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CJacobs posted:Nearly every time. This gag actually leads to my favorite little moment of characterization in the game, if you do the first person prompt at the end of MGS3 while the Shagohod is blowing up, he's looking Eva in the eyes instead of at her chest. I avoided naming a game specifically because I couldn't remember if it was MGS3 or MGS4.
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Hel posted:Sorry, Snake staring down Naomi's dress or dropping cigarettes for an excuse to look up Mei Ling's skirt during important briefings is just creepy, not flavourful. Old Snake is a lot more guilty of the negative variant of this trope, where it's portrayed as a clever or cheeky thing old men can get away with as long as they hover but don't touch the edit: With that said I could picture it forming a commentary on how men are or are allowed to become more openly perverted with age. In MGS4 it restores the psych gauge to peep Naomi's chest, after she drains it by emasculating him in the same scene. Just prior to that there's a scene with Drebin which also drains your psych gauge because he insults Snake's age but the way you restore it is by mashing X instead. Spot the difference. CJacobs has a new favorite as of 09:12 on Jun 8, 2022 |
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CJacobs posted:Old Snake is a lot more guilty of the negative variant of this trope, where it's portrayed as a clever or cheeky thing old men can get away with as long as they hover but don't touch the Sadly, MGS4 also has molestation mechanics and Old Snake gets his rear end kicked for molesting the FROGS, while they like it if Young Snake does. Yeah MGS1 had creep shots of Meryl in her underwear but Snake wasn't the perv he would later become. Basically later MGS falls to the level of a David Cage game and it's odd that Kojima got away with just jokes about "regretting your words and deeds" and people celebrating rape jokes in Smash. Hel has a new favorite as of 09:20 on Jun 8, 2022 |
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Well hey to RareAcumen's point, yeah, take a look at what Quiet's not wearing and then how many times Venom leers at her. Hell he fireman carries her and throws a coat over her in their first scene together. They leave all that, unfortunately, to the camera and/or player because it's not part of that guy's character versus say Raiden or Snake. edit: And see I say unfortunately because the guy himself clearly doesn't care, so it then feels out of place to have moments where the omniscient camera still obviously does. It stuck out more that way, almost. CJacobs has a new favorite as of 09:24 on Jun 8, 2022 |
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Getting kissed by Ocelot also restores his Psyche gauge.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Getting kissed by Ocelot also restores his Psyche gauge. Equal opportunity lechery
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I may resent Kojima on his soapbox, as half the stuff in Death Stranding made me roll my eyes or puke, but what puts him above David Cage is that his games have actual gameplay with interesting mechanics.
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Hel posted:Sadly, MGS4 also has molestation mechanics and Old Snake gets his rear end kicked for molesting the FROGS, while they like it if Young Snake does. What now? 
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Len posted:What now? The Paz assist trophy in Smash Ultimate comes equipped with a Bob-omb as a reference to the part in MGSV: Ground Zeroes where she and Chico( a child soldier) are raped, and she has a bomb implanted in her vagina, which is what blows up the helicopter at the end, killing both of them. The only response to it I've seen online have been people laughing at the reference. It's a super loving tasteless joke even if it wasn't in a kids game and the fact that it's still there means Nintendo is OK with it.
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Hel posted:The Paz assist trophy in Smash Ultimate comes equipped with a Bob-omb as a reference to the part in MGSV: Ground Zeroes where she and Chico( a child soldier) are raped, and she has a bomb implanted in her vagina, which is what blows up the helicopter at the end, killing both of them. The only response to it I've seen online have been people laughing at the reference. It's a super loving tasteless joke even if it wasn't in a kids game and the fact that it's still there means Nintendo is OK with it. That has gotta be the most hosed up thing that ever happened in MGS. Like, it's genuinely horrifying and I still can't believe it actually made it into the game. Honestly, I don't really think it's necessarily Snake's character even. Kojima's just a horny dude and so it's reflected in his games, as evidenced by the weird Quiet debacle. Honestly so is Yoko Taro, but in a different way. And probably the biggest difference is that Yoko Taro seems to mostly (as far as I can remember anyway) reflect that in how his characters dress and stuff like the upskirt joke and just sort of embraces that part, whereas Kojima gets real weird with it and then denies it  it's bizzare. I think sometimes Kojima fell for the "gritty realism" of making things uncomfortably dark sometimes as well, like in the above example.The MGS series is still really fun, but there's a whole lot of weird stuff, and some assuredly uncomfortable stuff, in it for sure. Like even in MGS3, Volgin is absolutely implied to be torturing Eva throughout the entire game. IIRC it's implied he's also doing it for his sexual gratification, but I don't think the game ever outright says that he's raping her as well. Since we're in the favorite things thread though I still think MGSV is probably my favorite stealth game of all time. Just the sheer amount of interactivity and ways you can approach everything, the later gadgets, just such a great toolset and sandbox world to play in. Not really my favorite MGS game, but my favorite stealth game if that makes sense Weird Pumpkin has a new favorite as of 12:55 on Jun 8, 2022 |
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Yeah, one of the (many) little things that makes me like Metal Gear : Survive, is that it doesn't have any of the creepy sexist poo poo. The closest it gets is the DLC custumes and that's only because the only recognizable female costumes from the series were already sexualized. And even then iirc they skip the worst stuff like Quiet. Another (not so little) thing is that it goes all in on the theme of recycling as a contrast to the main games themes of repetition/ recreation. You aren't making more materials, everything is recycled from stuff you find, with the exception of wood. But even then you get more wood from smashing barrels, boxes and telephone poles than cutting down trees. You aren't making new weapons or gear, you are just fixing up broken ones you find. Instead of gathering a slave legion by brainwashing like in 5, you are just making do with the survivors you find. Recontextualizing the whole army/base building stuff makes it so much better. The bad "guy" is modern MGS nanomachines and you defeat it by shooting it with one of the MGS 5 nanomachines so they eat each other. The enemies are mostly zombies which work the same as the zombies in MGS4 and 5. But since you are in a hell world, you are also basically burning the zombies for fuel to survive. Once you fill up your water/ food bar, it disappears from your main UI until its actually low again and it decays slower, which removes one of the main annoyances in survival games, where it's just you constantly topping up your bars. It's very much a game made by recycled assets to make back some of the money poured into MGS5, but it's also a game made by the people that made and understand the MGS series and it's a different take and commentary on the mainline series. While also being a pretty good Horror/Survival game( but no survival horror). I'm not saying you should buy it, because Konami doesn't deserve your money( and it's not going to the devs anyway) but it's actually a neat game, made by the people that actually made MGS, and not just the people you know about.
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Hel posted:The Paz assist trophy in Smash Ultimate comes equipped with a Bob-omb as a reference to the part in MGSV: Ground Zeroes where she and Chico( a child soldier) are raped, and she has a bomb implanted in her vagina, which is what blows up the helicopter at the end, killing both of them. The only response to it I've seen online have been people laughing at the reference. It's a super loving tasteless joke even if it wasn't in a kids game and the fact that it's still there means Nintendo is OK with it. What in the actual gently caress
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One of the funniest parts of Nier Automata is that if you want the female protagonists to put clothes on, you have to shell out for the DLC and fight through a super hard series of arena fights (for the right to wear clothing)
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So basically Kojima and Taro have circled back around to "I'm only reading Playboy for the articles, honest!"
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Cythereal posted:So basically Kojima and Taro have circled back around to "I'm only reading Playboy for the articles, honest!" Pretty sure Taro is still firmly in "Nah, I'm here for the pictures. The articles aren't bad though." territory.
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Frank Frank posted:One of the funniest parts of Nier Automata is that if you want the female protagonists to put clothes on, you have to shell out for the DLC and fight through a super hard series of arena fights (for the right to wear clothing) Also if you want them to wear much less clothing 
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2house2fly posted:Also if you want them to wear much less clothing The one lady is basically wearing Lilu Multipass bandages to begin with so I'm not sure how that's possible.
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Randalor posted:Pretty sure Taro is still firmly in "Nah, I'm here for the pictures. The articles aren't bad though." territory. drat right.
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moonmazed posted:that seems a bit young for a game that makes a whole Thing out of looking up the main character's skirt gently caress off
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moonmazed posted:that seems a bit young for a game that makes a whole Thing out of looking up the main character's skirt My son wears a skirt and heels now because he wants to be like 2B.
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Hel posted:Sorry, Snake staring down Naomi's dress or dropping cigarettes for an excuse to look up Mei Ling's skirt during important briefings is just creepy, not flavourful. It's funny because both Snakes* are dirty old men. *does not apply to Venom Snake.
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My son played the superior Nier game and he's a shirtless barbarian trying and failing to fish because he's too stupid to follow a giant glowing X.
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Screaming Idiot posted:My son played the superior Nier game and he's a shirtless barbarian trying and failing to fish because he's too stupid to follow a giant glowing X. I'll admit that I fished in the wrong place in the PS3 version, however both the ingame instructions and the manual explain the mechanics of fishing wrong in that version.
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Help, my son keeps eating mushrooms and trying to jump down the toilet. He crushed our pet turtle!
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Randalor posted:Pretty sure Taro is still firmly in "Nah, I'm here for the pictures. The articles aren't bad though." territory. Yeah, I have much more respect for Yoko Taro over Kojima, because Kojima tried to make excuses, while Taro pretty much just said "Nah, they're dressed like that because I wanted to see cosplayers dress like that.". Dudes just straight up horny but he isnt being sneaky about it, it is what it is.
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Agents are GO! posted:I'll admit that I fished in the wrong place in the PS3 version, however both the ingame instructions and the manual explain the mechanics of fishing wrong in that version. You need not make excuses, my giant, rugged son.
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SiKboy posted:Yeah, I have much more respect for Yoko Taro over Kojima, because Kojima tried to make excuses, while Taro pretty much just said "Nah, they're dressed like that because I wanted to see cosplayers dress like that.". Dudes just straight up horny but he isnt being sneaky about it, it is what it is. Yeah, like it's still kind of weird but the fact that Yoko Taro just owns his horniness and doesn't try to make an excuse why all of his robots in the apocalypse future dress like maids with super short skirts and do flips all the time makes it somehow less weird. It's still horny but it's an honest, hard working kind of horny that you can almost begrudgingly respect Kojima's "you will regret your words and deeds" when he made Quiet wear almost nothing, and then made her do suggestive yoga poses constantly in the chopper when you befriend her, is way creepier to me
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PYF: little things in games: an honest, hard working kind of horny
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Zil posted:PYF: little things in games: an honest, hard working kind of horny 
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Honestly I wish certain devs would just make full on porn games like they clearly want to. I understand the market forces( and American morals) that make it impossible but still. Just go for it rather than make it a half measure that leaves no one satisfied.
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For me, it generally comes down to questions like "is this design consistent with the rest of the game", "does it make sense for this character to dress/behave like they do", and "is the setting/scene mood appropriate for this". It's pretty damned rare for a game to answer "yes" to those questions and still be horny without being an outright pornographic game (Bayonetta is honestly the only example I can think of), but the better the job you do of sensibly integrating your horny into the game world, the less I'll feel like my hormones are being pandered to.
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Hel posted:Honestly I wish certain devs would just make full on porn games like they clearly want to. I understand the market forces( and American morals) that make it impossible but still. Just go for it rather than make it a half measure that leaves no one satisfied. my dude Nier was a series that historically has sold like absolute poo poo outside of Japan up until the release of Autotomato you're not wrong about your point but it clearly wasn't American morals restricting Yoko Taro from making his dream porn game 
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The thing about the MGS games and all the weird horny stuff is that when you come down to it Hideo Kojima is and always will be japanese
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Elvis_Maximus posted:Yeah, like it's still kind of weird but the fact that Yoko Taro just owns his horniness and doesn't try to make an excuse why all of his robots in the apocalypse future dress like maids with super short skirts and do flips all the time makes it somehow less weird. It's still horny but it's an honest, hard working kind of horny that you can almost begrudgingly respect Also all the dudes are dishy bishy twinks, so it doesn't feel as skeevy. Equal opportunity! Horniness for everyone! Unless you like big burly dudes, then you're hosed.
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Also all the dudes are dishy bishy twinks, so it doesn't feel as skeevy. Equal opportunity! Horniness for everyone! You can blow the male android’s pants off and make him run around in his underwear if that’s your thing. Also I’m p sure 2B is the only “dude” in the game.
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ishikabibble posted:my dude Nier was a series that historically has sold like absolute poo poo outside of Japan up until the release of Autotomato I was talking more generally than just Nier and it has been a lot of Anglo-American morals that stop this, even if the move to digital distribution have changed stuff a bit. Issues like Walmart refusing to stock games rated too high used to be a massive issue even for non-American devs, as long as their publishers were Americans. Which is also an issue because international game ratings being kinder on violence and harder on sex than many local ratings for other media is an issue. e.g. PEGI puts a 16+ rating on realistic ( and 18+ for explicit) depictions of sex for games, but the Swedish movie rating system puts 15+ on distressing sexuality, while other kinds of sexual content have no rating.
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Also all the dudes are dishy bishy twinks, so it doesn't feel as skeevy. Equal opportunity! Horniness for everyone! Papa Nier in the good Nier game should be more than enough for anybody.
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Y'all got some pretty wacky notion of where pornography begins
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My Lovely Horse posted:Y'all got some pretty wacky notion of where pornography begins People masturbate to weird poo poo you would not believe, friend
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Elvis_Maximus posted:Yeah, like it's still kind of weird but the fact that Yoko Taro just owns his horniness and doesn't try to make an excuse why all of his robots in the apocalypse future dress like maids with super short skirts and do flips all the time makes it somehow less weird. It's still horny but it's an honest, hard working kind of horny that you can almost begrudgingly respect Quiet's cell with her various actions there, and the radio playing, is a fistful of dollars being tossed away from a show at a strip club. What makes it even worse is they actually show at one point late-game just how much skin Quiet NEEDS to be able to breathe fine and it's a lot less than "necessary tactical bikini". And even that could've been hand-waved into something vaguely 'normal' with a cutoff tanktop and shorts like Lara Croft's.
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