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Dick Ripple posted:We will soon have a humilated and ostracized Russia with a 2km long border with an opposing alliance. Nukes are one of the few cards they will have left. Pressing that button, even if it is "just" a tactical nuke against Ukraine would make Russia's current situation seem like a walk in the park by comparison even if no nukes are launched in response at Russia. Russia's policies for nukes is pretty clear about what scenarios would lead to them launching nukes, this is not one of them.
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KitConstantine posted:Tangentially related but with Hungary saying they're going to block Finland and Sweden from joining NATO I find this to be an interesting coincidence - CPAC, an american Far-Right political conference, is holding a special session in Hungary this weekend! That's Turkey. Unless Hungary has said something along those lines though, but I haven't heard anything. I wouldn't exactly be surprised if they decided to be troublemakers though. Everything else in your post is absolutely correct and should be noticed by everyone.
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KitConstantine posted:Tangentially related but with Hungary saying they're going to block Finland and Sweden from joining NATO I find this to be an interesting coincidence - CPAC, an american Far-Right political conference, is holding a special session in Hungary this weekend! Interesting list of speakers too, though no Russians among them. Mostly Hungarian and American, obviously, but some Austrians and an Italian politican in the mix along with Nigel Farage. Yeah this all seems like the obvious next step for putin/russia to begin pushing real hard on the US Conservative apparatus (namely those indebted to putin) with the intent of getting the US to pull out of Ukrainian support/NATO with a hopeful republican victory in 2024. What we're seeing is the beginnings of that mobilization.
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Fabulous Knight posted:That's Turkey. Unless Hungary has said something along those lines though, but I haven't heard anything. I wouldn't exactly be surprised if they decided to be troublemakers though. Thank you for correcting me, I edited the post to fix it. Mornings man.
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DandyLion posted:Yeah this all seems like the obvious next step for putin/russia to begin pushing real hard on the US Conservative apparatus (namely those indebted to putin) with the intent of getting the US to pull out of Ukrainian support/NATO with a hopeful republican victory in 2024. What we're seeing is the beginnings of that mobilization.
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It's hard to tell for certain, but I'm speculating that Ukraine has prioritized its northern flank over the Donbas salient. First they took care of the threat to Kyiv, then to Sumy, then to Kharkiv. As Territorial Defense Brigades are fully mobilized they can use those to hold the northern border with Belarus, and have a regular army brigade or two as operational reserve. So long as the forces in Donbas can hold, they should get more and better equipment as time goes on, and (hopefully) replacements from reservists and new recruits. Right this moment, Ukraine may be prioritizing the attacks across the Donets, thinking that the best way to relieve pressure on the eastern front isn't to put more troops in front of Russian artillery and tanks but to threaten that northern supply route. And I agree with the points above re: Trump. He is not only the single largest threat to the US, but to Ukraine as well. As bad as his previous term was, he will be far, far more evil a second time around.
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That Lex Friedman interview with Oliver stone is by far one of the most unhinged things I have seen masquerading as a serious interview. Lex is just joe organ levels of gullible and provides zero counter-arguments to stone's obvious bullshit. He probably wouldn't get the interview if he actually did any criticism, maybe that's how all of his stuff is. He seems to have a weird lineup of guests ranging from heavyweight intellectuals to straight-up crazy people.
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Dick Ripple posted:I am not advertising or in support of Olivers thoughts.. The woods being there are a lot of people, especially here in Europe not jumping on board the full and unconditional support for NATO and Ukraine train, and there are reasons for that. Some of which lean towards the Russian Government line, to general distrust of the US and NATO. Maybe we should listen to what the rational folks are saying (that does not mean agree) and realise that some of the actions our governments are taking could lead us towards some bad directions, like nukes being lobbed at eachother. And there are people from Russia that are on board. Russia has never experienced a reckoning with it's actions in both World Wars and during the Soviet purges, and maybe it's time they have. A good article came out from The Spectator on this topic - by a Russian, Sergey Radchenko, who I'm quite certain speaks Russian https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-russia-needs-to-be-humiliated-in-ukraine The whole article is worth a read but I've pulled some key portions quote:Russia’s humiliation in Ukraine has untold benefits, not least for Russia itself. We have heard it said for years that Russia must be indulged and humoured because, if not, it will resent having lost its great power status. The Soviet collapse, we were told, was a terrible catastrophe from which aggrieved, embittered Russians never recovered. So they need to be respected. They need to stand tall and proud. God forbid if they are humiliated because who knows what they will do.
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KitConstantine posted:Tangentially related but with But where's the Lion of Budapest? Have the people lost their trust in GORKA?
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Youth Decay posted:and Spanish fascists (I thought they fought a war to get rid of those) Yeah um, that war went pretty much as badly as it possibly could. 
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KitConstantine posted:Russia has never experienced a reckoning with it's actions in both World Wars Russia reckoned with its actions in WWI to a greater extant than any other combatant.
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FishBulbia posted:Russia reckoned with its actions in WWI to a greater extant than any other combatant. I think Austro-Hungary may disagree... Well, it would if it still existed.
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Did you see Erdogan's demands for him to stop vetoing Finland and Sweden's entrance in NATO? https://www.aei.org/foreign-and-defense-policy/erdogan-issues-his-demands-to-nato/ quote:NATO should classify not only the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) but also the Syrian Defense Forces (SDF) and the Fetullah Terrorist Organization (FETO) in the alliance’s list of threats. LMAO. We should kick Turkey out of NATO.
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KitConstantine posted:And there are people from Russia that are on board. Russia has never experienced a reckoning with it's actions in both World Wars and during the Soviet purges, and maybe it's time they have. A good article came out from The Spectator on this topic - by a Russian, Sergey Radchenko, who I'm quite certain speaks Russian
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golden bubble posted:Did you see Erdogan's demands for him to stop vetoing Finland and Sweden's entrance in NATO? in a purely sociopathic sense Turkey is probably the most geostrategically important member besides germany and the US
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golden bubble posted:Did you see Erdogan's demands for him to stop vetoing Finland and Sweden's entrance in NATO? I'm going to guess that a fair whack of this is "poo poo that isn't going to happen," and is merely a first step in negotiations. If they're gonna hold out for the full demands, that's gonna be interesting times I reckon.
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Panzeh posted:We do have [Putin's] ideas for Ukraine, both in the leaked RIA victory speech as well as statements made early on, when he thought he was going to win quickly. Out of morbid curiosity, is there an untranslated transcript? Or it's that "new world"/"new era" article from 02/26 people linked upthread?
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Tomn posted:I'm going to guess that a fair whack of this is "poo poo that isn't going to happen," and is merely a first step in negotiations. If they're gonna hold out for the full demands, that's gonna be interesting times I reckon. Same here. I wouldn't expect them to think they're getting the whole list of goodies, but I'm betting they're shooting for a couple of them and maybe some extra grease somewhere else.
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Out of the demands regarding military hardware, how many of them would Turkey use to either buy or sell weapons to Russia? Would it actually be worth letting Finland/Sweden join NATO if all those demands were met?
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The US is preparing a military aid package for India to deepen security ties and reduce the country’s dependence on Russian weapons, people familiar with the matter said. While India is already diversifying its military platforms away from Russia, the US wants to help make that happen faster, the official said. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-17/us-seeks-to-wean-india-from-russia-weapons-with-arms-aid-package
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The military buildups that are occuring all over the world. Party like its 1890 folks the worst is yet to come.
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cgeq posted:Out of the demands regarding military hardware, how many of them would Turkey use to either buy or sell weapons to Russia? Would it actually be worth letting Finland/Sweden join NATO if all those demands were met? Considering how much drum banging has been going on regarding a quick process for Finland and Sweden, it would be a major blow to the credibility of the organisation to just go "Actually, nah" at this point. This is one of the latest statements. Until now the US has been more down-key so as not to make it seem like they're making us join.
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cgeq posted:Out of the demands regarding military hardware, how many of them would Turkey use to either buy or sell weapons to Russia? Would it actually be worth letting Finland/Sweden join NATO if all those demands were met? Turkey seems legitimately alarmed by Russia's war and I doubt they're in any hurry to give Russia any arms business, but in a few years once this has blown over (at least for Turkey) and Turkey is looking for leverage to annoy NATO over something else I'm sure they'd love having the flexibility to go to Russia for arms sales.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:The military buildups that are occuring all over the world. Spending is one thing, but capacity is hard. Saudi Arabia was spending an equivalent amount of its gdp on the military as Germany was in the 1930s, and we saw how much that bought them. Russia has the 4th largest defense budget and we see what that bought them.
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Morrow posted:Spending is one thing, but capacity is hard. Saudi Arabia was spending an equivalent amount of its gdp on the military as Germany was in the 1930s, and we saw how much that bought them. Russia has the 4th largest defense budget and we see what that bought them. well presumably the money goes towards procuring actual weapons, not say, dachas and Audis.
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ringu0 posted:Out of morbid curiosity, is there an untranslated transcript? Or it's that "new world"/"new era" article from 02/26 people linked upthread? That's it.
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lol they keep coming into the thread. I still seem them online and even in real life. The western putin supporter always has the exact same strategy and tone, every single time. It always starts with something like "Hey guys, I totally hate this war and Putin is very bad, what Russia is doing is clearly wrong. But... I was just mainlining some russia state propaganda into my arm, don't worry I know its propaganda so it can't affect me, and this whole war isn't as simple as the western media narrative as been. Did you know there's some right wing people in Ukraine? Did you know their government isn't as perfect and benevolent as the United Federation of Plants? Reminder, I totally support Ukraine in this, I'm very rational and polite, but I'm just asking questions you know?" Then comes the defensiveness and accusations after the first pushback "Oh so we're just supposed to only swallow western propaganda?? Just blindly believe everything NATO and western governments say? This doesn't lead to a nuanced view of history! It's important to listen to all sides and find the truth! You guys probably all still think Iraq had WMD's! The west lies!! You're all just a bunch of war cheerleaders!" Then comes the mask off "You know what, gently caress you guys. Ukraine is a nazi junta installed by the CIA in one their imperialist color revolutions. I actually was a kind and rational person but because you were mean to me I'm going to go tattoo a giant Z on my face to trigger you nato-lovers!" I've seen this sort of cycle like a dozen times now at least. It's made me just instantly not bother with any of these kind rational people who are just asking questions and hay guys did you check out this Oliver Stone guy he seems to have some interesting insights you don't hear in western media?? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Oracle posted:well presumably the money goes towards procuring actual weapons, not say, dachas and Audis. Where?
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Baronjutter posted:lol they keep coming into the thread. I still seem them online and even in real life. The western putin supporter always has the exact same strategy and tone, every single time. It's that Bors cartoon but for faux-leftists instead of CHUDs.  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Former chancellor of Germany Gerhard Schröder might soon be the first former chancellor of Germany to be on an international freaking sanctions list and I can't stop laughing about it. Get hosed you piece of poo poo. Even parts of his party are cheering for it. https://twitter.com/SZ/status/1526948776644120577?t=Ta_oDQC-qfzVgJmUg6EkSA&s=19
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the popes toes posted:The US is preparing a military aid package for India to deepen security ties and reduce the country’s dependence on Russian weapons, people familiar with the matter said. Wonder if there's any sort of quid pro quo going on here given that India was specifically planning to increase their exports to Russia by $2 billion and looking for alternative ways to make payments. Seems unlikely the US would do this while India tries to undermine the sanctions.
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Xander77 posted:Maybe I've been reading too much Russian media, but for real, "bro, have you tried looking at the United States" seems to be a very obvious query. What does that have to do with what this Russian man thinks about the issues with Russia? Not literally saying 'what about' doesn't make this a better point KitConstantine fucked around with this message at 18:50 on May 18, 2022 |
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Youth Decay posted:Spanish fascists (I thought they fought a war to get rid of those) Did your history book just like suddenly end in the 1930's and you kind of guessed at the ending? Because I have bad news about that war.
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GABA ghoul posted:Former chancellor of Germany Gerhard Schröder might soon be the first former chancellor of Germany to be on an international freaking sanctions list and I can't stop laughing about it. Get hosed you piece of poo poo. Even parts of his party are cheering for it. Habeck called him a "Russian Oligarch" some time ago and I didn't see anybody complain. I do wonder if he can be thrown out of the party. Back in February there was a lot of rumbling from regional SPD orgs about doing, but legally I'm not sure if it can be successful.
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Interesting move from Moldova. https://twitter.com/lesiavasylenko/status/1526966563651428352?s=20&t=r5l6-kNyXNqou8yfdsxoGw Though honestly what better time than now? "You and what army" comes to mind
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I suppose this works https://twitter.com/GrangerE04117/status/1526934855489302529 Baronjutter posted:lol they keep coming into the thread. I still seem them online and even in real life. The western putin supporter always has the exact same strategy and tone, every single time. You can just report concern trolls, it's not hard.
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