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cinci zoo sniper posted:Some of these photos are just something else. I presume that he's aware of cold war history that you don't want to go hanky panky in front of cameras. 
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Charlotte Hornets posted:https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1537484323007483905?cxt=HHwWgsC-iZH2ntYqAAAA I wonder how, since it was so far removed from the front, was it hit? That's some conflagration.
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the popes toes posted:I wonder how, since it was so far removed from the front, was it hit? That's some conflagration. Tochka U, sabotage, someone dropped a burning cigarette etc gently caress knows
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the popes toes posted:I wonder how, since it was so far removed from the front, was it hit? That's some conflagration. short-medium range ballistic missile. UA still has some Tochkas to throw down.
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Charlotte Hornets posted:https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1537484323007483905?cxt=HHwWgsC-iZH2ntYqAAAA the popes toes posted:I wonder how, since it was so far removed from the front, was it hit? That's some conflagration. Geolocated right above. Russians seem to be saying that it was Tochka-U, but I’ve yet to see the impact video, if it exists.
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WarpedLichen posted:I'm not familiar with artillery battalion sizes, but I don't think you have 1000 guns in 10 battalions. im saying 12 battalions (artillery battalions tending to be considerably smaller than infantry battalions) matches up to 150 guns and crews.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Some of these photos are just something else. Just totally breaking the fourth wall in a way only a tv actor could.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:im saying 12 battalions (artillery battalions tending to be considerably smaller than infantry battalions) matches up to 150 guns and crews. I wasn't disputing the 12 battalion number at all so I agree with you there. I just wanted to say that his statement makes it seem like the west is meeting all the Ukrainian demands but that can both be true in the context of what is asked for in strategy meetings while being not true in the context of what's being asked for elsewhere.
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I am sorry to say that nose quality has dived further in the postmortem cartoon. 
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Nenonen posted:I presume that he's aware of cold war history that you don't want to go hanky panky in front of cameras. Zelenskyy isn't much older than me, and so likely has somewhat similar upbringing, and I think growing up in Ukraine I wasn't anywherew near as hug-happy as Americans are, never mind the French. No, I don't know what was up with Brezhnev, but that was a lot generations ago, too.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:im saying 12 battalions (artillery battalions tending to be considerably smaller than infantry battalions) matches up to 150 guns and crews. Sorry, but no. An artillery battery has between 4-6 guns depending on doctrine. A battalion typically has between 2-4 batteries. Call it 24 guns max, and probably 18. I wouldn't be surprised if this war pushes some changes in artillery battery sizes. Historically you wanted 6 guns because it gave a ton of flexibility in terms of firing dispersal patterns. With guided munitions, shoot-and-scoot (or "fire and displace"), and dispersing batteries to reduce the effectiveness of counterbattery fire, I don't know if having 6 guns per battery is necessary. Ukraine's fire control is drat close to crowd-sourcing, though it's controlled a little bit more than that.
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Ynglaur posted:Sorry, but no. An artillery battery has between 4-6 guns depending on doctrine. A battalion typically has between 2-4 batteries. Call it 24 guns max, and probably 18. Wouldn't the lower end of that still put it around 9 or 10 battalions (imprecision of using the term aside, i'm presuming that they're talking roughly in american terms). The 150 number was from a week or two ago, so 1 or 2 more finishing in that time doesn't seem unreasonable, particularly as the pace of aid has accelerated? WarpedLichen posted:I wasn't disputing the 12 battalion number at all so I agree with you there. At least from what has been said by Ukraine and by the US DoD, yeah that's basically what they're saying: the US in particular has given them basically everything that they had the means to train people for and put to use rapidly, but the current state of the conflict requires significantly more. This gap is compounded by the need to both train and then deliver the equipment, too, so in addition to the political delay you're then likely looking at at least weeks of lead time and in some cases a month or more. Like Ukrainian messaging here has been quite careful to walk that line with a lot of nuance because they are getting a ton of aid and do not want to seem ungrateful, but also it's a war: the more you can get sooner the better. They've been quite explicit that if stuff is going to be politicked for a while and then given later, countries really should just provide it now because every delay means more needless loss of lives. Currently it looks like most of the Ukrainian campaign for increased military aid is being directed at European countries more than the US. It's also particularly hard to get any kind of clear picture of because the current practice appears to be to not even announce transfers until after the training and delivery is already a fait accompli. Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Jun 16, 2022 |
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https://twitter.com/haynesdeborah/status/1537440879480164353 That's a traditional SPG on an armored tracked chassis. https://twitter.com/StratcomCentre/status/1537521140226195463 And that's truck-mounted.
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OddObserver posted:
When you consider that France itself only has something like 72 Caesar's in the first place, offering 18 of them to the Ukrainians is fairly significant. That's 25 percent of their modern artillery.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Wouldn't the lower end of that still put it around 9 or 10 battalions (imprecision of using the term aside, i'm presuming that they're talking roughly in american terms). The 150 number was from a week or two ago, so 1 or 2 more finishing in that time doesn't seem unreasonable, particularly as the pace of aid has accelerated? Sorry. I thought you were a saying that 1000 artillery pieces was 10 battalions of artillery. My misinterpretation of your post.
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mawarannahr posted:I am sorry to say that nose quality has dived further in the postmortem cartoon. This is nearly incomprehensible. The fact that putin is standing behind Zelensky makes it look like he's in on it. The strange extradimensional plane they're meeting on adds to the confusion.
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https://twitter.com/vonderburchard/status/1537359934760923140 I wonder if they’re going to use it for M142 test drive. https://twitter.com/osint88/status/1537020749403369472 Herstory Begins Now posted:Wouldn't the lower end of that still put it around 9 or 10 battalions (imprecision of using the term aside, i'm presuming that they're talking roughly in american terms). The 150 number was from a week or two ago, so 1 or 2 more finishing in that time doesn't seem unreasonable, particularly as the pace of aid has accelerated? According to Oryx - https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/04/answering-call-heavy-weaponry-supplied.html - by my count there are 239+ artillery pieces that are not explicitly pledged (meaning either delivered, or delivered+pledged lumped into an opaque figure). Anecdotal veracity assessment of this Oryx tracker (as the linked proofs aren’t quite the best) - https://www.ft.com/content/3fab0893-cd5e-46b6-9bfe-6b0aff4fcb48 cites it.
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FishBulbia posted:actual russophobia lmao I posted a few posts ago an UA government official tweet about this - that links to the full interview, transcribed in Russian, if you’re looking for some sad laughs.
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I have to imagine it isn't so straightforward as companies engaging in direct transactions, but I guess I'll find out in six months when the new annual corporate training comes out and half of it is on the importance of following export controls.
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Reminiscent of: https://twitter.com/mehdirhasan/status/1402995112922152974 
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The Murz dude is already whining about the Krasniy Luch ammo depot being hit. https://kenigtiger.livejournal.com/2154031.html quote:As has been said many times before...
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Rocko Bonaparte posted:I have to imagine it isn't so straightforward as companies engaging in direct transactions, but I guess I'll find out in six months when the new annual corporate training comes out and half of it is on the importance of following export controls. The article says that much --- there are often resellers involved, but the original manufacturer is the sensible place to start tracing it down.
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Is there going to be a massive global boost to the defense industry from replacing all the materiel going to Ukraine? Are nations going to increase domestic investment to be able to produce arms within their borders in case supply chains get buggered up?
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Rocko Bonaparte posted:I have to imagine it isn't so straightforward as companies engaging in direct transactions, but I guess I'll find out in six months when the new annual corporate training comes out and half of it is on the importance of following export controls. Purchasing high perf IC from RS or Mouser is going to be a pain in the rear end for the foreseeable future, not just for the lack of stocks but also for being questioned on the end product location/purpose
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Dick Trauma posted:Is there going to be a massive global boost to the defense industry from replacing all the materiel going to Ukraine? Are nations going to increase domestic investment to be able to produce arms within their borders in case supply chains get buggered up? With high probability, yes to both. Some nations may not have good options for the latter, but those that do will unlikely neglect it, or leave it at status quo. Some hedge fundies are probably making sick money on Raytheons of this world.
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Charlotte Hornets posted:The Murz dude is already whining about the Krasniy Luch ammo depot being hit. Hello hot to our amazing hat throwers. God I love machine translations sometimes. Interesting article on Russia's recruitment efforts. https://twitter.com/maryilyushina/status/1537459917220728833
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Ynglaur posted:Sorry. I thought you were a saying that 1000 artillery pieces was 10 battalions of artillery. My misinterpretation of your post. I appreciate you clarifying anyways because I wasn't sure I was getting artillery unit sizes right.
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Atreiden posted:Hello hot to our amazing hat throwers. God I love machine translations sometimes. The normal translation won’t leave you much more satisfied. “Warm greetings to our amazing hat throwers.” “Hat throwing” is an idiom that means cocky behaviour.
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Atreiden posted:Hello hot to our amazing hat throwers. God I love machine translations sometimes. Needs more wacky waving inflatable tubemen
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Charlotte Hornets posted:The Murz dude is already whining about the Krasniy Luch ammo depot being hit. War in Ukraine: Result - today the dill did hit.
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Shes Not Impressed posted:https://twitter.com/mrsorokaa/status/1537565925796462593?s=20&t=IAxPiItaINAkWeyRSv2xgg For the nuclear weapons state with the most aggressive and loose nuclear doctrine in the world, the French government is rather chicken poo poo when it comes to arming Ukraine. Not that these things are, or ought to be connected, it’s just something I notice… France reserves the right to nuke everyone and anyone, and do it first gods be damned… But arm Ukraine? That’s too much for them.
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"We will arm Ukraine with our thoughts and prayers." -- some French nobody
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