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Non Krampus Mentis posted:To sum up: You are looking for new jobs, right? Because I binged most of this thread over a few weeks a bit back when I was sick with covid myself and it was kind of wild seeing you paint this elaborate picture of the bakery from hell over the course of months of posting. I don't think this place is salvageable. I get that you likely aren't in a position to be able to just quit, but you should be applying with pretty much anyone who will take a resume at this point. edit: ^^^^ staging a walkout would be fun, but they already had a huge staff meeting with employee demands etc. At the end of the day small business like this can have owners/management that are just pig headedly resistant to change, and after a certain point no amount of organizing is going to unfuck a business that is someone's personal fiefdom. The answer is to find another job and laugh from the sidelines as everyone else does and the business fails. Like, that's the pro-business argument for unions: they help you retain staff by making your workplace not suck which in turn helps you stay in business. Sometimes you just gotta get out. The last thing you want to do is be one of the last holdouts still working at the lovely business when it finally goes under.
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Yeah, I've had to work for small places that cannot get their poo poo together at all. Best bet is finding something else if you can, although I realize that's often easier said than done. Good luck!
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May 20, 2022 15:54
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Escape From Noise posted:Yeah, I've had to work for psmall places that cannot get their poo poo together at all. Best bet is finding something else if you can, although I realize that's often easier said than done. Good luck! The nice thing about recognizing that your workplace is hosed is that you can start looking for work while still drawing a paycheck from them. So not only are you not flat on your rear end financially while between jobs, but you're also not so desperate for a new position that you'll take literally anything on offer just to pay the rent. edit: I mean, always be looking for work even if your current job is fine. You might find something better. You might get an offer that you can leverage to getting paid more where you are. Or you might end up with a better job even if your current one is OK enough that you can keep doing it.
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Non Krampus Mentis posted:lmao my boss is going to lose the entire crew because she can’t discipline one rear end in a top hat Dang, it’s awful when lazy management allows a group to implode because they won’t do their job. A buddy likes his work but they have one useless team member who derails every meeting with rambling stories. Like if the word “Hawaii” is mentioned, 15 minute tangent on the negative impact of tourists. Or if for an ice breaker the group is asked what language they’d like to learn he gives a poorly informed lecture on the intricacies of an Australian Aboriginal language. His manager refuses to take him aside and tell him he needs to change his meeting behavior and they’ve lost useful employees who got annoyed and transferred out, so it’s an ongoing headache. Cyrano4747 posted:Sometimes you just gotta get out. The last thing you want to do is be one of the last holdouts still working at the lovely business when it finally goes under. Agreed, dunno about your options but anything food service related is desperate for skilled staff so hopefully you’d have lots of places to go.
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May 20, 2022 16:00
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Escape From Noise posted:I get selective breeding is different to people, but wasn't lager yeast created in a lab? I fully admit that I may have this wrong. The current theory is that lager yeast, Saccharomyces pastorianus, is a naturally occurring hybrid of Saccharomyces cerevisiae and Saccharomyces eubayanus that popped up in Germany sometime in the 1300's. People were brewing lager long before they discovered what yeast was.
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Outrail posted:Organize a walkout Sounds like a walkout is gonna happen. It just won't be organized.
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McGavin posted:The current theory is that lager yeast, Saccharomyces pastorianus, is a naturally occurring hybrid of Saccharomyces cerevisiae and Saccharomyces eubayanus that popped up in Germany sometime in the 1300's. People were brewing lager long before they discovered what yeast was. Ah okay. I was under the impression that lager yeast was a much more recent development.
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May 20, 2022 18:44
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Alkydere posted:Sounds like a walkout is gonna happen. well, yeah fair point. If the business is that bad and toxic it'd be better to have everyone quit at once and absolutely tank the company so it goes under and no-one else will be hurt when they keep hiring one employee after another as it death spirals over the next year or two. The other possibility is that could be the final straw that prompts the firing of the major cause of problems, but seems unlikely at this point.
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Outrail posted:well, yeah fair point. You're not wrong about it being better if poo poo companies don't hire more people, but the problem with this is that it requires coordinating quitting with everyone, which means that most people aren't going to have new jobs lined up at exactly that time. Basically people need to be in a situation where they can swing unemployment while they look for new work. From the individual's perspective it's better to look for work while still holding that job, find a new position, and quit the second you land your new job.
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Outrail posted:well, yeah fair point. The third possibility is one of the trickle of employees who quit gets replaced by another violent nut, and the problems solve each other. 
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Cyrano4747 posted:You're not wrong about it being better if poo poo companies don't hire more people, but the problem with this is that it requires coordinating quitting with everyone, which means that most people aren't going to have new jobs lined up at exactly that time. Fair enough. Burning the establishment to the ground would probably make everyone eligible for unemployment benefits, so that might be a better option in areas with decent social safety nets (not applicable in some states/countries).
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Cyrano4747 posted:You're not wrong about it being better if poo poo companies don't hire more people, but the problem with this is that it requires coordinating quitting with everyone, which means that most people aren't going to have new jobs lined up at exactly that time. Maybe they could all pool their money and support each other while they get jobs. Then they could invite other people to join the club and help them out of lovely situations too. Man this sounds good. Why has nobody ever thought of this before?
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It blows my mind how uncreative and unimaginative people are I'm working with a group of new scrum teams and we want them all to come up with their own team names. But then a manager thought it would be a good idea to have all 4 teams have names with a similar theme. This is kinda dumb because a theme isn't really necessary so as a compromise they did a poll where people could submit themes and they would be voted on. To absolutely nobody's surprise, Marvel was the theme that won. OK whatever. I've seen this a million times and at least one of the teams is guaranteed to name themselves The Avengers. Again, because that's the creativity level of corporate professionals. You might also get more than one team wanting to use Avengers so then you'll get extremely creative variants like "Finance Avengers" and "Claims Avengers", because that's much better My favorite suggestion for a team name so far, and I swear I'm not making this up, is "Vigilante Defenders" I guarantee there will also be nominations for team names that have nothing to do with the Marvel theme because some people just don't pay attention to anything at all. I predict someone will suggest "Transformers" (and if you ask them if they're referring to the robots they'll ask you what you're talking about) because that is the second most common team name I see after Avengers everywhere I go. Oh and for some reason the default suggestion from older women seems to be taking the first letter of each team member's name and trying to make a word out of them. This has never ever worked I'll report back on what all the final team names are after voting is done but that will be next week at the earliest
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Elephant Ambush posted:a manager thought Please don't tell lies in this thread
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What's the transformers name that doesn't come from robots in disguise?
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Elephant Ambush posted:I'll report back on what all the final team names are after voting is done but that will be next week at the earliest Way back in one of my college engineering courses we had a semester-long project to write a program to control a little robot car. There were 2 and the class was split into teams and at the end of the year we had a race. We made a poll to figure out what to name the 2 carts, and there was some decently creative stuff in there, I remember my favorite being Castor & Pollux. But of course, we ended up calling them Tom & Jerry.  tired gay and dead posted:What's the transformers name that doesn't come from robots in disguise? I would accept this as a name for the electricians in a factory or manufacturing plant or something, but that's about it 
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Once advised a team against naming themselves “The Phoenix Program” as that was the same as a CIA campaign in Vietnam that was not great about human rights but they used it anyway. Did succeed in advising a team against using a puzzle piece logo for posters as that is usually associated with autism issues.
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Elephant Ambush posted:It blows my mind how uncreative and unimaginative people are Shame on eachand every group for not calling themselves the A-Team
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May 20, 2022 23:09
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Cyrano4747 posted:You are looking for new jobs, right? Absofuckinlutely.
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I've been struggling with how to word this post without over-explaining - so here goes my best shot. I work 'sales' for a company selling medical devices. 'sales' because these are recurring supplies for a particular line of devices. Basically I call to remind people that they are currently eligible for their stuff every three months, and ask if they want any. Then I enter an order for anything they want. Some items can be ordered every three months, others every 6 months, for example. (Insurance Guidelines) Production has historically been based on how many calls a day you are handling and how many orders you enter. Now they have implemented an incredibly half-baked incentive. If we can increase the Average Allowable Amount per order to $215 we can get a $250 monthly bonus each month that meets this criteria. To break down how dumb this is: The allowable amount is what we can charge the insurance, it's less than the retail amount and depending on the patient's insurance can be wildly different. Some of our largest payers would only have an allowable amount of about $190 for a full order every 6 months. An average doesn't care if I dont enter an order. So if I call someone and he says no I dont want anything, it doesnt hurt our average. But If i prod him and convince him to buy like 1 of the 5 things he's eligible for, the company makes more money but our average actually goes down. So, bonus being offered is trivial, the metric is largely out of my control, and partial or sometimes even total conversions will hurt my chances of making this bonus. Additionally we only met this criteria during the two busiest months last year, and this year there has been a substantial product recall, and also many items are on backorder so we have to split the sales orders for those, further decreasing the average allowable amount per order. We have been instructed not to add those items on to sales orders because our shipping company will simply hold the entire entire and not tell anyone if we put a backordered item on it. At our meeting today, the same manager who previously gave us those instructions said 'I just want to remind everyone that if we add the backordered item onto the sale it will still count towards the average' I asked during the meeting in the gentlest way possible 'will our shipping company send out an order with a backordered item on it?' She replied 'I'm not telling you to create orders that wont ship to increase the average, im just explaining how it works' To which i could only reply, okay, got it, thank you. While inwardly my brain is screaming in cognitive dissonance.
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A previous company I worked at in Wisconsin wanted to fire a ton of people and reduce the pay for their remaining employees but that was illegal. They got around it by having their parent company buy them out and rebrand the facility so suddenly, instead of your company illegally firing you or cutting your pay, everyone had to reapply and interview again for the jobs they already had for the "new" company. A ton of people got fired. Most others had their salaries slashed under the new company if they were "lucky" enough to get re-hired back in. Employee morale went through the floor. Everyone hated having to go back to work there. Within a year or so, most of the competent employees I knew from there had jumped ship for somewhere else. Thankfully, I had bailed and moved away to Philadelphia just a few weeks before that all went down there. EDIT: And, because I have back injuries that will last my lifetime due to that place being staffed with selfish, careless jagoffs, it was St. Joseph's Hospital in Marshfield. I even ended up getting facility execs investigating the BS that happened to me there so I never felt any guilt calling out the place for the pain I still feel. Also, my coworker tried to see how many pieces of fruit he could hide inside of my PC case there before I'd notice but that part was extremely hilarious. Catastrophe fucked around with this message at 23:38 on May 20, 2022 |
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A few years back they held a contest to name a new module for our system that essentially took two processes and combined them. A bunch of people submitted a lot of really clever names that were portmanteau of the names of the two processes in question. The management chose "Fusion." Just the least creative people on the planet. Prince Reggie K posted:I work 'sales' for a company selling medical devices. 'sales' because these are recurring supplies for a particular line of devices. CPAP? Charity Porno fucked around with this message at 23:34 on May 20, 2022 |
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Prince Reggie K posted:So, bonus being offered is trivial, This is the point where you stop caring about it and ignore the whole thing.
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I cant imagine being asked to name a team at work and responding with anything other than "Who gives a poo poo? Just put whatever so we can get this bullshit over with". If pressed I'd probably start just naming things in my eyeline until they accepted that "Team Desk" is probably the best suggestion I'm likely to give.
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Team Team is also a great option
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SiKboy posted:I cant imagine being asked to name a team at work and responding with anything other than "Who gives a poo poo? Just put whatever so we can get this bullshit over with". If pressed I'd probably start just naming things in my eyeline until they accepted that "Team Desk" is probably the best suggestion I'm likely to give. In my experience this poo poo is literally always middle managers amusing themselves and nothing the actual people care about
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Charity Porno posted:In my experience this poo poo is literally always middle managers amusing themselves and nothing the actual people care about 15-20 years ago a bunch of business units from Pratt and Whitney and Hamilton Sundstrand were blended together under Hamilton. Pratt had blue coloring on their badges, Hamilton had red. It was called Project Purple and if you talk to someone who was there when they started and/or wound that down and redistributed the teams it was the greatest injustice to ever be imposed upon humans. It was still the best "Project" name I've seen in the corporate world.
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Lazyfire posted:15-20 years ago a bunch of business units from Pratt and Whitney and Hamilton Sundstrand were blended together under Hamilton. Pratt had blue coloring on their badges, Hamilton had red. It was called Project Purple and if you talk to someone who was there when they started and/or wound that down and redistributed the teams it was the greatest injustice to ever be imposed upon humans. It was still the best "Project" name I've seen in the corporate world. Yeah, but "Pratney Hamstrand" would have been a solid alternative.
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I would give my team a human name. Preferably the name of a manager in a different team.
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tired gay and dead posted:What's the transformers name that doesn't come from robots in disguise? When a company decides they want to be more agile and they adopt a framework like Scrum, the process is usually called an "agile transformation" because it takes years to make all the small, incremental improvements to the overall system. Some people then think that because they're going through an agile transformation the most clever possible team name is "Transformers". You see, because they're transforming. More proof that having a degree doesn't mean you're smart.
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This thread makes me very happy to work as a geologist rather than a computer toucher or whatever it is people do in offices.
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Elephant Ambush posted:I'll report back on what all the final team names are after voting is done but that will be next week at the earliest Yo is team batman still free
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Not very often if I'm being honest, the only rocks you'll get much information out of licking are evaporites like salt and those aren't very common in Canada, nor are they expensive enough that anyone goes looking for them, at least not here. Dirt, on the other hand, sometimes you put in your mouth to tell the difference between clay and silt. I mostly work with hardrock but I've seen plenty of people do the silt/clay mouth test before. I think softrock people lick to tell the difference between siltstone and mudstone but I don't need to be looking for oil when I can be looking for shiny stuff instead.
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What is the friendliest rock? Are there any rocks that are, in your opinion, totally overrated?
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Archean gniess from the Canadian shield is probably the friendliest rock, you can dig a hole right into it and it'll never collapse on you because it's so old and unbroken and strong. Also it's pronounced "nice" so your know it's got to be friendly, not to mention the fact that it's Canadian. Granite is the most overrated rock of all time, most people don't even know what a fuckin granite is, they go to a countertop store and say like "wow look how nice my granite countertop looks" and it won't even be a granite! It'll be a gneiss or a loving diorite or something!
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tired gay and dead posted:Archean gniess from the Canadian shield is probably the friendliest rock, you can dig a hole right into it and it'll never collapse on you because it's so old and unbroken and strong. Also it's pronounced "nice" so your know it's got to be friendly, not to mention the fact that it's Canadian. Sounds legit
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tired gay and dead posted:Archean gniess from the Canadian shield is probably the friendliest rock, you can dig a hole right into it and it'll never collapse on you because it's so old and unbroken and strong. Also it's pronounced "nice" so your know it's got to be friendly, not to mention the fact that it's Canadian. I want a gneiss countertop.
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