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FishBulbia
Dec 22, 2021

https://twitter.com/EUvsDisinfo/status/1545084899144744961

https://twitter.com/EUvsDisinfo/status/1544946246477045761

facts vs disinfo folks

No sign of operational pause, just operational ineffectiveness

https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1545185444807053313

FishBulbia fucked around with this message at 05:43 on Jul 8, 2022

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Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

"Kommersant warns that this will make Russia far more dependent on Poland." lmao



https://twitter.com/irgarner/status/1545035997473300480

Flavahbeast
Jul 21, 2001



Alaska is actually a trailer

https://twitter.com/ABarbashin/status/1545085506169495553

god please help me
Jul 9, 2018
I LOVE GIVING MY TAX MONEY AND MY PERSONAL INCOME TO UKRAINE, SLAVA

Becoming more dependent on a country who hates the poo poo out of them moreso than any baltic state in order to own the libs. Go for it, Putin.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

I am all for Russia making themselves more dependent on the one state in Europe that hates them as much as Ukraine.

Keisari
May 24, 2011

Here's to hoping Poland now cuts off access to Kaliningrad! (probably wont happen though)

the popes toes
Oct 10, 2004

Ah, I wonder how Mr. Putin would have treated, say, an Russian-surrounded EU exclave out near the Sea of Okhotst? Of course such a thing is an impossibility. They would have invaded it long ago.

e: no wait. A Polish exclave. That would be better.

Chill Monster
Apr 23, 2014
The price of gas has been dumping the last couple of days. It's purely speculation on my part, but this is probably going to make paying for the war much harder, especially with all of the economic friction that the sanctions caused. I personally thought that gas would be expensive at least until the fall.

I wonder how long Russia can live off of that fabled supply of gold and foreign currency they have.

This is not financial advice

Deltasquid
Apr 10, 2013

awww...
you guys made me ink!


THUNDERDOME

How would this even work, in practice? It's not like goods in transit through a Baltic state signpost they've been moved through them specifically, right? They're just marked as having been in transit through the Union's customs territory? So functionally I don't see how Russia can enforce such a transit ban, unless cargo documents specifically state that the goods were moved through a Baltic port or something?

notwithoutmyanus
Mar 17, 2009

Chill Monster posted:

The price of gas has been dumping the last couple of days. It's purely speculation on my part, but this is probably going to make paying for the war much harder, especially with all of the economic friction that the sanctions caused. I personally thought that gas would be expensive at least until the fall.

I wonder how long Russia can live off of that fabled supply of gold and foreign currency they have.

This is not financial advice

I actually suspect this is going to hit Russia even more, because the cheaper India/China can get gas from the west (as they're not sanctioned), the more leverage they have on Russia to lower prices even further.

alex314
Nov 22, 2007

notwithoutmyanus posted:

I actually suspect this is going to hit Russia even more, because the cheaper India/China can get gas from the west (as they're not sanctioned), the more leverage they have on Russia to lower prices even further.

They already are getting oil at about 33% off, it will eat into profit margins, but I imagine break even point for the Russian oilfields will be around 30$ per barrel.

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Ikasuhito posted:

Yeah, that's been a pretty consistent reaction by volunteers up to this point.

”Oh poo poo! They have bombs and artillery too?!"

It's really hard to predict how one would react to being bombed. In some combat exercises we had little bomblets around the training area that the instructors would detonate at different points, and the sound and feel of even a fairly small explosion is quite intense. And that when you know that no one is trying to kill you. I don't know how I would respond to a 500 kg bomb exploding somewhere nearby, knowing that more may follow, but I doubt that I would just calmly shake dust off my clothes and carry on.

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Deltasquid posted:

How would this even work, in practice? It's not like goods in transit through a Baltic state signpost they've been moved through them specifically, right? They're just marked as having been in transit through the Union's customs territory? So functionally I don't see how Russia can enforce such a transit ban, unless cargo documents specifically state that the goods were moved through a Baltic port or something?

Maybe by putting restrictions to border stations so that trucks will have to go through Belarus? I dunno, it's such an obvious own goal to add to transport costs at this point when imported goods are becoming more and more expensive for Russians already.

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


the popes toes posted:

One might call it a pause but the past 24 hr view from NASA FIRMS might call it a conflagration. You know a war is bad stuff when you can clearly determine the front from space.

(courtesy of Ponomarenko's twitter)


Oh god that gas platform still is on fire, peep that dot in the sea bottom left

Flavahbeast
Jul 21, 2001


I used to work with a Bulgarian guy who said the fires from the Yugoslav wars caused horrific acid rain where he was from, if that's true I gotta imagine this will be way worse

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>

Nenonen posted:

It's really hard to predict how one would react to being bombed. In some combat exercises we had little bomblets around the training area that the instructors would detonate at different points, and the sound and feel of even a fairly small explosion is quite intense. And that when you know that no one is trying to kill you. I don't know how I would respond to a 500 kg bomb exploding somewhere nearby, knowing that more may follow, but I doubt that I would just calmly shake dust off my clothes and carry on.

I was going through some old videos from Syria recently and there were a number that were from people very close to the business end of artillery/rocket artillery strikes. They're horrifying and give some idea why anyone able to leave is leaving.

content warning: extremely close range artillery and MLRS barrages on civilians in populated areas. Nothing graphic is visible. If you're sensitive to sounds of war, probably don't click: lots of sounds of incoming artillery and MLRS barrages, also some gunfire in the background
:nms:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf1Cw1ZaA30:nms:

:nms:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uC3-fvdZyQ:nms:

:nms:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QlaG7y4S1M:nms:

:nms:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTbVEBVzqk4:nms:

:nms:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLYoQRW8uJA:nms:

Also makes me appreciate living somewhere where you don't get shelled simply for having the audacity to protest a dictator

Atreiden
May 4, 2008

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1545145656930705415
https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2022/07/07/new-laws-in-russia-people-can-be-imprisoned-for-almost-anything/?sh=45033fa62209
Article goes over various new laws/proposed laws that makes Russia more totalitarian.

quote:

Limiting Freedom For Businesses: “[A] draft law on supplying the armed forces of Russia during operations outside the country was adopted,” reports The Insider, an independent online Russian newspaper headquartered in Latvia. “The government will be able to ‘reactivate mobilization capacities and facilities’ and establish ‘conditions of overtime work for individual organizations and enterprises’ during night, on weekends and holidays. If such measures are taken, legal entities ‘regardless of their organizational and legal forms of ownership’ will not be able to back out of agreements and contracts on delivery of goods and rendering of services for the army. In such cases, the Defense Ministry will be able to change the terms of a contract even after it has been signed.”

quote:

Prison Time For Transmitting “State Secrets” Or Displaying A Facebook Logo: Given the Russian government is the sole authority to determine what is “extremist,” new criminal penalties put individuals and businesses at significant risk. “Now the ‘repeated propaganda or public demonstration of symbols of Nazism and extremist organizations’ will be punished under a criminal article; a violator could face up to four years in prison,” according to The Insider report. “Notably, the company Meta, which owns Facebook and Instagram, as well as the ‘Smart Voting’ symbols are also considered extremist in Russia.”

Similarly, since the Russian government can define what is a state secret, a new law on criminal penalties against transmitting “state secrets” abroad could put anyone at risk who posts information electronically.

quote:

Under a new law, individuals can be imprisoned for up to 20 years if they “defect to the side of the enemy during an armed conflict or hostilities.” Human rights advocate Ivan Pavlov told The Insider, “Political officers will be explaining individually and collectively and will say: 'Now you cannot surrender and will fight to the last man, and those who are taken prisoner will, as before, be welcomed at home with a criminal case.”

Dick Ripple
May 19, 2021

aphid_licker posted:

Oh god that gas platform still is on fire, peep that dot in the sea bottom left

It takes some effort to put out an oil/gas well fire. I would not want to be the well control/fire firefighters sent to do that in an active war zone.


What is with all the red dots east of the Kerch straight?

Deltasquid
Apr 10, 2013

awww...
you guys made me ink!


THUNDERDOME

Nenonen posted:

Maybe by putting restrictions to border stations so that trucks will have to go through Belarus? I dunno, it's such an obvious own goal to add to transport costs at this point when imported goods are becoming more and more expensive for Russians already.

Also on reflection it's an extremely petty "no, you!" move because:

1) doing this doesn't blockade the Baltic states, and
2) I imagine the "transit of foreign goods to Russia" economy in the Baltics is very small to begin with: probably a few transport companies that do not necessarily employ Baltic nationals and could reroute their transport via Poland

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Chill Monster posted:

The price of gas has been dumping the last couple of days. It's purely speculation on my part, but this is probably going to make paying for the war much harder, especially with all of the economic friction that the sanctions caused. I personally thought that gas would be expensive at least until the fall.

I wonder how long Russia can live off of that fabled supply of gold and foreign currency they have.

This is not financial advice

Unfortunately we’ve paid them enough for fuels this year that their current problem is spending that legally, not scrounging drawers for cash. It didn’t compensate for, e.g., sanctions hit on their foreign reserves, but that’s hardly a great compromise, when writing was on the wall since 2014 for Germany and everyone else.

Deltasquid posted:

How would this even work, in practice? It's not like goods in transit through a Baltic state signpost they've been moved through them specifically, right? They're just marked as having been in transit through the Union's customs territory? So functionally I don't see how Russia can enforce such a transit ban, unless cargo documents specifically state that the goods were moved through a Baltic port or something?

I assume they would simply close the land border with Baltics.

Dick Ripple posted:

What is with all the red dots east of the Kerch straight?

Maybe they’re smoking the bridge for their drills again?

Deltasquid posted:

Also on reflection it's an extremely petty "no, you!" move because:

1) doing this doesn't blockade the Baltic states, and
2) I imagine the "transit of foreign goods to Russia" economy in the Baltics is very small to begin with: probably a few transport companies that do not necessarily employ Baltic nationals and could reroute their transport via Poland

Our transit sector was ~7% of our GDP (2020), but I’m not sure what of it is remaining, and what proportion of it fell onto account of forwarding imports to Russia.

Edit:

https://twitter.com/kremlinpool_ria/status/1545340126645178368
Totally doesn’t search for his name on Twitter on the reg.

cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 11:27 on Jul 8, 2022

Atreiden
May 4, 2008

https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1545366266927407104
https://ukrainetoday.org/2022/07/08...ency-committee/

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




A municipal official in Moscow has been sentenced to 7 years in a penal colony for calling “special military operation” a war.

https://www.bbc.com/russian/news-62090629

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

Kchama posted:

I'm pretty sure it's more that they're glory hounds and were just expecting, well,

instead of a peer war.

If the quoted dude is a glory hound why hasn’t he left like so many others?

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!

Like with previous withdrawal from the taxation CIS agreement, it's because it's obsolete, and there are parallel extra-CIS agreements in place. Russia has also withdrawn from a bunch of CIS agreements for the same reason.

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa
CIS cancelling from Wokekazastan, what next? Trans-Siberia becomes LGTBQIA+Siberia? I say this has gone too far! :cloud:

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Nenonen posted:

CIS cancelling from Wokekazastan, what next? Trans-Siberia becomes LGTBQIA+Siberia? I say this has gone too far! :cloud:

https://twitter.com/WhimsicalVR/status/1545075413277450242?s=20&t=dciToJ83HBMsaIDOqprnxw

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

Cable Guy posted:

Lot of arms go missing in the Russian military....

(sorry... had to)
New thread title

FishMcCool
Apr 9, 2021

lolcats are still funny
Fallen Rib

cinci zoo sniper posted:

A municipal official in Moscow has been sentenced to 7 years in a penal colony for calling “special military operation” a war.

https://www.bbc.com/russian/news-62090629

But if he can clear mines, he doesn't actually have to do any time at all!

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
Who holds the camera and walks in front of the penal minesweepers?

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




https://twitter.com/maria_shagina/status/1545313754761641984

Edit:

https://twitter.com/alanoszka/status/1545224241364312065

cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 14:53 on Jul 8, 2022

Karma Comedian
Feb 2, 2012


My wife worked the EMV machine at a card making factory and when I told her this she laughed and said "that just doesn't work, the chip gets unreadable"

Rigel
Nov 11, 2016


Oh, Germany...

"Protecting hard industrial assets? Oh hell yeah please do that, whoever wins this annoying political....shootey shootey.... dust-up thing, someone from some country will still need to run the factories.

Helping the people? lol gently caress you"

Rigel fucked around with this message at 15:01 on Jul 8, 2022

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


Lambrecht is a national laughing stock and famous for having no idea what she's talking about, nor any ambition to find out.

e: not saying that she's the only problem with our weapons deliveries but having no idea what a Gepard does and trying to bullshit her way out would be very on brand for her

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:
It's just another case of Twitter users being incomprehensibly stupid.

Yes, SPAAGs are for protecting objects from aerial assault. That's their role. They aren't slugging it out on the front line.

That's why Ukraine wants them, because they are good at that job.

The problem is that Twitter users don't know anything, so this dipshit gets irate because the role of a SPAAG - which is protecting objects - does not fit into the role they think they should fill - 720° noscoping targets on the front line.




Lambrecht is completely correct on what the role of the Gepard is, by the way.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Antigravitas posted:

It's just another case of Twitter users being incomprehensibly stupid.

Yes, SPAAGs are for protecting objects from aerial assault. That's their role. They aren't slugging it out on the front line.

That's why Ukraine wants them, because they are good at that job.

The problem is that Twitter users don't know anything, so this dipshit gets irate because the role of a SPAAG - which is protecting objects - does not fit into the role they think they should fill - 720° noscoping targets on the front line.




Lambrecht is completely correct on what the role of the Gepard is, by the way.

Pretty sure the complaint is about Lambrecht leaving an impression that Germany is against Gepards participating in any combat at all, e.g., guarding forward operating bases.

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:
Well, good thing she didn't then. It's called Objektschutz. It schützes the Objekte.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Antigravitas posted:

Well, good thing she didn't then. It's called Objektschutz. It schützes the Objekte.

The entire video is her speaking exclusively about infrastructure though, but admittedly my German is really bad. What are those Gerpards will be doing there, shooting at cruise missiles? Does that even work?

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Germany will provide Ukraine with vehicles. The vehicles will have a governor that only lets them go 3kM/Hr and will self destruct if within 700KM of the Russian border

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:

cinci zoo sniper posted:

The entire video is her speaking exclusively about infrastructure though, but admittedly my German is really bad. What are those Gerpards will be doing there, shooting at cruise missiles? Does that even work?

The "zum Beispiel" at the beginning is quite important.

Like, Lambrecht is a moron, but she's absolutely correct that given the number of vehicles and the ammunition available, Ukraine isn't going to equip armoured brigades with Gepards. They'll use them where it makes the most sense, and that's securing infrastructure against cruise missiles and other aerial targets, which the platform absolutely can do.

It's still mindboggling that the thing was phased out just as drone warfare was picking up. It's really good at tracking and engaging drones, despite its old tech.

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piL
Sep 20, 2007
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Taco Defender

Antigravitas posted:

Well, good thing she didn't then. It's called Objektschutz. Eet schützes ze Objekte.

ftfy

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