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HootTheOwl posted:Cool format when are we getting the cards? Reading the article might help quote:Cards will be added gradually, starting later this summer with Historic Anthology 6, which will include cards for both Historic and Explorer play.
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Explorer seems very cool and my only complaint is that it’s yet another format name for me to either forget or confuse with something else.
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soupy. posted:What did you do to these people before I started lurking O_o. I checked your posts and lol what a bunch of weirdos. It's pretty common to become needlessly hostile about card game opinions here. Welcome to the mtg thread: our gang tag is "Garbage Fire" for a reason. I'm cool with pioneer in arena or whatever they're calling it and it may get me interested again, but who knows. The last time I got into arena I really wanted to build historic then alchemy happened and I wasn't into that. So as long as I can get an eternal format without capricious retcon fuckery, I'm interested.
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Apr 22, 2022 02:31
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drat, lightly making fun of each other. Such hostility
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TotalHell posted:Explorer seems very cool and my only complaint is that it’s yet another format name for me to either forget or confuse with something else. I do enjoy the thematic consistency of the name An Explorer paves the way for Pioneers
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mandatory lesbian posted:No like, i mean literally how would we know, prerelease for new capenna has not happened yet These people were insane and thought they could discern this information BEFORE the event and use it to gain some sort of advantage at a hyper casual format meant to introduce new cards. I hope you can see why I don't miss this type of power gaming munchkin bullshit
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kalel posted:I do enjoy the thematic consistency of the name Let’s cancel wizards because of colonialism.
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Apr 22, 2022 08:00
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https://youtu.be/3cpjMQ0VtUg Muuuussstaaaaaccchhheeeeeee Also a video about Modern
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Apr 22, 2022 08:22
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the best prerelease structure is one that has flat prizing and promos given out at random. that way everyone can build the dumbest but funniest decks they can think of without worry about their W/L
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Apr 22, 2022 08:22
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https://twitter.com/CKUnion_/status/1517214925512314880 you love to see itHope they're successful!
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Cactrot posted:Rest in Peace was included in Amonkhet Remastered. Huh, I couldn't find it when I searched for it in my collection, guess I never drafted it. Thanks.
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Pablo Nergigante posted:Reading the article might help Pattern recognition might also tell you they've made this promise over and over. Pioneer to Arena any day now. I mean, it's even In the article that it's never going to happen, lol quote:Our goal is "all the Pioneer cards that matter," so when we eventually embrace the Pioneer name on MTG Arena, you should expect us to be at a point where the decks you want to play will be available. Cards will be added gradually, starting later this summer with Historic Anthology 6, which will include cards for both Historic and Explorer play. HootTheOwl fucked around with this message at 13:32 on Apr 22, 2022 |
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Elvis_Maximus posted:https://twitter.com/CKUnion_/status/1517214925512314880 That’s dope. Signed.
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Elvis_Maximus posted:https://twitter.com/CKUnion_/status/1517214925512314880 Hell yeah
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HootTheOwl posted:Pattern recognition might also tell you they've made this promise over and over. Do you also complain that MTGO Legacy isn't real Legacy because you can't play Aladdin's Lamp?
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Barry Shitpeas posted:Do you also complain that MTGO Legacy isn't real Legacy because you can't play Aladdin's Lamp? If I brewed something up that needed an Aladdin's Lamp I would, yes. Same about Confusion in the Ranks for Modern. Or Panoptic Mirror.
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HootTheOwl posted:Pattern recognition might also tell you they've made this promise over and over. I don't understand how people can go through wotc constantly making GBS threads the bed and undermining their own decisions, and then forget it all with one nice press release. Wotc lies all the time. Every other word is a lie. They just want you to get off their back while they come up with more bullshit to throw at customers
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Barry Shitpeas posted:Do you also complain that MTGO Legacy isn't real Legacy because you can't play Aladdin's Lamp? I've always like Aladdin's Lamp because in the Arabian Nights printing they couldn't print 10 generic mana so it has two 5s in the casting cost. I expect this is a unique thing.
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Apr 22, 2022 15:00
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the "cards that matter" approach to pioneer on arena had been touted by players themselves for months. it's not an alien idea. though personally it's going to be a little jarring when I go to make a Pioneer deck on arena and there's one random uncommon that wasn't implemented but isn't replaceable. this isn't really comparable to random jank from three decades ago not being available on mtgo, there are a lot of cards in pioneer, even if most of them are different flavors of already existing cards
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Apr 22, 2022 15:09
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I think the minimum should be making sure every rare and mythic is available, even if they dont see wide-spread play theres always some fool like hootington who wants to build a deck around them, since they usually have at the lease unique effects
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Apr 22, 2022 15:17
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One thing they did say is that if you want a card to be added sooner rather than later, build a deck that includes it and put up any kind of results, because that is how they're deciding on what gets added first.
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The point is they didn't define "all the cards that matter" yet, so you can't say "they're admitting that it's never going to be real Pioneer" unless you're using the strictest definition
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Panderfringe posted:I don't understand how people can go through wotc constantly making GBS threads the bed and undermining their own decisions, and then forget it all with one nice press release. what is even the lie supposed to be here, that they're not actually going to add cards to explorer until it approximates pioneer?
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Why did they make mtga instead of upgrading mtgo?
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mtgo has a different economic model from what they want to push and is probably unsalvageable as a codebase
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Is Shaharazad in MTGO? Gonna assume no cause I would just troll people
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Koirhor posted:Is Shaharazad in MTGO? Gonna assume no cause I would just troll people it's banned in every format
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big cummers ONLY posted:Why did they make mtga instead of upgrading mtgo? The biggest reasons are probably: 1. The MTGO interface is fine (and better than MTGA's in some ways) if you're familiar with Magic, but it's a lot less intuitive to use and a lot more ugly. 2. MTGO economy is a lot less casual friendly. 3. People are more likely to try a brand new product than an upgraded product. MTGO is a totally fine program if you're a Magic sicko but its very unappealing to basically anyone else.
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i imagine being able to play on mobile was also a big part of making it its own client and lol @ doing any mtgo ui shenanigans on a tablet
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Barry Shitpeas posted:The point is they didn't define "all the cards that matter" yet, so you can't say "they're admitting that it's never going to be real Pioneer" unless you're using the strictest definition I'm using the existing remaster sets as a guide. I don't think it's unreasonable to see two of the pet cards I wanted for historic missing from it and saying "I expect them to do this again"
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Still kind of in shock that Wizards had two relatively good back to back announcements in recent weeks. There's a lot to be seen about how the Explorer to Pioneer transition will look but I'm willing to play along for the time being. fadam posted:The biggest reasons are probably: I've been playing Magic since the late 90s, and continuously since 2014, and I have basically no desire to engage with MTGO. Wizards trying to replicate the paper economy in a digital game probably made sense in 2000 but makes zero sense today, even though the digital economy of Arena is bad in its own unique ways. Like I don't think enough people acknowledge how crazy it is that an entire rental industry popped up around MTGO in the last few years, one that at this point is keeping the platform alive to a degree. That being said, if they don't bungle Explorer too hard then I'm probably done with MTGO, or at least done with rental services on MTGO.
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HootTheOwl posted:I'm using the existing remaster sets as a guide. I don't think it's unreasonable to see two of the pet cards I wanted for historic missing from it and saying "I expect them to do this again" It is if your pet cards are unreasonable
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Don’t know how popular Ross kemp is in The States but I think some of his docs did show up in the US. https://twitter.com/wizards_magiceu/status/1517419426538307584?s=21
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HootTheOwl posted:I'm using the existing remaster sets as a guide. I don't think it's unreasonable to see two of the pet cards I wanted for historic missing from it and saying "I expect them to do this again" the remaster sets had as their goal to smash multiple sets together into a smaller set with a good limited environment + i think that's different enough as a goal that i wouldn't draw the same conclusions especially when they're talking about prioritizing cards that are actually impactful if you look at the cards that weren't in amonkhet or kaladesh remastered there's definitely a few that'd be a bit much for a limited format or inserting into historic (at the time of those remastered sets' releases) but could be important enough to make it into explorer, sure
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would be pretty cool if they did a paper Pioneer masters set with a simultaneous release on arena. though I assume they won't put that in the pipeline until pioneer becomes more established as a format
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fadam posted:The biggest reasons are probably: I'm assuming there are even more reasons because it seems like a slam dunk to just import people's mtgo collections to a better, more modern client. I imagine balancing a transfer of wealth from one economy to a new one would be difficult but not impossible. And if anyone was upset that the money they put into mtgo is affected by the change, wotc could tell them to eat dicks
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kalel posted:would be pretty cool if they did a paper Pioneer masters set with a simultaneous release on arena. though I assume they won't put that in the pipeline until pioneer becomes more established as a format The inevitability of this is probably a big reason we're going to get Pioneer on Arena in the first place.
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big cummers ONLY posted:I'm assuming there are even more reasons because it seems like a slam dunk to just import people's mtgo collections to a better, more modern client. I imagine balancing a transfer of wealth from one economy to a new one would be difficult but not impossible. And if anyone was upset that the money they put into mtgo is affected by the change, wotc could tell them to eat dicks It's more that to do that you'd need to go into whatever nonsense the MTGO codebase is built on and reimplement all of it, and every weird exception needed for every weird templating rule they've ever implemented and fix the absolutely absurd number of bugs that would generate, all so that a small number of players can play with old cards they already own orrrrr Arena.
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big cummers ONLY posted:I'm assuming there are even more reasons because it seems like a slam dunk to just import people's mtgo collections to a better, more modern client. I imagine balancing a transfer of wealth from one economy to a new one would be difficult but not impossible. And if anyone was upset that the money they put into mtgo is affected by the change, wotc could tell them to eat dicks i think you don't really understand the current state of mtgo w/r/t the people that still play it, how much money they've sunk into it, and how many other people play through 'renting' cards from other people (on top of just generally underestimating the amount of work "just importing" those cards would be) IMO mtgo is in a state where the level of maintenance they do on it works fine and doing anything more complex to/with it would start a lot of fires that are better off keeping unlit
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MTGO and Arena have completely different economies. Transferring your MTGO collection into a mobile game style would torpedo the whole system. You'd have an incredible run on the market as rumours swirl that they're going to a gacha economy and people liquidate entire collections into tickets to cash out into real money while every Standard card would be sold out from every shop to do a complete set purchase from Wizards. At the end of it all there will be a ton of bagholders with sets of Power Nine that will be pissed off that everyone else can craft them for 1 rare WC per copy.
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