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Kevin DuBrow posted:I read Man of Iron recently and what on Terra did UR-025 mean when he said I have met the Omnissiah, the actual one, not the Earthling corpse? Even knowing about the Emperor and the Void Dragon I couldn't guess as to whom he was alluding to. Is this answered in more recent works? My guess is some sort of Dark Age of Technology/Golden Age of Humanity super AI.
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Kevin DuBrow posted:I read Man of Iron recently and what on Terra did UR-025 mean when he said I have met the Omnissiah, the actual one, not the Earthling corpse? Even knowing about the Emperor and the Void Dragon I couldn't guess as to whom he was alluding to. Is this answered in more recent works? It is unclear
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Sinner Sandwich posted:They said on twitter its the FFG RT system. Ah, missed that and only peeked at the announcement mentioning Koronus Expanse as the region.
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Jun 4, 2022 14:29
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The Pathfinder games by the same devs were pretty Rocket Tag to me (After you get out of the starting areas and start getting multiple attacks per turn etc) and they were still good. I haven't played either of the tabletop systems though.
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Jun 4, 2022 14:55
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Just so that I'm clear, rocket tag refers to both the PCs and NPCs being powerful enough to basically instant kill each other, right? Playing tag with rocket launchers?
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Jun 4, 2022 15:16
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Improbable Lobster posted:Just so that I'm clear, rocket tag refers to both the PCs and NPCs being powerful enough to basically instant kill each other, right? Playing tag with rocket launchers? Correct
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Jun 4, 2022 15:21
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I believe as a gameplay term it dates back to the original Doom and using the Rocket Launcher in MP.
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Jun 4, 2022 16:47
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I clicked the wrong button on my kindle and bought one of the newer charcarodons books and drat is it painful to read sometimes. The dialogue between brothers is sometimes laughable and stories with the eldar are usually so cringe
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Jun 5, 2022 05:08
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Brendan Rodgers posted:The Pathfinder games by the same devs were pretty Rocket Tag to me (After you get out of the starting areas and start getting multiple attacks per turn etc) and they were still good. I haven't played either of the tabletop systems though. https://writeups.letsyouandhimfight.com/night10194/warhammer-40000-roleplay-rogue-trader/ If you have some time over there's a goon writeup of the game here. I think does into detail about just how broken the game can be because it uses the Warhammer Fantasy RPG system and was not made for characters that powerful. I know the biggest complaint about them is that their encounter balance is whack, but that is also apparently because Paizo is trash at them as the campaigns were taken verbatim from the tabletop versions.
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Jun 5, 2022 14:43
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Cooked Auto posted:I know the biggest complaint about them is that their encounter balance is whack, but that is also apparently because Paizo is trash at them as the campaigns were taken verbatim from the tabletop versions. I liked it, I hope Rogue Trader is the same. You get a lot of evil janky encounters thrown at you in the Pathfinder video games, but your characters have incredible potential too if you build them right, so it does devolve into rocket tag with your only real protections being crowd control and magic buffs etc. On paper that looks bad to me but then I compare it to something like PoE. I played Pillars of Eternity and even on Path of the Damned difficulty it was trivial, the whole game was this kind of over-designed mashed potato (Sorry if you're reading this Rope Kid). When playing through Kingmaker on normal difficulty it had me dying and reloading fights, and trying to min/max my characters, the rpg combat side was much more memorable. The key is having the right amount of jankiness. You can't have too little. Probably works better in a singleplayer video game, you're not ending a whole social group game with one bad fireball roll. Brendan Rodgers fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Jun 5, 2022 |
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Jun 5, 2022 16:15
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The new movie reminded me: if GW ever actually explains the 2 lost legions I hope one of their gimmicks is being the Top Gun space marines who specialize in atmospheric air fighting.
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Jun 6, 2022 00:18
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0konner posted:The new movie reminded me: if GW ever actually explains the 2 lost legions I hope one of their gimmicks is being the Top Gun space marines who specialize in atmospheric air fighting. no. real world, its so that the player can use their imaginations and make up their own secret mary sue loyalist/chaos legion with biggus dickus the primarch or whatever. in lore, probably never outside that they were purged as were their legions and Big E made it a big secret to never talk about it. assumbly they were either super hosed up chaos or worse or something. like it had to be something worse then angeron or kurz.
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Jun 6, 2022 02:21
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One of my favourite bits of 40k is that someone in the early days was bright enough to leave enough gaps for people to fill their own stuff in, so I really, really hope they never do.
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Jun 6, 2022 02:39
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I feel like the original purpose of the lost primarchs was good, when the setting was raw and unformed but now they've filled in so many gaps that there's not really any need for them anymore. Like I have yet to see anyone fielding a lost primarch army, and I feel like anyone who does would probably get sneered at these days. So I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually get found or at least their stories get told.
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Jun 6, 2022 03:57
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I actually remember an interview with one of the early GW dudes and he said the original purpose was just to give some mystery and the "for players to create their own" justification came later. But yeah I like that we don't know although I would like to see more hints and references in the lore so we have stories that may or may not be true kind of like Alpharius origin stories before his primarch book or the emperor's origin where we have actual lore we just don't know if it's correct. As it is we get very slight references with no clue at all what might have went down.
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Jun 6, 2022 04:23
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In my internal canon: One of the lost legions was explicitly too evil for the emperor to tolerate and had to be put down, while the other legion was too good and refused to participate in the Great Crusade so they met a similar fate.
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Jun 6, 2022 04:55
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Dapper_Swindler posted:no. real world, its so that the player can use their imaginations and make up their own secret mary sue loyalist/chaos legion with biggus dickus the primarch or whatever. in lore, probably never outside that they were purged as were their legions and Big E made it a big secret to never talk about it. assumbly they were either super hosed up chaos or worse or something. like it had to be something worse then angeron or kurz. The leading theory atm is that one of the primarchs (and much of their legion) was minded controlled by xenos during the war against the Rangdan and he killed the other primarch, Leman Russ killed him in turn, earning him the title of Executioner. The remains of their legions were folded into the Ultramarines, which is why they're the largest.
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Jun 6, 2022 05:50
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That's unfortunate, but wiping all them and their legions names from history seems a bit of an overreaction. Especially for the legion that got back-stabbed.
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Jun 6, 2022 08:40
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The whole Lost Primarch thing comes off as something that made a lot more sense earlier on, when everything was quite loose and vague. Now we've had the whole Heresy series show detailed canon for so much else, keeping quiet about this one thing feels clunky. That said, I can't really imagine any story or explanation feeling satisfying at this point. Given what the other Primarchs get up to, nothing else is going to seem that much worse, to warrant all the secrecy.
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Jun 6, 2022 08:53
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40K fiction needs more ambiguity, not less.
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Jun 6, 2022 09:28
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Deptfordx posted:That's unfortunate, but wiping all them and their legions names from history seems a bit of an overreaction. Especially for the legion that got back-stabbed. Isn't the current supposition that they were wiped out in name only and most of the actual legionnaires were absorbed into the Ultramarines?
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It doesn't really make sense though, because with how geneseeds work there'd be a whole pile of Ultramarines that don't look like Rowboat at all. Of course they've kind of quietly sidelined that bit of fluff over the years too so 
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Arquinsiel posted:It doesn't really make sense though, because with how geneseeds work there'd be a whole pile of Ultramarines that don't look like Rowboat at all. Of course they've kind of quietly sidelined that bit of fluff over the years too so It's always been variable how much marines look like their Primarchs. It's mentioned as notable how strong the resemblance is in the Sons of Horus and Alpha Legion.
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Jun 6, 2022 11:09
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Back when I started playing it wasn't variable at all, which is why you got people getting huffy about Blood Angels that weren't blonde. It's one of many things that GW probably should have thought harder about in the beginning TBH.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:It's always been variable how much marines look like their Primarchs. It's mentioned as notable how strong the resemblance is in the Sons of Horus and Alpha Legion. Sons of Horus has a geneseed flaw - alopecia.
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Z the IVth posted:Sons of Horus has a geneseed flaw - alopecia. The traitor side had more bald Primarchs. The Emperor knows that hair are your aerials to the universe and bald headed men produce more uptight emotions in the warp, but he hosed up on transferring his luscious hair to them, or maybe Erda hosed it up, or maybe it's one of the things the Chaos Gods interfered with in their birth. 
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:40K fiction needs more ambiguity, not less.
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The lost legions do fit into the setting. Two primarchs did something so bad the Emps had to sanction them shows that the primarchs had agency and were just not flesh and warp automatons. It also shows that yet again while the Emps had humanities best interests at heart he was quite OK with breaking a few eggs to make his omelette. It lays the story groundwork for the Heresy and stops it from coming out of the blue. Where the crimes that got them persona non grata'd milder than the Heresy? Did one just refuse to follow the fascist plan? Did one get mind controlled? Did one fall to Chaos early as a warm up? Gravitas Shortfall posted:40K fiction needs more ambiguity, not less. To me it works better as an unknown Sword of Damocles as it helps make the characterisation better.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:40K fiction needs more ambiguity, not less. Yup
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'I don't want to bring the galaxy to compliance. You're not my real space dad' 😠
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Deptfordx posted:'I don't want to bring the galaxy to compliance. You're not my real space dad' 😠 Big mood
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:40K fiction needs more ambiguity, not less. Nah, there's already tons.
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Brendan Rodgers posted:The traitor side had more bald Primarchs. The Emperor knows that hair are your aerials to the universe and bald headed men produce more uptight emotions in the warp, but he hosed up on transferring his luscious hair to them, or maybe Erda hosed it up, or maybe it's one of the things the Chaos Gods interfered with in their birth. Erda wanted to give them all perfect hair but Emps went  about how you should spend more time doing fascism rather than preening about in front of a mirror and wow would you look at that.
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it is kinda weird that nearly all the chaos painters are more experienced (cuz actual noobs just get tac marines yadda yadda), and the omnipresent baldness is to make it easier to paint, so all the experienced painters are getting the easier to paint ones and the less experienced painters are getting the harder to paint ones should be imperials are baldies and chaos should be the ones w hair, realistically
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I like the new Votann lore. Iron bros!
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Yvonmukluk posted:I like the new Votann lore. The weapon info dump on them also basically confirms they taught the tau about Ion Tech.
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theyre prolly gonna go and try to figure out gotrek in space, won't they?
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There's a big split in the Admech about how much xeno tech should be avoided. Cawl's faction, for example, believe that almost any technology should be dissected and adopted since the Omnissiah is the source of all reasoned thought anyway. They'd only balk at something like Slaugth stuff.
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bob dobbs is dead posted:theyre prolly gonna go and try to figure out gotrek in space, won't they? In a suprise twist they bring Felix to 40k.
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bob dobbs is dead posted:theyre prolly gonna go and try to figure out gotrek in space, won't they? Buddy if it's like gotrek in AoS it'll be great just a drunken insane killing machine making GBS threads on everything he sees
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