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pentyne posted:The Chris Hardwick thing was gross but there was way more assumption and Twitter chat then any actual accusations. Also it was more of the gross Aziz stuff where he's being an horny insensitive rear end in a top hat but ~technically~ not being abusive.
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https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1529090959073587201?s=20&t=2bDqO02YQok9vlMJlyP_Qgquote:“Oh, women!” he starts. “Not all women, I mean the old-fashioned ones. The old-fashioned women, the ones with wombs. Those loving dinosaurs. I love the new women. They’re great, aren’t they? The new ones we’ve been seeing lately. The ones with beards and cocks. They’re as good as gold, I love them. And now the old-fashioned ones say, ‘Oh, they want to use our toilets.’ ‘Why shouldn’t they use your toilets?’ ‘For ladies!’ ‘They are ladies — look at their pronouns! What about this person isn’t a lady?’ ‘Well, his penis.’ ‘Her penis, you loving bigot!’ ‘What if he rapes me?’ ‘What if she rapes you, you loving TERF whore?'” guess the cringe atheism well has dried up
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# ? May 25, 2022 01:57 |
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Martman posted:But, the Aziz stuff was a single bad date. i cordially invite you to go gently caress yourself how is this poo poo not probe on sight in this thread
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# ? May 25, 2022 02:16 |
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NM, thought better of it
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I remember reading that unlike in a lot of other countries, the UK never really got an established intersectional third wave feminism. As a result, a lot of their institutional powers established by the ardently white upper/middle-class feminism never really got questioned. This is obviously an issue in dealing with really any modern women's issues, but leaves those established powers particularly prickly because they've never really questioned gender essentialism or their ossified mores from decades ago. So trans issues are just so far beyond their understanding it just breaks them. Note this is still a thing for racial and class and sex work and other issues, trans issues just are an especially confrontational understanding that undermines their ancient understanding of the world.
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moonmazed posted:i cordially invite you to go gently caress yourself
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Alan Smithee posted:https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1529090959073587201?s=20&t=2bDqO02YQok9vlMJlyP_Qg Just the laziest poo poo imaginable.
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Segue posted:I remember reading that unlike in a lot of other countries, the UK never really got an established intersectional third wave feminism. As a result, a lot of their institutional powers established by the ardently white upper/middle-class feminism never really got questioned. It's also worth noting that where opinions polls of the general public have been arranged, it turns out most people are generally supportive of trans rights. But oh boy our media and celebrity sphere are just vicious and filled with TERFs.
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Alan Smithee posted:https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1529090959073587201?s=20&t=2bDqO02YQok9vlMJlyP_Qg When he announced this special he said "[He wants] to get cancelled.". So he's basically being a teenage reddit poster but no one is paying attention to him because he's a pathetic washup no one cares about. He wants that Chapelle level controversy but the problem is that he was never as popular or well liked as Dave Chapelle. And certainly never as good a stand up comedian as Dave Chapelle. People should just ignore him because the negative attention is exactly what he wants.
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Nucleic Acids posted:Just the laziest poo poo imaginable. Yeah, that’s another thing on top of everything else. When I heard that he had a new special coming out, I knew it would have these exact types of jokes. It’s all that’s left for him. Some comedians can innovate as they age, but they are by far the exception. People like Ricky can only go this way. Remember Gallagher? Wow, I remember Gallagher. Please don’t lookup Gallagher.
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# ? May 25, 2022 03:23 |
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This is why comedians get attacked
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# ? May 25, 2022 03:24 |
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CelticPredator posted:This is why comedians get attacked yOu CaN't SaY aNyHiNg AnYmOrE! eVeRyOnE iS sO tRigGeReD! Every person who rants about how you're not allowed to say anything on a stage at a comedy show anymore is a person who has never been to a standup comedy show.
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# ? May 25, 2022 03:35 |
Nucleic Acids posted:Just the laziest poo poo imaginable. It’s the same thing with chappelle, they can’t actually come up with new material worth a poo poo. They’re too old, too rich, too out of touch, so instead of trying to fix it they just start playing to the cheap seats, the easily pleased, the dumb assholes who start giggling at the thought of using a slur. When Chappelle did a set opening for mulaney last week he completely ate poo poo, by all accounts, because on top of being transphobic and edgy it was bad.
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Segue posted:I remember reading that unlike in a lot of other countries, the UK never really got an established intersectional third wave feminism. As a result, a lot of their institutional powers established by the ardently white upper/middle-class feminism never really got questioned. Surprise surprise, it also has to do with England's awful class system: https://inews.co.uk/news/long-reads/secret-court-case-50-years-ago-robbed-transgender-people-rights-1291857 The story of Ewan Forbes shows how trans people were able to enjoy equality – until it was quietly removed to protect male rights of succession quote:A narrative has developed about the position of transgender people today that has become so widely accepted as to be assumed as fact: that it is only in the past few decades that trans people have begun to enjoy any rights; that trans women have always been more prominent than trans men; and most of all, that in recent years, trans people have been seeking to gain more rights than they’ve ever had before.
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HopperUK posted:It's also worth noting that where opinions polls of the general public have been arranged, it turns out most people are generally supportive of trans rights. But oh boy our media and celebrity sphere are just vicious and filled with TERFs. I've never understood why people call the uk terf Island when America has States banning kids getting puberty blockers and has a company like Netflix paying millions for 'comedy' specials where trans people are the joke. The uk isn't a 'good' place for trans people but it doesn't seem significantly worse than any other country. A lot of the main 'UK terfs' arnt even British.
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# ? May 25, 2022 08:22 |
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love the trend of comedians who go off about how theyre gonna break down all comedy barriers and then immediately aim for either the most acceptable target du jour or whatever their pet hatred is to the exclusion of all other subject matter lol
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between this and the increasingly popular woke bigotry shtick with people like maher it is incredibly annoying to exist at the moment
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Violen posted:love the trend of comedians who go off about how theyre gonna break down all comedy barriers and then immediately aim for either the most acceptable target du jour or whatever their pet hatred is to the exclusion of all other subject matter lol If that fat geriatric oval office truly wanted to get cancelled then this special would be an anti-monarchist one that repeatedly attacks Lizzy, and it would land beautifully just before her next bank holiday celebration. Instead he just went after trans people and then plagiarised some old observations from atheism. Hes a hack and a joke thief, and thats the two worst things you can say about any comic.
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Mega Comrade posted:I've never understood why people call the uk terf Island when America has States banning kids getting puberty blockers and has a company like Netflix paying millions for 'comedy' specials where trans people are the joke. The reason why UK TERFism attracts so much attention on forums such as this is because of its prevalence among otherwise fairly progressive liberal types. In the US most liberals are neutral or positive towards trans rights issues; in the UK many prominent liberals hold fairly standard progressive attitudes toward social issues, with the singular, burning exception of trans issues. This leads to people arguing passionately in one moment for, e.g., gay marriage, and then turning around and declaring trans men to be a symptom of a grand conspiracy to eradicate lesbians by convincing them they're actually men.
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OK that makes more sense thanks.
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If he really wanted to be cancelled, he'd do some type of a set about how Elizabeth the 2nd is a secret prostitute or something like that. But he'd be way too scared to do that.
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I don’t think you understand the sacrifice these comics make every night while on stage. The time spent crafting and refining a bit about unisex toilets is literally some of the hardest work you could ever imagine. Comics were the only real essential workers throughout all of the lockdowns, and without them the world would have struggled to function. Just imagine the pressure of staying ahead of the cancel cultures while still making sure free speech remains free! They’re literally paying the ultimate price for all of us - every night - while on stage. pls thank them for their service
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# ? May 25, 2022 11:58 |
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Mega Comrade posted:OK that makes more sense thanks. The fervent response to trans issues is born of a collision between second-wave feiminist self-righteousness and the condemnation of essentialist gender narratives. Basically, imagine if upper-middle to upper-class boomer and gen X white women were the only people who had any real influence in terms of gender politics. Now imagine that suddenly they've been told that their personal struggles are not the alpha and the omega of oppression, intersectionality is a thing, gender is in fact a complex and multifaceted social phenomenon, and their views on some issues are now outmoded at best and reactionary at worst. Those are the conditions that led to TERFism becoming such a prevalent narrative among many UK liberals.
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I really hate every time I see one of those “Ricky gervais DESTROYS Hollywood elites at the golden globes” clips. He got invited back.
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massive spider posted:I really hate every time I see one of those “Ricky gervais DESTROYS Hollywood elites at the golden globes” clips. He got invited back. *wags finger* "you lot are all SHAGGING each other!" boom roasted
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massive spider posted:I really hate every time I see one of those “Ricky gervais DESTROYS Hollywood elites at the golden globes” clips. He got invited back. FIVE TIMES
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MeinPanzer posted:The reason why UK TERFism attracts so much attention on forums such as this is because of its prevalence among otherwise fairly progressive liberal types. In the US most liberals are neutral or positive towards trans rights issues; in the UK many prominent liberals hold fairly standard progressive attitudes toward social issues, with the singular, burning exception of trans issues. Additionally, it can barely be overstated just how prevalent it is in UK media. IIRC in 2021 there was on average more than one anti-trans article in major publications per day, even from ostensibly more progressive publishers like the Guardian or BBC. While it's a relatively small movement, they've got an outsized medial reach.
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thrawn527 posted:Yeah, that’s another thing on top of everything else. When I heard that he had a new special coming out, I knew it would have these exact types of jokes. It’s all that’s left for him. Some comedians can innovate as they age, but they are by far the exception. People like Ricky can only go this way. Part of the problem is that these guys have a pretty ardent fan base who will laugh at anything they say just because it's Dave Chappelle or Ricky Gervais saying it. I watched a little of Dave's last special, and I kept wondering where the jokes were. He's just doing some wise sage bullshit, and that's supposed to be funny. So here's the thing - when you don't have to earn your laughs anymore, you don't get feedback when you do lazy and cheap material. So you don't learn "hey, this new poo poo doesn't work, I better adapt" and instead you just produce works that are variations on The Joke. A good comedian would look at the Trans-panic and see how upset and concerned people get about theoretical dangers that don't actually happen or are super rare and instead ignore or outright fight actions to stop the dangers that happen everyday. Bad comedians just make The Joke and think they're clever
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CPL593H posted:When he announced this special he said "[He wants] to get cancelled.". So he's basically being a teenage reddit poster but no one is paying attention to him because he's a pathetic washup no one cares about. He wants that Chapelle level controversy but the problem is that he was never as popular or well liked as Dave Chapelle. And certainly never as good a stand up comedian as Dave Chapelle. He's also not a standup, he's a comic actor.
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https://twitter.com/cowboyacaster/status/1386980286211166215
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Wow, someone actually using the trans subject to create comedy and succeed at it, how incredible that this one single person seems to be the only human on the planet capable of going "huh, trans people, well there's definitely some humor to be mined here" and not just yelling slurs for 10 minutes. So, Ricky Gervais has been doing this for years? Netflix really is catering to the 'anti-woke' comedians all in the sake of making it their brand.
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Netflix telling its employees to just quit if they don't like making poo poo content really tells you everything you need to know. moonmazed posted:i cordially invite you to go gently caress yourself Please report posts, I try not to read this thread daily for reasons and tbh I don't think Roth tracks this thread for her own reasons. Martman posted:I'm saying they don't sound like similar situations at all. The accusations against Chris Hardwick involved a pattern of behavior over a long period of time that iirc included controlling her daily habits etc. I can see how my language could read as "Aziz's thing wasn't bad" but like, the accusations against Hardwick were both very different AND a lot worse. Please be a little more careful with the wording. A lot of people dismissed the woman's incident as "one bad date" and that she should get over it. It was an extremely gross reaction to her story given the details of her account and the larger issue of consent and social power dynamics. I do agree it's different than the Chris Hardwick accusations which did involve ongoing emotional abuse and sexual abuse (I can't remember if there was physical abuse claims as well tbh). However these all stem from the same issue.
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pentyne posted:Wow, someone actually using the trans subject to create comedy and succeed at it, how incredible that this one single person seems to be the only human on the planet capable of going "huh, trans people, well there's definitely some humor to be mined here" and not just yelling slurs for 10 minutes. Ricky Gervais has absolutely has prior form on this kind of poo poo. When Thomas Beattie was in the news for being "the pregnant man," like, 10 years ago Gervais was on that radio show he did with Stephen Merchant, having a big rant about how Beattie isn't a "man," and how that news was bullshit. As if it's your loving decision to make, you loving hack.
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Oh poo poo, someone speaking truth to power in a way that's funny and insightful. I guess it can be done if you're not a lazy bigot. Full props to this dude, I should check out more of his work.
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The best Taskmaster contestants are the ones who tell off Ricky Gervais.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Oh poo poo, someone speaking truth to power in a way that's funny and insightful. I guess it can be done if you're not a lazy bigot. Full props to this dude, I should check out more of his work. Check his appearances on QI, and his own The Mash Report. Or, for that matter, his own standup. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdh7UO-SHvk He's fantastic.
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https://twitter.com/doublehelix/status/1429900056187052037?t=SJJfo85scO1dg4qzzHYxVA&s=19 What a loving child.
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Kate Moss just testified in the Heard-Depp trial. She was called as a witness by Depp’s team. She said the story that Depp pushed her down the stairs in the 1990s, which was reported in the press, is false. She slipped. In fact, Depp carried her up the stairs back to her room and got her medical help. She said Depp had never been abusive to her. Heard’s team previously cited this story and today declined to cross-examine Moss. There’s also been some testimony by “industry experts” from both sides about how big a star Heard really is — which would affect her claim to have lost work due to Depp’s claims. I thought Moss’s account about the alleged assault was directly relevant to the thread, but I hope people look at this in the broader context. There are still a slew of accusations about which there isn’t much clarity. Facts and claims will continue to tumble out. There’s no need to be a cheerleader.
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thrawn527 posted:Check his appearances on QI, and his own The Mash Report. Or, for that matter, his own standup. He's also a pretty frequent guest host on The Bugle.
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Vegetable posted:Kate Moss just testified in the Heard-Depp trial. This seems really bizarre, so Heard's lawyers were basically bringing up some tabloid rumors from the 90s? Shouldn't some part of this process included discovery where Moss was deposed and Heard's team would know she's going to refute that story? I thought the whole point of a trial is each side has to provide what they're going to present to the other side including witness lists. Granted this is from My Cousin Vinny but has been reinforced by every YT legal "this is why this is wrong" video I've ever seen. pentyne fucked around with this message at 21:37 on May 25, 2022 |
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