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Yeah, Kento's straitjacket German is the most notable modern-day example I think of You still see it used somtimes to end matches that are built around brutal hard-hitting offense and the German is just the thing that finally puts a guy down, but there aren't many people who use it as a regular finisher.
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Edward Mass posted:What two wrestlers have had more televised singles matches than Kane and the Big Show? They wrestled each other 22 times from 1999-2014. For the record, Big Show went 13-7, with 2 no contests. Somehow I am sure they only wrestled like 5 times but I remember that was the Cena/Orton of the era for how sick of it I was
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It's funny because Austin/Taker was one of the few matchups they actually tried to protect at the start of the Attidue Era. They got a long build to Summerslam 98 which was one of the better-drawing PPVs of that era, and they had a Raw match which is still the highest-rated Raw of all time. And then like everything else in the Attitude Era, that match got ran into the ground over and over again.
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GEORGE W BUSHI posted:Dolph Ziggler and Kofi Kingston have had 23. 29 if PPVs count. Wonder if anyone remembers a single one of these. Even Kofi or Dolph themselves
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Not the match content but I remember Dolph being one of Kofi’s feuds as champion and it sucking the life out of his reign
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Breetai posted:When was the last time someone in a major promotion won a televised match clean with a bridging/holding German Suplex? I feel like a woman in AEW or WWE did within the last year because I remember someone doing a German and everyone remarking about how it was one of the nicest German suplexes and bridges they'd ever seen. Maybe it wasn't a finish but for some reason it's sticking in my head as one.
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Whatever happened to the rolling German suplexes? Someone should bring that back.
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I really like Matt Jackson’s locomotion northern lights suplex It was v. funny when he did it to Sammy for the entire length of an American Football field
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Sandman McMahon posted:Whatever happened to the rolling German suplexes? Someone should bring that back. yuta is doing it right now as part of his benoit tribute act
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Super No Vacancy posted:yuta is doing it right now as part of his benoit tribute act gently caress I guess I should stop skipping his matches
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Him hitting six germans in the beginning of the Forbidden Door match got a massive pop and a standing ovation.
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It was easily a top 3 match for me on FD, was super impressed by Yuta and Shooter in that one
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Sandman McMahon posted:gently caress I guess I should stop skipping his matches you should have stopped that months ago, all of his matches since he started getting built to join the BCC have been great (and the ones before that certainly weren't bad either)
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Back when Wheeler Yuta joined the Best Friends I was convinced he was evil and manipulating the Best Friends from the inside to destroy one of AEWs most wholesome stables. It’s the goatee. That’s clearly the goatee of someone from the mirror dimension where good people are evil and evil people are good. Now obviously this implies that the Wheeler Yuta of our dimension is not evil and also has no goatee, I can only assume mirror-Wheeler Yuta murdered him and buried him under a football field or something.
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His matches with Mox were neat storytelling, with Yuta never winning but Mox becoming more and more flustered that this skinny rear end in a top hat could very well have beaten him
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CopywrightMMXI posted:They really tried to make them generational rivals, but Cena’s feuds with Edge, Punk and Batisra were all much more memorable. Yeah it had nothing to do with chemistry or fan interest. It was just, "Well these are the top guys so they must feud" except drawn out for 2 decades because neither ever loving left or were cycled down the card. It was "a rivalry for the ages" like 2 office workers who've just been there the longest.
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The match mox/yuta match where yuta bled and got made is a legit motyc
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Sandman McMahon posted:Back when Wheeler Yuta joined the Best Friends I was convinced he was evil and manipulating the Best Friends from the inside to destroy one of AEWs most wholesome stables. It’s the goatee. That’s clearly the goatee of someone from the mirror dimension where good people are evil and evil people are good. He hasn't had a goatee his entire time in AEW tho
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Endless Mike posted:He hasn't had a goatee his entire time in AEW tho Yeah that must have been the good Yuta. Rip.
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Ganso Bomb posted:I feel like a woman in AEW or WWE did within the last year because I remember someone doing a German and everyone remarking about how it was one of the nicest German suplexes and bridges they'd ever seen. Maybe it wasn't a finish but for some reason it's sticking in my head as one. One time Shanna pinned a jobber with a dragon suplex and got stuck in the bridge; the ref had to help her out.
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Ganso Bomb posted:I feel like a woman in AEW or WWE did within the last year because I remember someone doing a German and everyone remarking about how it was one of the nicest German suplexes and bridges they'd ever seen. Maybe it wasn't a finish but for some reason it's sticking in my head as one. Leva Bates won a match on Dark with a Northern Lights with a beautiful bridge.
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Davros1 posted:Leva Bates won a match on Dark with a Northern Lights with a beautiful bridge. the Northern Lights should have been Alicia Fox's finsher instead of her very unsafe looking axe kick
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Captain Foo posted:The match mox/yuta match where yuta bled and got made is a legit motyc Meltzer gave Moxley/Yuta, the Forbidden Door six-man, and Blood and Guts all ****3/4. And after Moxley/Yuta but before the latter two, he had some fun six-mans with Mox and Bryan, plus the Best of the Super Juniors; I've heard good things about the Desperado and Robbie Eagles matches in particular. All of which is to say watch the steel drum boy's matches, he's good and has been on a terrific hot streak.
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jesus WEP posted:Not the match content but I remember Dolph being one of Kofi’s feuds as champion and it sucking the life out of his reign
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Who do you think is the worst booker of a large promotion ever? For large, I'll say at least TNA size and above.
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if I could change one thing about the brand split back then, I'd draft Dolph Ziggler to Raw and Sami Zayn to Smackdown I love Miz/Ziggler from No Mercy 2016, but I really would've loved to see what would've happened if Sami were in that spot, especially since it would've meant a Mox/Sami feud going into Summerslam
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RenegadeStyle1 posted:Who do you think is the worst booker of a large promotion ever? For large, I'll say at least TNA size and above. Vince Russo
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i brought up jim herd in this post but he wasn't ever the booker. don't know why i brought him up. guess i'm a piece of poo poo. he really sucked and had horrible ideas though, and probably got plenty of them through
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Minidust posted:It was so deflating when they did the 2016 brand split and Mox’s first feud as champion on Smackdown was Dolph Ziggler. I remember the build being Mox constantly calling Ziggler a loser and then he beat him clean in a forgettable match.
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Super No Vacancy posted:Vince McMahon and its not close nods hard Any other booker as bad as Vinnie Mac would have been fired. Out of a canon. Into the sun. You'd have better luck booking via a neural network.
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Not counting McMahon, I feel like the big debate is whether WCW was worse with Bischoff/Nash/Sullivan or Russo. I honestly don't even know any more. The other debate is whether Russo was at his worst in WWF, WCW or TNA.
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no-one who booked the chicken neck on a pole match can be in the running for worst booker, imo. it's mcmahon.
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Matches Vince McMahon didn't book when he had plenty of chances to. Undertaker vs John Cena Undertaker vs Sting Hulk Hogan vs Ric Flair Eddie Guerrero vs Shawn Michaels Yeah, Vince is the worst.
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Super No Vacancy posted:Vince McMahon and its not close Yea. From a pure content point of view I dont think so little has been done with so much. Consider they had the absolute best people the indies could produce in the last decade on their roster and managed to do absolutely nothing with them and its not close. Defenestrategy fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Jul 6, 2022 |
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McMahon is the clear winner because no one else has been so bad, so much, for such long periods of time. No one who wasn't the CEO of the company could get away with the poo poo he's done.Hedgehog Pie posted:Not counting McMahon, I feel like the big debate is whether WCW was worse with Bischoff/Nash/Sullivan or Russo. I honestly don't even know any more.
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Kosmo Gallion posted:Matches Vince McMahon didn't book when he had plenty of chances to. Also Austin Vs Goldberg
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Kosmo Gallion posted:Matches Vince McMahon didn't book when he had plenty of chances to. He booked Hogan vs Flair dozens of times and we should be thankful he didn't book Undertaker vs Sting.
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Hogan and Flair did a whole bunch of DQ and count-out finishes on the house tour circuit and then Vince wondered why it wasn't drawing so well and nixed the planned TV programme for them.
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buddy i swear it that the undertaker beat john cena at wrestlemania within the past 10 years and feuded with cena when he was on the cusp of the main event
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