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Phlegmish posted:I'd actually been wondering about the language(s) used by the Ukrainian army, this is the first time I've seen anyone bring it up - unfortunate that it's from an unhinged Russian source. My assumption was that it was a mix of Ukrainian and Russian, with the predominant language depending on where the majority of the soldiers within that particular unit were from. The official language of the military is Ukrainian, but in practice soldiers and officers use whatever language they use in everyday life.
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Paladinus posted:The official language of the military is Ukrainian, but in practice soldiers and officers use whatever language they use in everyday life. 'Ukrainian' is just a form of Russian developed by NATO
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May 12, 2022 18:22
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Chalks posted:Possibly the first time we've seen brimstone missiles being used by Ukraine I'm slightly sceptical about their valueb in this situation; they feel a bit like a surgeon's scalpel in a sword fight. Brimstones 1s don't have massive take to start with even when air launched. But people the know must see some value.
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Deltasquid posted:Regardless of how out of date this map is, I’m kind of surprised by how little activity there seems to be in Mariupol? Or am I misreading the Cyrillic on the city at the black sea coast down the south-east? i THINK HTAT MAP SHWOS SOMSTHING ELSERS These are non-military Russians DOTS REPRESENT INMOVERS in aBANDONED HOMEs REPOPULATED bY StraNgers - editors note :
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May 12, 2022 18:27
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I have neighbours taking a long awaited trip to Finland in a week or so. This is either the most turbulent time to go or the safest.
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May 12, 2022 18:29
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Phlegmish posted:I'd actually been wondering about the language(s) used by the Ukrainian army, this is the first time I've seen anyone bring it up - unfortunate that it's from an unhinged Russian source. My assumption was that it was a mix of Ukrainian and Russian, with the predominant language depending on where the majority of the soldiers within that particular unit were from. It’s not Russian by default, that rag’s underpinning theory is that Ukrainians are confused Russians. It’s widely used, however, in a manner just as you prescribe, based on war footage so far. sofokles posted:i THINK HTAT MAP SHWOS SOMSTHING ELSERS Is everything alright?
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May 12, 2022 18:32
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I feel like this propaganda line that Ukrainian success shows what incredible things Russians could achieve if only they were led by Americans might be risking some unintended consequences
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May 12, 2022 18:39
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the Russians did indeed make another attempt to cross the river earlier today https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1524783663908634624?s=20&t=_dC-xYDP4PrNi0tbkhhtbQ ...well that's about as well as I would have expected it to go
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May 12, 2022 18:40
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Phlegmish posted:I'd actually been wondering about the language(s) used by the Ukrainian army, this is the first time I've seen anyone bring it up - unfortunate that it's from an unhinged Russian source. My assumption was that it was a mix of Ukrainian and Russian, with the predominant language depending on where the majority of the soldiers within that particular unit were from. For what it's worth, I've recently written up a couple of "How can Ukrainians find asylum in Israel" articles, translated into Russian and Ukrainian. The Russian versions quickly became the most viewed pages on our website. The Ukrainian translations don't rate at all.
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May 12, 2022 18:45
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KitConstantine posted:the Russians did indeed make another attempt to cross the river earlier today Taking the "built a castle on a swamp" solution. If enough armor sinks into the river, eventually you can just drive over it!
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May 12, 2022 18:48
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Szmitten posted:I have neighbours taking a long awaited trip to Finland in a week or so. This is either the most turbulent time to go or the safest. Advice to the wise: if you want to travel here now, you should prepare yourself with lots of cash, obviously any medicines you need for the trip + some days extra in case flights are delayed, kevlar vest and helmet, holy water, a body bag, satellite phone, packcraft, map printed on silk with escape routes, nylon stockings.
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May 12, 2022 18:54
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Nenonen posted:Advice to the wise: if you want to travel here now, you should prepare yourself with lots of cash, obviously any medicines you need for the trip + some days extra in case flights are delayed, kevlar vest and helmet, holy water, a body bag, satellite phone, packcraft, map printed on silk with escape routes, nylon stockings. Also frozen mämmi bars, if you mean to trade with the locals.
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May 12, 2022 18:56
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Nenonen posted:Advice to the wise: if you want to travel here now, you should prepare yourself with lots of cash, obviously any medicines you need for the trip + some days extra in case flights are delayed, kevlar vest and helmet, holy water, a body bag, satellite phone, packcraft, map printed on silk with escape routes, nylon stockings. You forgot gold, handguns and ammo.
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May 12, 2022 18:59
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https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1524560707668348929?s=20&t=HMQ2GEiuxJKsM9aetXjPSQ It says training takes 40 days but I wonder if these will come on the Scholz train.
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Kallikaa posted:You forgot gold, handguns and ammo. We're not Americans, we don't know what to do with gold and only use guns for hunting and keeping out foreign armies. Mämmi bars and wool caps with NHL team logos will get you everything you should need.
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May 12, 2022 19:06
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Paladinus posted:The official language of the military is Ukrainian, but in practice soldiers and officers use whatever language they use in everyday life. cinci zoo sniper posted:It’s not Russian by default, that rag’s underpinning theory is that Ukrainians are confused Russians. It’s widely used, however, in a manner just as you prescribe, based on war footage so far. Right, this is what I assumed. Never trust Russian propaganda. Xander77 posted:It's still fairly hard to find really objective sources about the language used by most Ukrainians in their daily life. I assume that the linguistic issue is somewhat sensitive in Ukraine. Interestingly, on Wikipedia some of the oblasts and cities have a breakdown by language, while others don't, which makes me wonder if it's a standard census question. One thing's for certain, even with Ukrainian being the only official language, as far as I can tell Ukraine's Russian speakers have always been able to use their language in their daily lives without any issues, and they don't need to be 'liberated' from anything. Especially when said liberation involves destroying their homes, looting their possessions, and shooting them.
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Shes Not Impressed posted:https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1524560707668348929?s=20&t=HMQ2GEiuxJKsM9aetXjPSQ 40 days under normal circumstances for normal soldiers, but I imagine if you want to forgo all extra time other than sleeping and eating, maybe its less.
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May 12, 2022 19:10
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KitConstantine posted:the Russians did indeed make another attempt to cross the river earlier today I assume they actually mean it went considerably better than their previous attempt because if it went as badly then holy gently caress that would be incredible.
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May 12, 2022 19:11
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cinci zoo sniper posted:It’s not Russian by default, that rag’s underpinning theory is that Ukrainians are confused Russians. It’s widely used, however, in a manner just as you prescribe, based on war footage so far. I wouldnd't be privy to the answer to that question, sorry
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Is there a mechanism or historical precedent to mass deport all these illegal occupiers Russia is trucking in? They clearly are a party to the conflict however not really combatants, kind of a weird situation. Mass deportation? Incarceration?
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Xander77 posted:For what it's worth, I've recently written up a couple of "How can Ukrainians find asylum in Israel" articles, translated into Russian and Ukrainian. The Russian versions quickly became the most viewed pages on our website. The Ukrainian translations don't rate at all. This may be due to the war being fought mostly in the east of the country where Russian is more widely used.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Siemens did deliver 4 gas turbines to Taman’, which close to the Russia-Crimea ferry line, in 2016, and they somehow ended up installed and working in Crimea. Real mystery that one, from Deutsche Bank of heavy industry. Bringing this back because  the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense called out the same thinghttps://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1524815802544816129?t=SM8D274bY1hBnsJQ2snrng&s=19
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Risky Bisquick posted:Is there a mechanism or historical precedent to mass deport all these illegal occupiers Russia is trucking in? They clearly are a party to the conflict however not really combatants, kind of a weird situation. yeah, deportation. They aren't Ukrainian. You don't have a right to stay in a country you travelled to unless that country says you can. This is a dumb galaxy-brain plan by Russia to somehow make their gains a fait accompli. After they realized they couldn't get even a rigged referendum done, some idiot bureaucrats with orders to do something probably thought maybe this could work.
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Lum_ posted:This may be due to the war being fought mostly in the east of the country where Russian is more widely used. I can see that, I assume the bulk of Ukrainian refugees comes from those regions, though there also must have been quite a few from Kyiv earlier in the war (that said, as far as I know Kyiv is mostly Russian-speaking as well). The Russians have basically been destroying the lives of the people they're allegedly 'liberating'.
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KitConstantine posted:the Russians did indeed make another attempt to cross the river earlier today Say what you will, no one else comes close to Russia’s ability or commitment to repeatedly smash its dick in a card door when crossing rivers, assaulting airports, defending islands…
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ought ten posted:Say what you will, no one else comes close to Russia’s ability or commitment to repeatedly smash its dick in a card door when crossing rivers, assaulting airports, defending islands… They listened to all those stories about Stalingrad and got *part* of the message
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Rigel posted:yeah, deportation. They aren't Ukrainian. You don't have a right to stay in a country you travelled to unless that country says you can. Its almost certainly a ploy to put some kind of humanitarian 'gaza-strip' like situation together than will ideally weaken western resolve (it won't)
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cinci zoo sniper posted:https://twitter.com/ralee85/status/1524717743668346880 op is asking a rhetorical question "obviously NATO standards are much better, so why don't we follow them too?". I'm not sure what he means, as the context is not clear.
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https://twitter.com/ralee85/status/1524641478882074625?s=21&t=1WnLJZrnny_aK8OvqhBfYw As if we needed more, further evidence of SU-35S being put on combined SEAD and CAP/air defense duty.
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DandyLion posted:Its almost certainly a ploy to put some kind of humanitarian 'gaza-strip' like situation together than will ideally weaken western resolve (it won't) This is my understanding as well. I foresee these settlers/occupiers? would also not go quietly and likely try to riot and try to capture this on video for the domestic RU audience to justify the invasion in the first place.
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ought ten posted:Say what you will, no one else comes close to Russia’s ability or commitment to repeatedly smash its dick in a card door when crossing rivers, assaulting airports, defending islands… Speaking of which quote:Head of Odesa regional administration confirmed auxiliary vessel of Russian Navy VSEVOLOD BOBROV (IMO: 4726999) caught fire near Zmiiny island as result of actions of Ukrainian army https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/12-may-head-of-odesa-regional-administration-confirmed-auxiliary
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ringu0 posted:op is asking a rhetorical question "obviously NATO standards are much better, so why don't we follow them too?". I'm not sure what he means, as the context is not clear. OP is an opposition figure making fun of the state news. My quip was addressed at the state news as well, as they report public knowledge as some breaking news with rather transparent implications.
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ringu0 posted:op is asking a rhetorical question "obviously NATO standards are much better, so why don't we follow them too?". I'm not sure what he means, as the context is not clear. The context is clear: Why are Russians simultaneously being told they are triumphing over decadent NATO, while bemoaning superior NATO training when it suits the narrative? Why is Russia so much worse than NATO that even the official propaganda admits that? Who is responsible?
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https://twitter.com/TheDeadDistrict/status/1524778356075552770 River crossing lost vehicle count up to 73 now
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Risky Bisquick posted:Is there a mechanism or historical precedent to mass deport all these illegal occupiers Russia is trucking in? They clearly are a party to the conflict however not really combatants, kind of a weird situation.
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How will Ukraine kick out all these Russian settlers that have showed up to occupy these territories if they recaptured them? I can't see it happening without coercion or violence in Kherson for example which Russia will immediately point to as an example of fascism.
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Kraftwerk posted:How will Ukraine kick out all these Russian settlers that have showed up to occupy these territories if they recaptured them? It won't matter, at the time they are expelled russia will be 50+ miles away at least (and with no more warfighting capability to do anything about it). I would imagine the UA simply rounds them up and ships them back across the border.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I personally am sceptical that 1500 is an accurate enough number. Even if it’s 15000, though, Russia has enough poo poo to start posturing near Finnish border, since they can just send conscripts there without breaking any kind of decorum. I strongly doubt they’ll do anything more serious than that or flying a nuclear bomber into Finnish airspace for a minute or something. How often does Russia wander into the airspace of NATO countries compared to Finland and Sweden? Pablo Bluth posted:The greatest ever technical? It looks like the three missiles were launched from the same height and that it has the tracks in the back, so at least a n inne missile technical? The Brimstones have 6.3kg of explosive, compared to ~6.8kg of explosive in a US M107 155mm howitzer shell. It's not exactly a Tomahawk cruise missile, but that's still plenty of explosive. It is a shaped charge, which has better penetration and less blast radius. I could see a volley being useful shooting at things like self-propelled artillery batteries, clusters of fuel trucks, rail cars, and that sort of thing. Nenonen posted:Advice to the wise: if you want to travel here now, you should prepare yourself with lots of cash, obviously any medicines you need for the trip + some days extra in case flights are delayed, kevlar vest and helmet, holy water, a body bag, satellite phone, packcraft, map printed on silk with escape routes, nylon stockings. What, no wooden stake? Risky Bisquick posted:Is there a mechanism or historical precedent to mass deport all these illegal occupiers Russia is trucking in? They clearly are a party to the conflict however not really combatants, kind of a weird situation. Well, the US has some procedures for such things... As a more serious response, after hostilities cease I would just have them gather their personal belongings, put them in buses, and drop them off at the Russian border. gently caress 'em.
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My hope would be that when Ukraine assumes control over those regions, a few things happen: 1) All Ukrainians that can and want to return to their home do so (assuming they’re not stuck in a Russian camp or found a place as a refugee etc). 2) If there are Russians living in a home that Ukrainians are returning to, they’re evicted for living in stolen property, end of story. If they want to stay in Ukraine as Ukrainian citizens, great, find somewhere else to live, otherwise deport to Russia. 3) If there are Russians remaining in Cherson etc in places Ukrainians do not return to occupy, then maybe they can stay if they agree to become Ukrainian citizens? Vs deport them too. It’s a tough balancing act. Ukrainians obviously deserve to return to their rightful homes. You don’t want to reward Russia for taking Ukranian property, but you also don’t want to cause chaos by moving all the Russians out of Crimea for example. And Ukraine has lost a lot of population and could use the people, too. It touches upon a broader question of what do you do with occupiers that have lived on stolen land for a long time? At what point does it also become their home? At what point does mass removal of occupiers become a genocide of its own. Some comparisons might be Israel / Palestine, White vs Black South Africa, or in the longest term US / Native Americans. That said even 2014 Crimea is a lot shorter time frame than all of these examples, and I wouldn’t cry any tears for Crimean Russians who took advantage of the illegal annexation. Edit: and I feel bad sending individual Russian civilians back to what is going to be a real lovely place to live in. I’ll also caveat all this and say I’m talking about Russian civilians. Russian military all go to the war crimes tribunal.
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Risky Bisquick posted:Is there a mechanism or historical precedent to mass deport all these illegal occupiers Russia is trucking in? They clearly are a party to the conflict however not really combatants, kind of a weird situation. After WWII there were IMMENSE forced deportations all over central and eastern Europe for that exact reason (plus just opportunistic ethnic cleansing.)
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