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Ynglaur posted:Most of the cellphone infrastructure was destroyed by the time the last journalists left. I believe Mariupol is down to satellite communications and military radios. Yeah, this is a good point. Although that map is good for showing where Russian forces are, it's not going to be great at showing where they aren't since it's a combined map of Russian SIMs and Ukranian cell tower coverage
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Almost that literally, this is a line of crystalline copium, ready to be snorted. They’re trying to say that the only reason they’re losing is that they’re fighting someone as great as themselves, but richer and more motivated. Thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time bombing our dicks off out of craven puppet hegemony scuttling rodent weakness, and bombing our dicks off by being as cool and good looking and buff as us
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https://twitter.com/ralee85/status/1524717743668346880Hieronymous Alloy posted:I was kinda thinking they'd eventually go this route. "See, the Ukrainians are basically Russians, they're little Russians, so almost as good as us, but they have all this Western support too". Here’s more of the same, from prime state news: https://twitter.com/alexey__kovalev/status/1524638692928888832 “Russian soldiers have retrieved from a base near Kherson documents confirming that western specialists and rank and file military personnel were training Ukrainian guerrillas to a NATO standard.” Like, so what?
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Almost that literally, this is a line of crystalline copium, ready to be snorted. They’re trying to say that the only reason they’re losing is that they’re fighting someone as great as themselves, but richer and more motivated. Well, I would not call that copium at all, rather a reality check. I completely agree with the statement that atm Russia is fighting someone at least as great as them, richer due to western financing and certainly more motivated. Of course that is not the only reason they are losing
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SirTagz posted:Well, I would not call that copium at all, rather a reality check. I completely agree with the statement that atm Russia is fighting someone at least as great as them, richer due to western financing and certainly more motivated. Here's the actual article for clarity. thread has translated excerpts https://twitter.com/MarkGaleotti/status/1524647544307036163?s=20&t=hBne3SV0ZyE0mkdg1YzwIQ https://twitter.com/MarkGaleotti/status/1524648533869178880?s=20&t=hBne3SV0ZyE0mkdg1YzwIQ https://twitter.com/MarkGaleotti/status/1524649115875000322?s=20&t=hBne3SV0ZyE0mkdg1YzwIQ https://twitter.com/MarkGaleotti/status/1524650002068512775?s=20&t=hBne3SV0ZyE0mkdg1YzwIQ Looks like cope poo poo to me  Edit: Lest ye think he's selectively quoting - Machine translation: quote:The rank and file are Russian people; the language of the Ukrainian army is Russian. The Russian soldier has been considered one of the strongest in the world for centuries. This is a soldier who is ready to risk his life, to give it up for the sake of fulfilling the orders of the commander and the oath. KitConstantine fucked around with this message at 14:50 on May 12, 2022 |
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Atreiden posted:CNN video containing a war crime from the start of the war. Russian Soldiers try to break into a business, the owner and a security guard goes and talk to them. After they are allowed to leave two Russian soldiers apparently change their minds and goes back and shoot them in the back. The video is a bit graphic as you see the shooting and one of them didn't die immediately, but gets up and staggers to the security guard booth and call for help, but dies in the end. There is some blood in the video from the guard booth. i think what hits me is the way the fucker just casually shoots them in the back and then wonders off. poo poo like that is happening probably hourly in the various occupied areas. kherson is gonna be a horror show when its taken back.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i think what hits me is the way the fucker just casually shoots them in the back and then wonders off. poo poo like that is happening probably hourly in the various occupied areas. kherson is gonna be a horror show when its taken back. Yea that hit me too and it doesn't seem to be isolated incidents. The Wall Street Journal released this investigation today about how Russian troops targeted civilians fleeing the war. There is no gore, but some explosion seen from a dashcam. They interview some of the survivors and relatives. https://twitter.com/Anthony/status/1524701946346680326 https://www.wsj.com/video/series/in...E9-3F3FD0A3CD58
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Atreiden posted:Yea that hit me too and it doesn't seem to be isolated incidents. i remember seeing that early on in the invasion too. with those dudes in the tank ambushing cars and shooting the civilians when the get out, burning the bodies and looting poo poo from the cars.
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KitConstantine posted:That's uuuuhhh not great for their manufacturing industry Siemens provided very important turbines to Crimea after its annexation, against sanctions, so I’m not quite holding my breath. If they do exit fairly this time around though, it’s going to be rough, since a lot of heavy manufacturing depends on their software. https://twitter.com/adagamov/status/1524682895339753473 Basically entire Roskosmos and piles of other high end engineering.
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KitConstantine posted:Tangential - China getting cold feet? Article quotes a couple of prominent Chinese foreign policy experts openly criticizing Russia From my understanding of China, always watch the scholars. What they say publicly can really be a window into what the inside politicos think. I know I read that somewhere when I was studying the DPRK. I hope that's still true.
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Atreiden posted:Yea that hit me too and it doesn't seem to be isolated incidents. Atreiden posted:CNN video containing a war crime from the start of the war. Russian Soldiers try to break into a business, the owner and a security guard goes and talk to them. After they are allowed to leave two Russian soldiers apparently change their minds and goes back and shoot them in the back. The video is a bit graphic as you see the shooting and one of them didn't die immediately, but gets up and staggers to the security guard booth and call for help, but dies in the end. There is some blood in the video from the guard booth.  moment for them to show something so graphic.
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https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/short_news/eu-source-ukraine-just-sped-up-eus-will-to-cut-off-russian-gas/ Oil embargo may take until the end of the month.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Siemens provided very important turbines to Crimea after its annexation, against sanctions, so I’m not quite holding my breath. If they do exit fairly this time around though, it’s going to be rough, since a lot of heavy manufacturing depends on their software. It's okay, they can legally pirate it!
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ZombieLenin posted:It shouldn’t be this way because I am an American, but I am always amazed at the completely unhinged things regular people can come to believe, and how some people just cannot see through propaganda and understand that someone is intentionally trying to manipulate them. "They're just telling you want you want to hear..." "But I like what I'm hearing!"
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Paladinus posted:It's okay, they can legally pirate it! I suspect this may be the kind of thing that they’ll need GRU to ask for help pirating. Edit: https://twitter.com/samramani2/status/1524763238487007233 https://twitter.com/samramani2/status/1524762335814078465 cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 16:27 on May 12, 2022 |
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News from Kherson - it's not good there  https://twitter.com/JosephStash/status/1524675758400155648?s=20&t=yRhR0UKKcUrM5YyTk3fKHg https://twitter.com/JosephStash/status/1524676212332941315?s=20&t=yRhR0UKKcUrM5YyTk3fKHg https://twitter.com/JosephStash/status/1524676600788398081?s=20&t=yRhR0UKKcUrM5YyTk3fKHg Also from the Luhansk front https://twitter.com/Tomthescribe/status/1524718125085868032?s=20&t=yRhR0UKKcUrM5YyTk3fKHg  to lighten things uphttps://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1524731649098932226?s=20&t=yRhR0UKKcUrM5YyTk3fKHg
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Siemens provided very important turbines to Crimea after its annexation, against sanctions, so I’m not quite holding my breath. If they do exit fairly this time around though, it’s going to be rough, since a lot of heavy manufacturing depends on their software.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/short_news/eu-source-ukraine-just-sped-up-eus-will-to-cut-off-russian-gas/ In Putin's Russia they embargo YOU I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm trying to delete it Russia has sanctioned Poland and will no longer be sending any gas via their part of the pipeline https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1524740351399022592?s=20&t=vgmPRIR80i65Mkh6WadDeA non-Nexta source - https://financialpost.com/pmn/business-pmn/gazprom-says-it-will-no-longer-ship-gas-via-yamal-pipeline-through-poland quote:“A ban on transactions and payments to entities under sanctions has been implemented,” Gazprom said in a statement. “For Gazprom this means a ban on the use of a gas pipeline owned by EuRoPol GAZ to transport Russian gas through Poland.”
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KitConstantine posted:News from Kherson - it's not good there Awful poo poo. It really just is a plain and simple genocide. 3 months into this poo poo and already they’re shipping in Russians to replace the Ukrainian population. I wonder where they even find people willing to move to an active war zone. They sound like right proper shitheads if they’re like that apartment owner. I hope the Ukrainians manage to recapture their territory fast and these Russians get their dues. They may be civilians, but they’re active and willing participants to a genocide.
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Possibly the first time we've seen brimstone missiles being used by Ukraine https://twitter.com/Blue_Sauron/status/1524775132413280256 Interesting how they're just being launched out the side of what looks like a normal van.
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Chalks posted:Possibly the first time we've seen brimstone missiles being used by Ukraine Apparently this is likely a video of training, fyi Morning maps - Russian advances https://twitter.com/Nrg8000/status/1524771505900785664?s=20&t=vgmPRIR80i65Mkh6WadDeA https://twitter.com/Nrg8000/status/1524772300322930688?s=20&t=vgmPRIR80i65Mkh6WadDeA An interesting data visualization to provide interesting perspective https://twitter.com/Lee__Drake/status/1524516709826138112?s=20&t=yRhR0UKKcUrM5YyTk3fKHg  Russia was considered 'fully withdrawn' from Kyiv on April 6th.
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Mr. Sunshine posted:Speaking as someone with a bit of insight into the Swedish armed forces, I can't overstate how far our military is already integrated into Nato. Our weapons, gear, communications etc are all compatible. We regularly hold exercises with Nato members we send troops to basically any place Nato members stick their noses into, from Chad to Afghanistan. And our entire defense policy in case of invasion is 100% dependent on outside forces bailing us out. fuckin freeriders but now that they are in they will get to nitpick on how to split the bill, so that's a welcome bonus I guess
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Budzilla posted:So Siemens deliberately provided the gear (water pumps iirc) against sanctions or did Russia use shell companies to get around the sanctions? IIRC they pretended not to know they were going to Crimea. Pretty hard to enforce this sort of thing. (Thales selling parts for tanks is faaar bigger deal IMHO even if that one was totally legal).
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Deltasquid posted:Awful poo poo. It really just is a plain and simple genocide. 3 months into this poo poo and already they’re shipping in Russians to replace the Ukrainian population. A disturbingly large percent of russia's population live in medieval conditions, so the prospect of moving into a building with walls and a door and a toilet is like offering them lottery winnings.
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KitConstantine posted:News from Kherson - it's not good there Every call for Ukrainians to stop shooting and start negotiating is an explicit endorsement of this. gently caress everything forever.
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Russian experts frame it differently but in terms of substance they seem to agree with western analysts in terms of what "the military-technical response" is likely to be: (Official) deployment of nukes to the Baltic and an increased military presence at the Finnish border https://tass.com/politics/1450159 Since I already blundered onto Tass, I'd like to add that Peskov is once again acting as good cop to Medvedev's latest saber rattling; reiterating Putin's statement at the beginning of the war warning against direct intervention in the strongest possible terms but acknowledging that neither Russia or the west is pursuing direct conflict: "Both Russia [wants to avoid it] and, statements to this effect have been repeatedly made by NATO and, most importantly, by Washington, including at the highest level: such statements have been made by [US] President [Joe] Biden. This is what everyone would want to avoid" https://tass.com/politics/1449925
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Chalks posted:Possibly the first time we've seen brimstone missiles being used by Ukraine Brimstones can be fired from anywhere. That’s their thing. Of course they are also ASMs, so I am curious about the target they were fired at. Edit It looks like this may be a video of training people to use the weapon system. ZombieLenin fucked around with this message at 17:28 on May 12, 2022 |
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Budzilla posted:So Siemens deliberately provided the gear (water pumps iirc) against sanctions or did Russia use shell companies to get around the sanctions? Siemens did deliver 4 gas turbines to Taman’, which close to the Russia-Crimea ferry line, in 2016, and they somehow ended up installed and working in Crimea. Real mystery that one, from Deutsche Bank of heavy industry. Without these power turbines, Russia was struggling to maintain infrastructure in Crimea. Deltasquid posted:Awful poo poo. It really just is a plain and simple genocide. 3 months into this poo poo and already they’re shipping in Russians to replace the Ukrainian population. Plenty of people do all sorts of bad poo poo when compensated sufficiently.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I suspect this may be the kind of thing that they’ll need GRU to ask for help pirating. do they even have the men to invade or even put on the boarder at this point? i mean they lost possibly 1150 dudes on a ponton bridge plus all these other defeats.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:do they even have the men to invade or even put on the boarder at this point? they lost possibly 1150 dudes on a ponton bridge. I personally am sceptical that 1500 is an accurate enough number. Even if it’s 15000, though, Russia has enough poo poo to start posturing near Finnish border, since they can just send conscripts there without breaking any kind of decorum. I strongly doubt they’ll do anything more serious than that or flying a nuclear bomber into Finnish airspace for a minute or something.
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KitConstantine posted:News from Kherson - it's not good there yeah, gonna be real, kherson is gonna be a real real bad war crime area now that its clear to the russians there that they arnt gonna be able to hold the place and their little seperatist state is hosed. they already have mass graves i am sure, i am just expecting some really awful poo poo post liberation.
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Hannibal Rex posted:I've heard some What? Why wouldn't they pick a country that actually has a significant Hungarian minority as a result of Trianon, instead of Austria? Then again, apparently Orban's recently made a statement about Croatia, which doesn't have one either.
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theory in Austria that if Russia had been successful, Orban would have done an about face, joined Putin, and started rolling into Austria. Therefore, Austria needs to increase its military spending to fend off the Russo-Magyar hordes.
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