. Like a year ago a lot of the people demanding they get paid more because the cost of living was shooting up would have called you a socialist for demanding the same.

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
:roboluv: :love: :roboluv:

Slayerjerman posted:


At another company, I was basically the CEO's assistant to babysit the other employees when he would go away for days or weeks. Anyway, we were hiring for a critical role and a great candidate fell into our lap. Boss asks me to do the salary negotiations. Candidate says he wanted 80k, etc. When boss got back, I said the dude was absolutely perfect and wanted 110k, min (a lie, obv.). Candidate got hired at 110 and was almost in tears and busted rear end for us.

You're the real MVP




HR is basically a union for the company, and unions are basically HR for the employees. Need to have both.

Dr. Gargunza
May 19, 2011

He damned me for a eunuch,
and my mother for a whore.



Fun Shoe
I just happened to check the attendee list for our weekly Teams meeting, and a guy who left the company over a month ago is still listed as an active participant. This is not the only former employee still listed as having contact info, etc. active; our office manager retired just before the pandemic, and still hasn't been replaced, yet his email and voice mail are still active in the system.

...Which I'm actually okay with. It really comes in handy when, say, we get an obvious sales pitch or other cold call and I need a dead voicemail inbox to send them to, so as not to bother our existing managers. Make the incompetence work for you!

Escape From Noise
Jul 27, 2004

Today was the day from Hell. loving crap. I have a meeting tomorrow morning so yay. Need to explain why you get more loss with bottling and while the losses on the last run were pretty bad, that beer in particular is always going to have a bunch of loss and isn't a viable beer for constant production. Also we need to stick to a production schedule and stop wedging in brewing that beer because the process for making it is a pain in the rear end and loving with the production schedule fucks up the flow, that we need to start ordering ingredients for more than one beer at a time, and that we need to stop promising everyone in the company bottles of stuff because we have a very limited volume and they're running it like we're like four times the size. They tend to listen but it takes a while to get through to the entire corporate structure. I wish owners would understand that you're better off limiting bottling at a smaller scale, especially with a small scale bottler.

Tex Avery
Feb 13, 2012

Outrail posted:

HR is basically a union for the company, and unions are basically HR for the employees. Need to have both.

No, they absolutely are not. HR is there to mitigate circumstances that might allow an employee or former employee to sue the company. HR is not your friend. While they can do good things, they are no substitute for a union. HR will not negotiate a new contract to establish working conditions; they will merely enact a new contract without having to get input. The fact that this can happen is why you need union representation.

Splicer
Oct 16, 2006

from hell's heart I cast at thee
🧙🐀🧹🌙🪄🐸

Tex Avery posted:

No, they absolutely are not. HR is there to mitigate circumstances that might allow an employee or former employee to sue the company. HR is not your friend. While they can do good things, they are no substitute for a union. HR will not negotiate a new contract to establish working conditions; they will merely enact a new contract without having to get input. The fact that this can happen is why you need union representation.
They mean that HR is to Company as Union is to Worker, which is why going to Company HR for Worker Union stuff is a terrible, terrible idea.

Silly Newbie
Jul 25, 2007
How do I?

Tex Avery posted:

No, they absolutely are not. HR is there to mitigate circumstances that might allow an employee or former employee to sue the company. HR is not your friend. While they can do good things, they are no substitute for a union. HR will not negotiate a new contract to establish working conditions; they will merely enact a new contract without having to get input. The fact that this can happen is why you need union representation.

That's what the post is saying. HR is a union for the company (to protect their interests) and union is HR for the employees (to protect their interests, get them paid, and keep them treated well).

Ironhead
Jan 19, 2005

Ironhead. Mmm.


I don't know how it works elsewhere, but I would never go to HR for any serious reason other than like, updating a W2. I go to my Union Steward, and he would go to HR with me if he thought it was necessary.

Neito
Feb 18, 2009

😌Finally, an avatar the describes my love of tech❤️‍💻, my love of anime💖🎎, and why I'll never see a real girl 🙆‍♀️naked😭.

Ironhead posted:

I don't know how it works elsewhere, but I would never go to HR for any serious reason other than like, updating a W2. I go to my Union Steward, and he would go to HR with me if he thought it was necessary.

Look at this guy, with his "Union Steward" and "Livable wage" and "lack of crippling anxiety about losing his job at a second's notice because we live in a caplitalist hellscape".

Tex Avery
Feb 13, 2012
I apparently lack reading comprehension and deserved that call out. Sorry, outrail.

Ironhead
Jan 19, 2005

Ironhead. Mmm.


Neito posted:

Look at this guy, with his "Union Steward" and "Livable wage" and "lack of crippling anxiety about losing his job at a second's notice because we live in a caplitalist hellscape".

Haha I wish. I work in the entertainment industry. I happen to have a relatively steady job because of my position, but it's very much a week to week scheduling process. Despite being with this company for about 6 years, and a department head for 3 of them, I am technically an hourly employee with no guarantee of the next gig.

Our particular local is essentially a temp labor agency, with very expensive and well trained temps.

But yes, in general, unions are good.

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
:roboluv: :love: :roboluv:

Tex Avery posted:

I apparently lack reading comprehension and deserved that call out. Sorry, outrail.

Too late I'm calling my rep!

No dramas :)

Neito posted:

Look at this guy, with his "Union Steward" and "Livable wage" and "lack of crippling anxiety about losing his job at a second's notice because we live in a caplitalist hellscape".

He's just trolling nobody has that stuff, can your uncle get me a job at Nintendo too?

MadDogMike
Apr 9, 2008

Cute but fanged

Armitag3 posted:

cause it’s die motherfucker die motherfucker still

I am still highly amused that at one point when our fax machine was acting up I brought that song up on my iPod and played it next to it, and immediately afterwards my fax went through that thing absolutely perfectly :D.

Escape From Noise
Jul 27, 2004

Yesterday, midway through my 13 hour day from Hell, I was cleaning out the bottler again to fix the issue caused by a clogged valve when I was told one of the middle managers wanted to speak with me. He insisted I go speak to him in the back where he yammered on about getting the run done that day, estemated times, etc.

This morning I asked why he wouldn't come talk to me in the brewery and it turns out he was mad at me because I said that I could get it done at a certain time so I guess insisting I come to him was some bullshit power move. He's very mild mannered so it's not like he dressed me down but good job pulling me away from fixing the issue so you can pull rank or whatever! I always thought he was an alright guy but he can suckle mine freaking balls!

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
:roboluv: :love: :roboluv:

Escape From Noise posted:

Yesterday, midway through my 13 hour day from Hell, I was cleaning out the bottler again to fix the issue caused by a clogged valve when I was told one of the middle managers wanted to speak with me. He insisted I go speak to him in the back where he yammered on about getting the run done that day, estemated times, etc.

This morning I asked why he wouldn't come talk to me in the brewery and it turns out he was mad at me because I said that I could get it done at a certain time so I guess insisting I come to him was some bullshit power move. He's very mild mannered so it's not like he dressed me down but good job pulling me away from fixing the issue so you can pull rank or whatever! I always thought he was an alright guy but he can suckle mine freaking balls!

Pot kettle black and all that but you sound as stressed as I feel and if that's the case please look for another job before you have a stroke.

We had 1st aid re-cert last week and during the heart attack/stroke section the instructor was going on about stress being a major issue and my two minions kept side eying me and now they keep bringing it up as a safety concern. The turds.

Escape From Noise
Jul 27, 2004

Outrail posted:

Pot kettle black and all that but you sound as stressed as I feel and if that's the case please look for another job before you have a stroke.

We had 1st aid re-cert last week and during the heart attack/stroke section the instructor was going on about stress being a major issue and my two minions kept side eying me and now they keep bringing it up as a safety concern. The turds.

Yesterday just went really really badly. Dealing with a bottling machine is never fun when things go wrong and you kind of have to work through it to the end or you face massive losses and spoiled product. At least I have very little to do for the rest of the week.

Edit: Also this guy isn't like really in charge of me and he is way too soft spoken to have really laid into me or anything. I've just lost all respect for him.

Escape From Noise fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Apr 19, 2022

Atopian
Sep 23, 2014

I need a security perimeter with Venetian blinds.
I know the feeling.
I'm very tolerant of a lot of workplace bullshit, but people consciously causing real productivity delays just to satisfy personal feelings / whims deeply irritates me. Either we are here to get something done, or not.

Escape From Noise
Jul 27, 2004

Atopian posted:

I know the feeling.
I'm very tolerant of a lot of workplace bullshit, but people consciously causing real productivity delays just to satisfy personal feelings / whims deeply irritates me. Either we are here to get something done, or not.

Yeah, that's my thing, especially since there were already significant delays due to technical issues and he was mad at me for them. I did make a mistake doing something on this machine that I could do on other bottling machines and canners I've used in the past, and I worked to correct it. What really chaps my rear end is apparently he was saying I had acted like I could do this but it was actually beyond my abilities. Motherfucker, how about you come in here and run the bottling machine. Then I want you to take full responsibility for all the broken bottles, low fills, disolved oxygen causing spoilage, and any damage to the equipment. That or stick with what you know and go back to being the buffer between upper management and the part timers.

Escape From Noise fucked around with this message at 10:28 on Apr 19, 2022

Dr. Gargunza
May 19, 2011

He damned me for a eunuch,
and my mother for a whore.



Fun Shoe
I tell ya, there's nothing like coming into work & spending the first half hour with the rooftop HVAC system going deafeningly berserk for a full half hour before anyone did anything about it. Taking calls in this environment is headache-inducing enough without the sound of an aggro jet engine right overhead.

Cthulu Carl
Apr 16, 2006

We've had a rash of users bringing us PCs that have bugs crawling out of the keyboards (it's about 2-3 per month, wtf people?), Facilities has given us an "oven" (basically a collapsible insulated tent with a tiny space heater) and we've decided that any laptop that gets brought in for us to fix gets chucked in the oven for a half hour.

It gets up to 140 degrees so there's a part of me that wants to try making jerky in it.

champagne posting
Apr 5, 2006

YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER


Cthulu Carl posted:

We've had a rash of users bringing us PCs that have bugs crawling out of the keyboards (it's about 2-3 per month, wtf people?), Facilities has given us an "oven" (basically a collapsible insulated tent with a tiny space heater) and we've decided that any laptop that gets brought in for us to fix gets chucked in the oven for a half hour.

It gets up to 140 degrees so there's a part of me that wants to try making jerky in it.

That’s their solution? “Here you go your laptop is full of dead bugs now enjoy”?

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!
It's a drat sight better than live bugs in my laptop.

Tarkus
Aug 27, 2000

Live bugs in MY keyboard? It's more likely than you think!

Cthulu Carl
Apr 16, 2006

champagne posting posted:

That’s their solution? “Here you go your laptop is full of dead bugs now enjoy”?

We actually masked for this. Especially after the dude gave us a computer filled with bed bugs and the decided to infest a wing on the second floor with them while he waited for us to fix whatever the issue was (we did not fix it. We trashed the PC after a teammate saw the bed bugs crawling in his desk, got the gently caress out until the exterminator confirmed everything was clear, then the bed bug dude got fired because he'd brought in bed bugs - knowingly, I should add - at least two other times).

If someone wants to bitch because they came in for a battery swap or RAM upgrade but now ant corpses are falling out of the vents, gently caress 'em.

Stoatbringer
Sep 15, 2004

naw, you love it you little ho-bot :roboluv:

https://www.theregister.com/2010/11/26/ventblockers_2/

tak
Jan 31, 2003

lol demowned
Grimey Drawer

Silly Newbie posted:

That's what the post is saying. HR is a union for the company (to protect their interests) and union is HR for the employees (to protect their interests, get them paid, and keep them treated well).

That's a really good analogy

Batterypowered7
Aug 8, 2009

The mist that chills you keeps me warm.

Tarkus posted:

Live bugs in MY keyboard? It's more likely than you think!

Then you shake 'em out, cum on 'em, and eat them while posting pictures on the forums.

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Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
:roboluv: :love: :roboluv:

Cthulu Carl posted:

We actually masked for this. Especially after the dude gave us a computer filled with bed bugs and the decided to infest a wing on the second floor with them while he waited for us to fix whatever the issue was (we did not fix it. We trashed the PC after a teammate saw the bed bugs crawling in his desk, got the gently caress out until the exterminator confirmed everything was clear, then the bed bug dude got fired because he'd brought in bed bugs - knowingly, I should add - at least two other times).

If someone wants to bitch because they came in for a battery swap or RAM upgrade but now ant corpses are falling out of the vents, gently caress 'em.

Throw this garbage pile of human being into a volcano tia.


I'd rather deal with a house infested with skunk-raccoon-polar bear hybrids than see a single bedbug in my house. Fuuuuck that.

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