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Brendan Rodgers posted:There is body horror, but it's a more horrifying approach than your standard tentacles. As we talked about earlier in the thread, thankfully GW/BL either explicitly or the writers implicitly, don’t let include sexual horror (even if some would claim it’s grimmdark). Could people even imagine how bad it would be if someone liked GRRM wrote Warhammer stories?
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bob dobbs is dead posted:heart of darkness in 40k, the odyssey in 40k The Gaunt series is Sharpe. The Horus Heresy as Paradise Lost is my comedy option
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bob dobbs is dead posted:heart of darkness in 40k, the odyssey in 40k Whenever they think to publish the codex astartes as it’s own book I guess?
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bob dobbs is dead posted:heart of darkness in 40k, the odyssey in 40k 0konner posted:Whenever they think to publish the codex astartes as it’s own book I guess? I remember from the 3rd Ed rulebook there was a lot of quotes from the Tactica Imperialis, another one of the Imperium's Big Books o' War.
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May 14, 2022 19:41
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Kevin DuBrow posted:The Gaunt series is Sharpe. The Horus Heresy as Paradise Lost is my comedy option Gaunt is definitely Sharpe. Ciaphas Cain is Flashman.
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May 14, 2022 20:23
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tom lehrer posted:Plagiarize! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXlfXirQF3A
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Ajaxify posted:Gaunt is definitely Sharpe. Ciaphas Cain is Flashman. It's funny that baseline Flashman is so horrific that the 40k counterpart pretty much has to be an all around nice dude.
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Now I really want a 40k Aubrey-Maturin.
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YMMV with the Fevehari stories despite all the praise they get here. I read both Fire Caste and one of the Angels stories and found them boring and impenetrable. He's not a bad writer (cf Thorpe, Kyme and Zou) but he's got a style which I feel is very much a matter of taste.
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May 14, 2022 20:48
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Brendan Rodgers posted:imagine someone buying Fire Caste thinking they are getting a book about Tau action figures when it's actually a psychological horror story about an Imperial Guard unit that leads into an exploration of Chaos and damnation. This is me. I liked it a lot even if it wasn't what I thought it was when I bought it.
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DaysBefore posted:I guess I am mostly just thinking about Fehervari's stuff yeah lol. I saw his name a bunch from nerds who say he actually writes horror Warhammer well but I've also seen nerds describe Primarchs talking to each other as emotionally heartfelt so I'm hesitant to believe them. Haven't read any of his stuff yet so I think I'll correct that. Nah he's legit great. Fehervari is probably my favourite BL author and he's definitely up there with San Abnett, ADB and Chris Wright in writing quality
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Z the IVth posted:YMMV with the Fevehari stories despite all the praise they get here. I read both Fire Caste and one of the Angels stories and found them boring and impenetrable. Oh definitely, his style just happens to line up with my tastes so well that I love them
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:It’s just heart of darkness in 40K, that’s it. I like fehervari and this was a good idea but let’s not pretend it’s not 100% Conrad start to finish I've read Heart of Darkness, and some of Conrad's short stories, and I guess there is a connection in the setting of the jungle and the voyage down the river, the oppressiveness of environment, which is a part of one of the arcs in the book. But Fire Caste is not a book about colonialism, and Heart of Darkness is not a book about Chaos. Brendan Rodgers fucked around with this message at 21:56 on May 14, 2022 |
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May 14, 2022 21:50
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kalthir posted:Now I really want a 40k Aubrey-Maturin. they put in a few little notes about a horatio-hornblower-like in one of the cain books, didn't they? so something close might happen if mitchell wants it (and is able to execute, i guess)
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Brendan Rodgers posted:I've read Heart of Darkness, and some of Conrad's short stories, and I guess there is a connection in the setting of the jungle and the voyage down the river, the oppressiveness of environment, which is a part of one of the arcs in the book. But Fire Caste is not a book about colonialism, and Heart of Darkness is not a book about Chaos. This is a fair point-the strongest themes in Fire Caste are about corruption and redemption, which I don’t remember being major parts of Heart of Darkness, which is (if I remember correctly) mostly about the contrast between the “civilized” and “savage”, and how they’re less different than the characters (and the reader) like to think.
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kalthir posted:Now I really want a 40k Aubrey-Maturin. The two battlefleet gothic tie ins?
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von Metternich posted:This is a fair point-the strongest themes in Fire Caste are about corruption and redemption, which I don’t remember being major parts of Heart of Darkness, which is (if I remember correctly) mostly about the contrast between the “civilized” and “savage”, and how they’re less different than the characters (and the reader) like to think. Yeah Heart of Darkness is mostly about how colonialism and the civilising mission is a huge sham and utterly immoral and horrible, which makes sense because Conrad worked in the Belgian Congo before he wrote it so he'd definitely know smh. It's neat that at least some Europeans were awake to that stuff at the time, though Conrad was Polish and they probably had a pretty different perspective compared to other peoples.
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The Night Lords trilogy is the real Heart of Darkness homage.
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Shirkelton posted:The Night Lords trilogy is the real Heart of Darkness homage. If it's a joking reference to Konrad Curze's name, he barely appears in the NL trilogy. If it's a serious post, I would be unironically interested in hearing where you see the homage.
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Marshal Prolapse posted:As we talked about earlier in the thread, thankfully GW/BL either explicitly or the writers implicitly, don’t let include sexual horror (even if some would claim it’s grimmdark). Could people even imagine how bad it would be if someone liked GRRM wrote Warhammer stories? quote:
quote:A coccyx of bleached bone jutted into space, bearing the sphincter at its tip like a quartet of LOL look how far we've come
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Waroduce posted:LOL look how far we've come Of course the Fists would penetrate the anus
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Sounds like you need a painglove session. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/15/sunday-preview-sylvaneth-and-skaven-clash-in-next-weeks-pre-orders/ Godsbane goes up for pre-order next weekend if someone is looking for AoS fiction. And if you missed out some of the older HH books, a couple of them goes up for made to order. Although none of them seem to be the ones everyone likes. And two of them are Nick Kyme books too.
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Waroduce posted:LOL look how far we've come I wanna go back.
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Cooked Auto posted:Sounds like you need a painglove session. Godsbane sounds super interesting to me so picking it up for sure.
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Maybe when people compare Fire Caste to Heart of Darkness they mean Apocalypse Now which is an adaptation that adds a lot of military themes and has a protagonist much more like Commissar Iverson. But that's only one of the arcs in the book and the book and series are full of movie references, I think my favourite part of the Dark Coil might be a reference to The Fly. Brendan Rodgers fucked around with this message at 21:54 on May 15, 2022 |
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Brendan Rodgers posted:Maybe when people compare Fire Caste to Heart of Darkness they mean Apocalypse Now which is an adaptation that adds a lot of military themes and has a protagonist much more like Commissar Iverson. The entire book just reeeeeeks of Vietnam, imo.
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DaysBefore posted:The Warhammer Horror stuff is good yeah? Because when it comes to Warhammer body horror and atrocities I'm entirely numb. Reading passages about superhumans literally eating babies like 'heh that's kinda wacky'. But I am super interested if they finally managed to hire someone who makes all this stuff, you know, horrifying again. There's a great story in one of the anthologies called Into Dark Water which I really loved. Wonderfully creepy. Dips into body horror, but is more of an existential horror thing.
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If the last Horus Heresy novel I read was Betrayer, can I safely skip ahead to Master of Mankind or are any of the intervening books non-optional?
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MMAgCh posted:If the last Horus Heresy novel I read was Betrayer, can I safely skip ahead to Master of Mankind or are any of the intervening books non-optional? I only read the very first book and also Legion, then skipped straight to Master of Mankind. I don’t feel like I missed anything important.
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Are there corporations in Wh40k? I know there is some level of capitalism at the individual level, people own shops or businesses or whatever. It seems like goods produced on large scale are produced under the auspices of the state, either directly or through some form of quota system. Phrases like "subsector trade" are often used in WH40k but is most Interstellar trade operated through the Administratum and its agents? Or is there some sort of commercial fleet? If it is the latter I guess that implies the existence of multi-planetary commercial entities.
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lonelylikezoidberg posted:Are there corporations in Wh40k? Yes, but large mercantile concerns are often the property of noble houses. Rogue Traders are, in effect, chartered corporations.
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It’s pre-capitalist, or at the least very early capitalist. The trade elements of 40k always seemed to me to be less 20th or even 18th century trade and much more 13th-15th, Hanse rather than India.
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The Navigator Houses also have their own little trading concerns, since they own their own small fleets for shipping navigators around to where they are needed etc and it's implied in Rites of Passage that they have a lot of "nobody look in Cargo Bay 5" kinds of deals with Rogue Traders for guiding their ships etc.
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yeah what makes the imperium distinctly pre-capitalist is that capital is not commodified - it’s held by mercantile and noble houses, not traded on the open market. in necropolis the right to import and sell oil, for instance, is held by the Worlin guild, and the evil profiteer who keeps the oil pipe open and lets the bad guys infiltrate through it is just a mid level guild functionary.
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lenoon posted:It’s pre-capitalist, or at the least very early capitalist. The trade elements of 40k always seemed to me to be less 20th or even 18th century trade and much more 13th-15th, Hanse rather than India. this. though i think it depends on the system. like big giant advanced cyberpunk type corps and poo poo exist its just all nitch stuff or system/sector sized, not galactic scale. no Galactic wide trade federation or cyberpunk type zaibatsus or amzon type stuff. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 14:39 on May 17, 2022 |
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The thing to remember is that the imperium cares about reliable control. They want a single person or a family at the most who an inquisitor can show up to threaten, not a vast faceless corporate hydra that answers to The Shareholders and is just going to be taken over by the Alpha Legion anyway.
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I'm sure it's different from planet to planet and system to system. Some planets are techno-feudal hellholes and some are corpo-fascist hellholes. There's always a governor that the empire controls and there's always an overburdening tithe that needs to be met.
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Bucnasti posted:I'm sure it's different from planet to planet and system to system. The Warhammer Crime planet seems to be the latter
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As long as the tithes are being paid I don't see why the Imperium would care if the guy responsible for paying up is called a CEO instead of a Lord-Governor or something. No reason why you can't have a corporate hell planet that is also a centralised power, I mean, that's just a monopoly. In theory there is every kind of planet in the Imperium, we just see the ones that are the most hosed up. A planet like Cadia or Armageddon will have much tighter control over it than a random agri-world that's never had any problems and keeps paying up. On an interstellar level yeah you gotta go through the Rogue Traders and Navigators etc but there will be plenty of smuggling, and I thought space travel was still possible without a navigator just super risky? Brendan Rodgers fucked around with this message at 15:57 on May 17, 2022 |
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The Eisenhorn series shows the characters using apparently civilian-made products with brand recognition. His gun is called something like the Hessenbok 3400 and a city issues its enforcers with Hecutors produced by a joint private venture between two houses. There's also a car called the Bergman presumably made by private enterprise.
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