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Umm, maybe he should have shot that from a few feet further away
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CommieGIR posted:How many red lines is that now? Weren't the HIMARS a red line? And also the any weapons at all really we're pretty much already at war with Russia we just don't know it yet Charlotte Hornets posted:How to destroy a S-300 launcher: holy gently caress  im uh guessing it was too close to enemy lines for a tractor evac? TheBuilder posted:Umm, maybe he should have shot that from a few meters closer
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CommieGIR posted:How many red lines is that now? Often times it's not even Russia saying "this is a red line" it's NATO or US admin officials saying "we think this might cross a line if we did it?"
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Alan Smithee posted:we're pretty much already at war with Russia we just don't know it yet I think the cold hard calculation by the DoD is that we have an opportunity to completely obliterate the Russian military with our proxies without a single (American) casualty, while also making Russia's nukes pointless and unable to stop their own military's destruction. The only thing that can save the Russian military at this point is admitting this was all an incredibly idiotic mistake and leaving, but Putin has apparently ruled that completely out, either because he thinks he is so politically committed at this point that "losing" would threaten his own position, or because of insanity, or both. Its also possible that they have decided they have already lost so much that there's not a lot of equipment and high-quality soldiers remaining to salvage, so why not throw the rest of it into the woodchipper hoping for a miracle. Rigel fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Jul 6, 2022 |
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Econ posting When sanctions aren't working https://twitter.com/ylitvinenko/status/1544640823396024320?s=20&t=j6ZF4aDhQSsllStzFSmWWA https://twitter.com/CarnegieEndow/status/1544415070196797440?s=20&t=j6ZF4aDhQSsllStzFSmWWA quote:... https://twitter.com/maria_shagina/status/1544602165972459520?s=20&t=j6ZF4aDhQSsllStzFSmWWA Things you do when you care about other countries https://twitter.com/GabrielCSGavin/status/1544662024239681537?s=20&t=j6ZF4aDhQSsllStzFSmWWA They won't block YouTube in Russia but will in Kherson  makes sense when things are going so wellhttps://twitter.com/niktwick/status/1544661952353402881?s=20&t=j6ZF4aDhQSsllStzFSmWWA Oh Germany https://twitter.com/DMokryk/status/1544659771093131264?s=20&t=j6ZF4aDhQSsllStzFSmWWA Russia is very thankful though https://twitter.com/rajan_menon_/status/1544475473475928064?s=20&t=j6ZF4aDhQSsllStzFSmWWA
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Rigel posted:I think the cold hard calculation by the DoD is that we have an opportunity to completely obliterate the Russian military with our proxies without a single (American) casualty, while also making Russia's nukes pointless and unable to stop their own military's destruction. How would/could this happen?
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Rigel posted:I think the cold hard calculation by the DoD is that we have an opportunity to completely obliterate the Russian military with our proxies without a single (American) casualty, while also making Russia's nukes pointless and unable to stop their own military's destruction. Nah I'd wager at this point the plan is to bank on another russian puppet getting elected US president in '24 and ideally ending both domestic and international support for Ukraine, at which point whatever territory russia still holds becomes theirs.
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uXs posted:How would/could this happen? The nukes are pointless because the calculation is "Russia isn't going to nuke Ukraine in order to conquer Ukraine" because they aren't that stupid/crazy. "We will nuke the NATO because Ukraine is beating us" is also a very hard sell in Russia, notwithstanding hot takes on propaganda tv. So in essence Russia is sitting on a stockpile of nukes they can use to saber rattle ineffectually but they can't actually, you know, ever make good on that threat because the escalation is so gradual. All the while their army is getting mauled in a war they expected to be a walk in the park. NATO is salami slicing the escalation. We've armed anti-RU and anti-USSR countries in the past, why would that suddenly be a red line now? We know it isn't a red line, and they know we know it isn't.
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Deltasquid posted:The nukes are pointless because the calculation is "Russia isn't going to nuke Ukraine in order to conquer Ukraine" because they aren't that stupid/crazy. "We will nuke the NATO because Ukraine is beating us" is also a very hard sell in Russia, notwithstanding hot takes on propaganda tv. So in essence Russia is sitting on a stockpile of nukes they can use to saber rattle ineffectually but they can't actually, you know, ever make good on that threat because the escalation is so gradual. All the while their army is getting mauled in a war they expected to be a walk in the park. Ah you meant in this specific conflict, not in general.
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It was a given the Russians would be aggressively targeting any HIMARS systems once they were in theatre and that they'd be destroyed very quickly once they were put to use. This is why more of these need to be transferred and faster if they're going to make a difference. Having said that Reuters updated their article to say the Ukrainian govt is denying that the HIMARS was destroyed so we'll need some sort of independent confirmation before we write them off. Ukraine needs like 50 of these at the minimum and there needs to be an allowance for combat losses. Or we'll be right back to square one in a very short period of time.
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The video is not greatly convincing to my armchair eye, so I’ll wait further information about it. The funniest outcome would be US just sending 2 more saying “we’re replacing the destroyed ones”, when the actual hit will turn out to be something else. https://twitter.com/uaweapons/status/1544711188948422656 https://twitter.com/avalaina/status/1544596836866031618
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The thermal camera view isn't very easy to run ID but if it's really a himars, given the limited number of units, parking them like they are some clunker Grad without any camo net is not good pr. Especially when constantly asking for more launchers.
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SlowBloke posted:The thermal camera view isn't very easy to run ID but if it's really a himars, given the limited number of units, parking them like they are some clunker Grad without any camo net is not good pr. Especially when constantly asking for more launchers. There were a number of replies to the post stating Ukraine already denied it, so I *think* that the status here is: waiting for confirmation?
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READ OP! War in Ukraine: Red, Red Lines Edit: Charlotte Hornets posted:How to destroy a S-300 launcher: Is he OK? 
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READ OP! War in Ukraine: I hate these blurred lines
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I mean I don't know how to identify a himars but that video looks like Russia shot at the four white boxes in the center at night, missed, and then attached a clip of some trees blowing up during the day as proof
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KitConstantine posted:
 Charlotte Hornets posted:How to destroy a S-300 launcher: Untrained militias in Syria seem to be better trained the the world's second greatest military
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Is it weird to anybody else how relatively static this war has been after the initial thrust was repelled? It seems odd to me that every inch is so hard fought. I expected more movement of the lines based on capture of local superiority like the recent conflicts in the middle east where the lines shifted a lot once a town was taken. Certainly if not along the mainline of Russian advance, I would have expected more movement on the periphery where Ukrainians retake ground that isn't being actively defended. Is this a result of the terrain or just Ukrainian defensive doctrine being more conservative on taking offensives action when they can't be sure of holding the gains?
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Australia has also donated 14 of our equivalent, the M113AS4, same gun, different turret, and mine blast armour rather than whatever is on those, we're about to replace our whole fleet with either the Hanwha AS21 Redback or the Rheinmetall KF41 Lynx. NTRabbit fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Jul 6, 2022 |
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WarpedLichen posted:Is it weird to anybody else how relatively static this war has been after the initial thrust was repelled? russia way overextended and now they are actually trying to combine arms I imagine it's easier for them re-up in the east
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Alan Smithee posted:russia way overextended and now they are actually trying to combine arms There’s also the matter of Ukrainian casualties, the hold in the north didn’t come for free.
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WarpedLichen posted:Is it weird to anybody else how relatively static this war has been after the initial thrust was repelled? It is a function of the Russians not having enough manpower to execute large scale maneuvers you described in other conflicts while pacifying bypassed pockets of resistance. Since they are maxing out their available manpower without general mobilization, they husband their remaining troops and simply try to shell the Ukrainian defenders out of their positions, dig in to ward off counter attacks and repeat ad nauseum. The lack of any major Ukrainian pushback speaks to either caution in terms of preserving the strength of whatever regular formations they gave left or the fact that they simply don't have the men, material, and ammunition to sustain a big counter offensive to eject the Russians. Only the Ukrainians and Russians who have actual numbers of their respective forces knows how long this can go on.
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MikeC posted:The lack of any major Ukrainian pushback speaks to either caution in terms of preserving the strength of whatever regular formations they gave left or the fact that they simply don't have the men, material, and ammunition to sustain a big counter offensive to eject the Russians. It does sound like all their offensive capability is being used to attempt to liberate the Kherson area first, a combat theatre that is conspicously absent when compared to all the social media footage and photos coming out of Luhansk and Donbas.
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SlowBloke posted:The thermal camera view isn't very easy to run ID but if it's really a himars, given the limited number of units, parking them like they are some clunker Grad without any camo net is not good pr. Especially when constantly asking for more launchers. It honestly looks like a miss
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NTRabbit posted:It does sound like all their offensive capability is being used to attempt to liberate the Kherson area first, a combat theatre that is conspicously absent when compared to all the social media footage and photos coming out of Luhansk and Donbas. Attacking in the Donbass while Russia's raining death on everything would be a very stupid thing to do, also. If they're trading favourably in Donbass (this is unconfirmed but, everyone assumes they are despite huge losses, sorry Russia still has vastly more poo poo don't get complacent), it's better to let them bleed in that area than attack into the biggest artillery concentration since WW2.
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SlowBloke posted:The thermal camera view isn't very easy to run ID but if it's really a himars, given the limited number of units, parking them like they are some clunker Grad without any camo net is not good pr. Especially when constantly asking for more launchers. Given their value, I'd be very surprised if they weren't constantly on the move to prevent anything like this. They already reload on the side of the road vs going anywhere near where the ammo is actually stored.
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Interesting article that goes over what have happened in the black sea since the start of the war. Somewhat bombastic headline aside. https://twitter.com/CovertShores/status/1544604424647106560 https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/07/how-ukraine-is-turning-the-tide-against-russian-navy-in-black-sea/
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They’re gonna move all that materiel to Ukraine Guess joining NATO works? All that poo poo would be wasted sitting next to a country you can’t fight anymore
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Haven't seen info yet on the internal passport thing from yesterday (?) definitely not happening. It's sort of in the air. If they actually go for that, that I think would sound like the talk of Ukraine having more men willing to fight than can be armed or trained was just bs. If that was the case, they would not go for obviously very unpopular measures to boost the draft.
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d64 posted:Haven't seen info yet on the internal passport thing from yesterday (?) definitely not happening. It's sort of in the air. If they actually go for that, that I think would sound like the talk of Ukraine having more men willing to fight than can be armed or trained was just bs. If that was the case, they would not go for obviously very unpopular measures to boost the draft. It's been cancelled.
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https://twitter.com/AP_Europe/status/1544720396343250944 How do they think the nuclear threats are helping them when they haven't done jack poo poo for them?
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Willo567 posted:https://twitter.com/AP_Europe/status/1544720396343250944 Ah yes, the red line again. I'm sure they have plenty of spare resources not tied up in the Ukraine boondoggle to act on these threats. /s
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I think what a lot of (especially German) politicians and people don't quite grasp is that even when the war is over, a lot of countries in the EU will want absolutely nothing to do with Russia until the current regime is gone. Especially if the war is not a complete and total defeat of Russia. The stupidity of wanting to use sanctions as deterrence (it is equally ineffective in that regard as it is in bringing about regime change) aside, that policy would be contingent on normalization of economic ties with Russia. Until Putin's regime is gone any attempt to normalize relations will tear the EU apart. The vitriolic propaganda and warmongering, the genocidal war crimes, the slide into totalitarianism, the economic scars from confiscations, and on and on the list goes. Russia has quite some way to go before it is acceptable to have economic and cultural ties with them again. Keeping borders open enough for dissidents and persecuted to flee is of course, good. Maintaining humanitarian connections is also a good thing. But beyond that? Nope. That is yet another reason Germany and those equally eager to return to pre-war levels of economic interaction to support Ukraine to their fullest ability. The end of the war is not automatically going to mean a return to 'business as usual'. Especially if the future of the EU is a priority. An end which leaves Russian occupation forces on Ukrainian soil is more likely to result in massive militarization of the border and numerous EU countries considering Russia an existential threat. This is also why discussions about topics such as transit to Kaliningrad or the long-term viability of sanctions for the European economies, absurd. Unless the Russian regime changes or is defeated completely in Ukraine, there can be only one course of actions - treating the country like a hostile pariah nation. I still believe Ukraine can, and will, win this war. But if the outcome ends up different, then the coming years are going to challenge the unity of Europe to a degree not seen since before the second world war. The multi-polar world that Russia craves is one where globalism and free trade will not continue as before. Those who dream of a return to the pre-war economic landscape of Europe and Eurasia are deluded. That dream is locked behind a door that cannot open until the Russian regime is gone. I do believe we'll manage until then.
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