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Evolved Lancet and Evolved Laurel is the legit way to kill death. You know, the holiest artifacts out there that require you to have grasped an unknowable truth that allows you to see beyond the veil of reality. Anything else is tricky. I've always WANTED to see if you could just eventually wear them down if you're theoretically infinitely sustainable, but I don't think you actually do that much single target damage in this game. I don't even know what the best things for that are. Critting daggers, I guess? Although you can't aim at death unless they're frozen.
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Annointed posted:I'm having trouble figuring out how best to use the pick up everything Arcana with the healing gold frenzy arcana. I think they can make a great combo for farming but I have no idea exactly what else to pick. Sarabande of Healing, turn the healing you get from gold into pain you inflict on enemies, assuming any can get close enough to be within the damage radius.
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Jun 12, 2022 03:51
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Grondoth posted:Evolved Lancet and Evolved Laurel is the legit way to kill death. You know, the holiest artifacts out there that require you to have grasped an unknowable truth that allows you to see beyond the veil of reality. The old strategies for killing death involved like wedging yourself into a corner where enemies couldn't get to you and only gaining like one or two levels, then trying to grab some XP crystals in the moments between the clock hitting 30:00 and death making contact and killing you. You gain like dozens of levels and aim to get laurel and clock lancet, then just kill him with normal weapons and keep him stunlocked with the lancet.
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Jun 12, 2022 03:58
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Steelion posted:The Shroud makes Death *mostly* survivable, but surviving indefinitely requires some mix of armor and regen, either innate or via weapon hits.
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Jun 12, 2022 05:12
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Jelly posted:Confirmed this on my last run. I'd also evolved the guns so I had a ton of revives. I would have to look but the revives must make you tougher somehow. I died fairly quickly the first time but by my last one I was almost keeping my health stable. Made it 33+ minutes which was great as I needed that 31+ achievement and I'm not trying to kill death when I was over level 140. If you took the relevant arcana, each revival buffs your stats pretty significantly.
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Jun 12, 2022 05:28
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thecluckmeme posted:I've tried both the Laurel and Lancet characters, as well as Pugnala, to try and kill red death on stage 5. I am getting shoved into lockers by minute 13. I usually go for Garlic or Bible immediately, for health regen or spacing, and attractorb + water so I can get that nice moat around me that heavy hitters have to go through while chiming in all the gems. At that point, I either speedrun the upgrades for the primary weapon of my character after killing Blue Death at 5 minutes, or I try to speedrun other passives for my other weapons so I can grab Duplicator, Tiragisu, and Crown at freebies. I generally die at the 15 minute part. Garlic's a nice convenience tool for speeding up the early-game a bit, but I don't usually use it when I'm going for Shroud/Corridor, because grabbing both the Lancet and the Laurel uses up two weapon slots - leaving you with only four slots for stuff that actually kills things. Using one of those slots on Garlic speeds up your early-game leveling a bit but means you can only have three weapons that do significant damage to enemies, which makes beefier waves a bit rough.
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Jun 12, 2022 05:42
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Vizuyos posted:Garlic's a nice convenience tool for speeding up the early-game a bit, but I don't usually use it when I'm going for Shroud/Corridor, because grabbing both the Lancet and the Laurel uses up two weapon slots - leaving you with only four slots for stuff that actually kills things. Using one of those slots on Garlic speeds up your early-game leveling a bit but means you can only have three weapons that do significant damage to enemies, which makes beefier waves a bit rough. Unless you go for a merger weapon first and fill the resulting open slot with one of the lancet/laurel later (since you probably want to grab the rings and arrows as passive items 7+ if possible)
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Jun 12, 2022 08:37
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Grondoth posted:Evolved Lancet and Evolved Laurel is the legit way to kill death. You know, the holiest artifacts out there that require you to have grasped an unknowable truth that allows you to see beyond the veil of reality.
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Jun 12, 2022 11:54
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What were some of these places that people wedged themselves into? the best I've ever done on death was accidentally on the courtyard stage where I stood near some trees just before 30:00 and death got stuck on them. I was pounding away at the guy for like a solid half minute before another spawned in and also got stuck. I only made it to about 4 deaths on screen before they overwhelmed me. I understand lancet/Laurel are preferred for their consistency and ease of use, but I'm curious about the other, non-lancet/laurel methods people have seen or tried
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Jun 12, 2022 15:58
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For people having problems getting to level 99 -- the most important thing to pickup is the passive attractorb item. With meta upgrades and at level 5 it will pick up nearly every gem on the screen when you kill stuff, and you will just absolutely bloom up in levels very quickly from it assuming you are killing stuff fast enough.
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Jun 12, 2022 16:31
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I've just gotten in the habit of picking evolved Pentagram for all those level 99 challenges. It's more reliable than my old tactic of saving an attractorb pick-up until 29:30/45 as a back-up.
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Jun 12, 2022 16:44
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Attractorb is the most powerful item in the game and I only ever don't pick it now that the arcana that vacuums everything into every 2 minutes exists and even then you still want it. Clock and Laurel upgrades with upgraded knifes gets you a kill at about 31:30 reliably. Without those you can survive basically forever with Christine with regular clock and laurel and max cooldown book and duration. Had no chance of killing death but quit out of a run at 90 minutes and hadn't died a single time. CARRIERHASARRIVED posted:What were some of these places that people wedged themselves into? the best I've ever done on death was accidentally on the courtyard stage where I stood near some trees just before 30:00 and death got stuck on them. I was pounding away at the guy for like a solid half minute before another spawned in and also got stuck. I only made it to about 4 deaths on screen before they overwhelmed me. Behind the table and chairs at the top of the library, its on the wiki and it was pretty reliable, but I think the previous patch fixed the projectile being inside Death thing that made it tick. The strat was turn off magnet ugprades, get level 2 on Clerici using the free level up at the start, if you don't get runetracer then reset. Wedge yourself in the tables where the runetracer bullets will get stuck and be bigger than you so you can't get hurt. You turned magnet off so you don't level up because you want to be level 2 when Death spawns at 30 minutes so he has minimum health. You run out and grab a red gem that's been sitting there since 3 minutes in, level up to 115+ and pick a certain set of items and wedge yourself back in and Death either can't reach you because he's stuck on the bookshelf on the side or he takes a bazillion runetracer bullets a second when he gets near you because they're ginormous and stuck. Death is basically impossible to kill (or at least, in a reasonable time of less than 10 hours) outside of upgraded lancet above level 2 without a weird trick like invincible missingno. Regular laurel with good cooldown is fine, but the health halving is the important bit.
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Jun 12, 2022 16:48
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Feldegast42 posted:For people having problems getting to level 99 -- the most important thing to pickup is the passive attractorb item. With meta upgrades and at level 5 it will pick up nearly every gem on the screen when you kill stuff, and you will just absolutely bloom up in levels very quickly from it assuming you are killing stuff fast enough. My personal record is level 227, which I got by fast-tracking early offense and putting Pentagram/Gorgeous Moon in my final slot at the 15 minute mark. With that you don't need the attractorb. I got the last 27 or 28 levels within the last minute of the run.
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Jun 12, 2022 18:52
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I just got Crimson Shroud for the first time but I didn't get Infinite Corridor, so I'm immortal but don't have the ability to kill Death. There are like twenty Deaths spawned and they still can't kill me. Have I softlocked? It would be a shame to quit because I got at least three unlockables during this run.
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Jun 12, 2022 18:55
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pospysyl posted:I just got Crimson Shroud for the first time but I didn't get Infinite Corridor, so I'm immortal but don't have the ability to kill Death. There are like twenty Deaths spawned and they still can't kill me. Have I softlocked? It would be a shame to quit because I got at least three unlockables during this run. You still get achievements and unlocks if you quit out after 30 minutes.
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Jun 12, 2022 18:57
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pospysyl posted:I just got Crimson Shroud for the first time but I didn't get Infinite Corridor, so I'm immortal but don't have the ability to kill Death. There are like twenty Deaths spawned and they still can't kill me. Have I softlocked? It would be a shame to quit because I got at least three unlockables during this run. It has been me experience that choosing Quit still gives you the unlocks. But I'd hate to be responsible for you losing those because you listened to me, so take it with a grain of salt.
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Jun 12, 2022 18:58
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Well, I quit and still got my unlocks. Thanks everyone! At 54 survival minutes my stats are going to be a little skewed.
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pospysyl posted:I just got Crimson Shroud for the first time but I didn't get Infinite Corridor, so I'm immortal but don't have the ability to kill Death. There are like twenty Deaths spawned and they still can't kill me. Have I softlocked? It would be a shame to quit because I got at least three unlockables during this run.
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Jun 12, 2022 19:02
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Don't you want to kill death for those sweet sweet eggs?
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Jun 12, 2022 19:28
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Centzon Totochtin posted:Don't you want to kill death for those sweet sweet eggs? sure, but if your options are "wait for hours and potentially crash the game trying kill Death" and "quit out early, keep your unlocks, and miss out on 5 eggs," it's good to know that option is there
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Jun 12, 2022 19:36
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Five eggs is like five percent of an extra projectile. Big whoop.
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Just got my first White Death on Stage 5. Thousands Edge seems mandatory before you get the 15 minute mark, then snapping up all the items. I was fully upgraded at 27:00 because I left a chest around the middle of the map EXPLICITLY so I know I had a chest to evolve the lancet. It took all 3 revives just to survive the onslaught of smaller red deaths
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Jun 12, 2022 20:12
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No thoughts, only eggs, only big number
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Jun 12, 2022 20:16
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thecluckmeme posted:Just got my first White Death on Stage 5. Thousands Edge seems mandatory before you get the 15 minute mark, then snapping up all the items. I was fully upgraded at 27:00 because I left a chest around the middle of the map EXPLICITLY so I know I had a chest to evolve the lancet. I made it to White Death using Smith. I was using all three union weapons, as well as the Laurel, Lancet, and I forget what the sixth was (maybe the wand?). The damage reduction effect of the laurel and health recovery from the whip kept me going.
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Jun 12, 2022 20:30
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Smith is hilarious, i got to -95% cooldown with him once
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Jun 12, 2022 20:34
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Wait, is white death at stage 5 important for something?
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Jun 12, 2022 20:45
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Steelion posted:Smith is hilarious, i got to -95% cooldown with him once Cooldown reduction is, sadly, hard capped at 90%. Which is too bad, because Missingno can start with cooldowns of -135% and the like. Though the real comedy with Missingo is when you have Area of 200+%. Grondoth posted:Wait, is white death at stage 5 important for something? A ton of smaller enemies swarm you at the end of Stage 5, making survival much harder, similar to Gallo's Tower.
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Jun 12, 2022 20:48
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EclecticTastes posted:Cooldown reduction is, sadly, hard capped at 90%. Which is too bad, because Missingno can start with cooldowns of -135% and the like. Though the real comedy with Missingo is when you have Area of 200+%. I had Cooldown -80something and Area -98% on him, which meant he was constantly making GBS threads out near-invisible projectiles. Everything looked like it was dying for no reason just from being vaguely in his general vicinity. Anyway, I'm having trouble getting an infinite extra time gold rush farm going on in Map 5. I took Crimson Shroud, plus Thunder Loop, Phieraggi, La Borra, NO FUTURE and Death Sickle, with Torrona's Box/Empty Tome/Stone Mask/Armour/Attractorb/Candelabador as passives, picking up all stage items. Arcanas were Disco of Gold, Awake and Iron Blue Will. But I kept dropping my Gold Rush. I didn't use up any of my Awake revives, they were just for putting extra beams on Phieraggi. Should I drop NO FUTURE/Armour for something else (but it does so much DPS!)? Sub out IBW for Sarabande? Drop La Borra? Something else? Where am I going wrong?
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Couple questions - Who is Smith I've seen mentioned recently? The last few times I've got to red death I reach a stalemate (by freezing him and running away?) and then white death just came for me. What triggers that, because it sounds like some people don't get to white death and get stuck in a loop with red death? Is it possible to get missingno anymore?
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Jun 13, 2022 03:35
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CzarChasm posted:Couple questions - Who is Smith I've seen mentioned recently? You get missingno by editing your save file (there are a million guides to it online). Smith is the new secret, named for Smith the horse from Ultima, and unlocked by typing spam on the main menu, character select screen, level select screen, and then typing humbug during the level, all within thirty seconds (which is a reference to how you access the cheat menu in Ultima VI).
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Question and a comment: Question: What's up with the curse upgrade (purchased)? Why am I wanting to make my game more difficult? It seems to be highly recommended to upgrade but I don't see any option to toggle it so you are forced to use it? Comment: Because said prior upgrade hosed up my game difficulty, I refunded my upgrades. There is some kind of bug because I had like 7000 and after doing that I had over 100K after buying everything back, so unless one level of curse costs 107K or whatever (it doesn't), I made an assload of money from refunding my skills. There is absolutely no way I could have misinterpreted this.
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1. The order you buy the upgrades in matters, as each upgrade makes each other upgrade more expensive 2. They recently changed the prices of a bunch of them so refunding and rebuying in the same order would still net you a gold gain.
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Jun 13, 2022 05:23
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Jelly posted:Question and a comment: curse bumps up the enemy counts, but as long as you're killing them fast enough all this means you get more XP for faster levelling. also for people who have maxed out upgrades and such and are wanting to bump up the difficulty/shoot for higher scores. for starting out you can safely ignore it. however you're right that it SHOULD be a toggle
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Upgrade order doesn't matter anymore since the recent patch. That's why you got a bunch of gold back.
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RBX posted:Upgrade order doesn't matter anymore since the recent patch. That's why you got a bunch of gold back. Oh, is that what they did? That's pretty reasonable, it wasn't really a mechanic so much as a "click things in this very specific order" test
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The upgrade prices still scale, but the difference is much less. Presumably because there's a new money sink in the form of the Merchant.
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RBX posted:Upgrade order doesn't matter anymore since the recent patch. That's why you got a bunch of gold back. This indeed appears to be the case! While the prices do scale up it is no longer a percentage of the base cost but rather a flat additive amount that increases with total number of upgrades purchased*. It now takes 213,220 gold for everything and you can do it any order. *the amount added per upgrade is a very strange sequence: 22, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5, 4, 6, 5, 7, 6, 8, 8, 10, 11
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CzarChasm posted:The last few times I've got to red death I reach a stalemate (by freezing him and running away?) and then white death just came for me. What triggers that, because it sounds like some people don't get to white death and get stuck in a loop with red death? If White Death is showing up, that means you successfully killed Red Death with the Infinite Corridor. Not picking up the Infinite Corridor prevents White Death from spawning even if you manage to kill Red Death, which is how people get stuck in 'infinite' runs.
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EclecticTastes posted:Cooldown reduction is, sadly, hard capped at 90%. Which is too bad, because Missingno can start with cooldowns of -135% and the like. Though the real comedy with Missingo is when you have Area of 200+%. 
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I tried the build of healing, gold rush and auto collect and it was a blast on dairy plant. I have no idea how to make it work in The Bone Zone, but it could possibly make it rain gold forever. And break my mind in terms of having nonstop pretty colors.
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