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oh no not the american democracy we all know and love
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sum posted:https://twitter.com/lib_crusher/status/1542523319211008002 bad for them how? what's going to get in their way at this point? just make brunch the last thing you outlaw and there will be no opposition with any material means behind it
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Jul 1, 2022 10:39
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Can someone break down this independent state legislature thing for a moron like me? Is it a states rights thing?
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Jul 1, 2022 11:20
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pissinthewind posted:Can someone break down this independent state legislature thing for a moron like me? Is it a states rights thing? state's rights + originalism. That is, state's rights to ensure only capital-holding white men have the franchise, just as the founders intended.
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Jul 1, 2022 11:38
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pissinthewind posted:Can someone break down this independent state legislature thing for a moron like me? Is it a states rights thing? It gives state legislatures the only say in how to administer elections. For example, in Wisconsin, the GOP enjoys a supermajority with a 40% vote share. They can then do things like put 1 polling place in Milwaukee and there will be no legal recourse. Also, they can just select their own presidential electors which seems bad!
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Jul 1, 2022 13:46
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Feels weird not having a terrible ruling to look forward to half an hour from now for once
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Jul 1, 2022 14:38
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https://twitter.com/incognitofinito/status/1542606859739303943
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Jul 1, 2022 14:50
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https://mobile.twitter.com/politico/status/1542569323390189568
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Jul 1, 2022 15:20
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Clarence Thomas claimed in an opinion that salami is derived from the cells of “aborted children.”
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Jul 1, 2022 16:10
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pissinthewind posted:Can someone break down this independent state legislature thing for a moron like me? Is it a states rights thing? a bunch of states did things like "vote" for their "state constitutions" to put limits on their legislatures loving around with federal elections, things like redistricting committees and where polling places go since that is inconvenient for poo poo thats going down in Wisconsin and nc this theory says that no, state legislatures cannot be bound by any laws sorry its in the constitution they can do whatever they want state constitutions are mearly suggestions when it comes to federal elections it doesn't make sense because its more legal calvinball
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Jul 1, 2022 16:18
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Archduke Frantz Fanon posted:a bunch of states did things like "vote" for their "state constitutions" to put limits on their legislatures loving around with federal elections, things like redistricting committees and where polling places go It also doesn't make sense because state constitutions create state legislatures, so it's basically saying "You are unbound from the source of your power - go free and do whatever!"
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Jul 1, 2022 16:30
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the guy on twitter links this explanation which is pretty understandable: https://twitter.com/lib_crusher/status/1542523890370367490 the general idea is that the constitution says that the state legislatures can decide on the technical details for running federal elections in their jurisdiction, subject to limitations by congress. the "theory" here is in an insane literal reading of that phrase which says that this means legislatures can do whatever they want, even if it is forbidden by their state constitution. so for example, the arizona legislature indeed could have thrown out all the biden electors and sent a bunch of trump electors, with the legal justification being "gently caress you thats why." this arrives at a key point, which is that the conservatives' "originalism" crap is all bullshit and involves batshit interpretations and re-definitions of specific instances of specific words in laws. so, for example, as i think the linked article says, in this sentence "legislature" literally means only the legislature, while every other instance of the word "legislature" in the constitution means the legislature and the rest of the government as implementing laws passed by the legislature. or, that even though the second amendment is ironclad, the phrase "a well regulated militia, being necessary for the protection..." is all window dressing and doesn't mean anything. the liberals take the conservatives at their word that they're not arguing in bad faith because they're either mouth-breathing morons or complicit, take your pick
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Jul 1, 2022 16:43
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the founders clearly wrote “little a” which in now way suggest “a little”
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Jul 1, 2022 17:28
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No man is free until all cats can have little a salami
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Jul 1, 2022 17:35
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Tom Smykowski posted:Clarence Thomas claimed in an opinion that salami is derived from the cells of “aborted children.” drat i love salami now
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Jul 1, 2022 17:51
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christmas boots posted:the founders clearly wrote “little a” which in now way suggest “a little” Interpreting the constitution like its late 2000's browser game erepublik trying to find even the slightest excuse in the latest treaty to declare war on sweden
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Jul 1, 2022 17:55
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I don’t understand the point of a Supreme Court (or laws) if everyone is just going to ignore them and interpret them Willy Nilly What kind of Mickey Mouse country is this?
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Jul 1, 2022 18:43
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Noob Saibot posted:I don’t understand the point of a Supreme Court (or laws) if everyone is just going to ignore them and interpret them Willy Nilly The law isn’t real, backwards boon. The constitution is vaguely worded and it’s possible to argue all kinds of things.
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Jul 1, 2022 18:45
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Jul 1, 2022 18:55
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captainbananas posted:bad for them how? what's going to get in their way at this point? just make brunch the last thing you outlaw and there will be no opposition with any material means behind it The opposition will have enormous material means behind it. It's just that for the last 40 odd years "opposition" to the Republicans has been managed by a Democratic party who was in tacit agreement with everything that actually mattered (yes to capitalism, yes to lobotomizing the federal government, no to labor power) and which could skillfully misdirect all public anger over declining living standards towards pointless culture war issues or into token reforms. Making it essentially illegal for Democrats to win elections will mean all that anger and political energy will have no legitimate outlet, and no one could believe, left or right, that the country's problems will be fixed by voting. This is a situation that could undo the entire constitutional order! I just can't fathom why they would basically bet the farm to try and win the fake culture war fairground prize.
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Jul 1, 2022 19:09
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Jul 1, 2022 19:14
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Lmao wait a minute judicial review only exists because the court made it up lmao
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Jul 1, 2022 19:16
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the whole thing is just bullshit
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Jul 1, 2022 19:19
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Animal-Mother posted:Lmao wait a minute judicial review only exists because the court made it up lmao From what I understand, lots of countries don't have it. We're suffering from the effects of the political establishment's decision like 200 loving years ago not to make a big fuss about a huge power grab.
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Jul 1, 2022 19:20
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Animal-Mother posted:Lmao wait a minute judicial review only exists because the court made it up lmao yes PostNouveau posted:From what I understand, lots of countries don't have it. in fact, lots of other countries don't even have electoral colleges, they do this crazy thing where the person with the most votes wins
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Jul 1, 2022 19:22
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Shear Modulus posted:yes Sounds like communism to me
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Jul 1, 2022 19:23
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Animal-Mother posted:Lmao wait a minute judicial review only exists because the court made it up lmao Marbury v. Madison. Babbbyyyy!
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Jul 1, 2022 19:44
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Antebellum South Carolina had exactly one branch of the enitire state government popularly elected (i forget if it was governor or lower house) along with stringent property restrictions, and not even they were this insane
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Jul 1, 2022 19:50
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sum posted:The opposition will have enormous material means behind it. It's just that for the last 40 odd years "opposition" to the Republicans has been managed by a Democratic party who was in tacit agreement with everything that actually mattered (yes to capitalism, yes to lobotomizing the federal government, no to labor power) and which could skillfully misdirect all public anger over declining living standards towards pointless culture war issues or into token reforms. Making it essentially illegal for Democrats to win elections will mean all that anger and political energy will have no legitimate outlet, and no one could believe, left or right, that the country's problems will be fixed by voting. This is a situation that could undo the entire constitutional order! I just can't fathom why they would basically bet the farm to try and win the fake culture war fairground prize. This is why I kinda doubt they'll actually do the independent legislature thing. If they do I can only see two reasons: 1) Genuinely stupid overreach (very possible with fascists, especially ones that think they have a divine mandate) 2) Full on "fire sale" mentality.
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Jul 1, 2022 19:51
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Shear Modulus posted:yes The US is a republic, not a democracy. Democracy means the majority can oppress whatever minority they want with no restriction.
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Jul 1, 2022 19:52
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drat those founding fathers were so wise
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Jul 1, 2022 19:53
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Atrocious Joe posted:The US is a republic, not a democracy. Democracy means the majority can oppress whatever minority they want with no restriction. And if course here it's the other way around.
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:drat those founding fathers were so wise they looked back and copied the most broken governmental system in world history cause they saw the insanely stupid and bloody nonsense of the roman republic provided nearly 5 centuries of minority rule over a slave society and all the bullshit and disfunction was a feature not a bug.
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Real hurthling! posted:they looked back and copied the most broken governmental system in world history cause they saw the insanely stupid and bloody nonsense of the roman republic provided nearly 5 centuries of minority rule over a slave society and all the bullshit and disfunction was a feature not a bug.
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Real hurthling! posted:they looked back and copied the most broken governmental system in world history cause they saw the insanely stupid and bloody nonsense of the roman republic provided nearly 5 centuries of minority rule over a slave society and all the bullshit and disfunction was a feature not a bug. At least there was a Tribune of the Plebs...
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Jul 1, 2022 23:36
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Ardennes posted:At least there was a Tribune of the Plebs... yeah that was too radical so we let the drat consul have the veto
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Zurtilik posted:Marbury v. Madison. Babbbyyyy! It's fun reading about the huge conflict of interest that Marshall had while still deciding to preside over the case because he really wanted to establish precedent for judicial review.
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Jul 2, 2022 00:44
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PhantomOfTheCopier posted:But they optimized it to burn down in 2.5 centuries! Best government, best party, best leaders having the best phone calls ever. "The light that burns twice as bright &c" Tbf the Romans totally wouldn't have made it 5 centuries if they had the internet.
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Real hurthling! posted:they looked back and copied the most broken governmental system in world history cause they saw the insanely stupid and bloody nonsense of the roman republic provided nearly 5 centuries of minority rule over a slave society and all the bullshit and disfunction was a feature not a bug. I haven't looked all that deeply, but it's sort of hard to find anyone stating the obvious that the whole Roman aesthetic was slavers cosplaying an older slave society. Losurdo might, but he's still mostly on my "too read" list. The 1619 Project was the closest we got in the mainstream, but they were still liberal and too invested in American exceptionalism to state the obvious fact that
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One More Fat Nerd posted:Tbf the Romans totally wouldn't have made it 5 centuries if they had the internet. they'd have made dickbutt a god in their pantheon
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