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This isn't relate to much of anything but I was reading a bit of a book on movie villains and it went over this adaptation of Richard III from the 90s starring Ian McKellen. Anyway, it talks about how Richard's ludicrous deformities from the play are significantly dialed back because the modern world really isn't interested in that kind of "excessive melodrama." My mind just instantly went to Tyrion. Whoever wrote that book was sure wrong.
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Yeah but Richard III with tanks and fascist brits is loving awesome so it evens out.
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Aug 25, 2022 16:40
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Ned is the Richardian interpretation of Richard III, Tyrion is the Shakespeare interrelation of him
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Aug 25, 2022 18:31
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asoiaf would be so much better as an animated rather than live action series lol
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Aug 25, 2022 18:31
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Typo posted:asoiaf would be so much better as an animated rather than live action series lol neither would have a third act.
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Aug 25, 2022 18:32
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:neither would have a third act. Not so long as Discovery continues to torch the HBO Max library.
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Aug 25, 2022 18:52
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Arc Hammer posted:Not so long as Discovery continues to torch the HBO Max library. Oh itll be much worse than just HBO Max https://twitter.com/MarlowNYC/status/1562815380418338818?s=20&t=9ZHaktHKckCpFclFf6n29w
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Aug 25, 2022 19:32
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Well Game of Thrones content must be safe because it courts the incestuous white people demographic.
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Aug 25, 2022 19:48
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NikkolasKing posted:My mind just instantly went to Tyrion. Whoever wrote that book was sure wrong. They dialed back his deformity in the tv show significantly. They got a handsome little person actor to play him. In the book dude is all kinds of hosed up - misshapen head, body weird enough to require a custom saddle, and to top that off he had his nose hacked off.
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Aug 26, 2022 06:24
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TERFherder posted:They dialed back his deformity in the tv show significantly. They got a handsome little person actor to play him. In the book dude is all kinds of hosed up - misshapen head, body weird enough to require a custom saddle, and to top that off he had his nose hacked off. True. I only read the book though and they were popular enough, even before GOT blew up. i was trying to think of other popular characters in modern works where severe deformity is integral to who they are. The Phantom of the Opera is an obvious choice, he's also really hosed up in the book but gets prettied up a lot for the musical. (No idea about the classic film adaptations)
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Aug 26, 2022 07:00
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TERFherder posted:They dialed back his deformity in the tv show significantly. They got a handsome little person actor to play him. In the book dude is all kinds of hosed up - misshapen head, body weird enough to require a custom saddle, and to top that off he had his nose hacked off. Personally, I think it was a point in the show's favor to cast Peter Dinklage as Tyrion Lannister. I actually rather liked the show leaning away from Tyrion's deformity and planting a flag in the idea that even the ugliest, most rejected and reviled Lannister was still an otherwise conventionally handsome as gently caress son of a bitch and it made Tywin and Cersei seem like even bigger vain prickwhistles that they considered him to somehow be an ugly monster.
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Aug 26, 2022 08:03
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NikkolasKing posted:True. I only read the book though and they were popular enough, even before GOT blew up. The Elephant Man Mask
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Aug 26, 2022 11:57
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The world needs a sexy Elephant man reboot obviously
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nine-gear crow posted:Personally, I think it was a point in the show's favor to cast Peter Dinklage as Tyrion Lannister. I actually rather liked the show leaning away from Tyrion's deformity and planting a flag in the idea that even the ugliest, most rejected and reviled Lannister was still an otherwise conventionally handsome as gently caress son of a bitch and it made Tywin and Cersei seem like even bigger vain prickwhistles that they considered him to somehow be an ugly monster. Yeah that was actually an interesting dichotomy in the show, which means it was likely an accident.
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nine-gear crow posted:Personally, I think it was a point in the show's favor to cast Peter Dinklage as Tyrion Lannister. I actually rather liked the show leaning away from Tyrion's deformity and planting a flag in the idea that even the ugliest, most rejected and reviled Lannister was still an otherwise conventionally handsome as gently caress son of a bitch and it made Tywin and Cersei seem like even bigger vain prickwhistles that they considered him to somehow be an ugly monster. That is a good point, and works for most of it. I think it works against him in a few places. His grossness makes his friendship with John a better indicator that John is a "good" person who judges people by more than their looks and House. It makes his whole "I won't sleep with you until you want me to" bit with Sansa stronger and also makes her repulsion a bit more understandable. When he gives his big "everyone hates me" speech at his trial, it came across as almost petulant compared to the books. It also makes Tywin's emotional reaction more understandable. I mean Tywin ain't an emotional guy. I think Tyrion need to be more than a short handsome son to really dig into Tywin that much. He did need to look hosed up - proof that it wasn't his child. That's why the misshapen skull, the eyes, the weird limbs were important to me. Also his white hair and purple eye made his targaryen heritage much clearer.
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Good looking or not, he is a dwarf, so not good enough for the Lannisters self image. I think it make sense either way And Sansa was disgusted by him because n=more because he was a Lannister than anything, irrc
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Aug 26, 2022 20:17
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Typo posted:asoiaf would be so much better as an animated rather than live action series lol I thought they did an amazing job visually on nearly every level. Only issues are in season 1 when they clearly managed things to avoid breaking the bank - like the Hand's Tourney being pitifully small and losing the grandeur it should have had.
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Aug 26, 2022 23:21
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Animated would be beneficial over live-action if it meant stuff like the kid characters not aging and you can actually insert some of the more wild elements like the canonical Iron Throne. I think Thrones could maybe be the breakthrough high-budget adult animation project to sell America on such an idea.
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Pennsylvanian posted:Animated would be beneficial over live-action if it meant stuff like the kid characters not aging and you can actually insert some of the more wild elements like the canonical Iron Throne. I think Thrones could maybe be the breakthrough high-budget adult animation project to sell America on such an idea. It was 100x better having the kids be aged up honestly. And Ned and Robert make a lot more sense in their 40s and 50s than in their 30s, IMO. Agreed on the Iron Throne. I dunno why they made that dinky little prop, it looks like poo poo. And now they're stuck with it.
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Aug 27, 2022 15:38
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They were using a slightly bigger Iron Throne in this series, no? Seemed to me like it had a whole front section to it with steps and melted swords on the sides. Not that it was a huge difference, but it was marginally better.
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That's the impression I got too.
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Aug 27, 2022 16:12
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Mike N Eich posted:It was 100x better having the kids be aged up honestly. And Ned and Robert make a lot more sense in their 40s and 50s than in their 30s, IMO. I don't mean aging them up like they did with Dany being 18 instead of 13 or whatever, I mean stuff like the actors playing little Stark kids aging every year in real time between seasons. In Episode 1 alone, they had a problem with Sophie Turner shot up in height between the original shoot and the reshoots. And Bran looks wildly different between that two season break where we don't see him for a while. It just did some screwy things with the GoT show's timelines. Pennsylvanian fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Aug 27, 2022 |
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lmbo the new show sucks rear end
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all i thought about look at this was this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smB_-d1ZaMk TERFherder posted:That is a good point, and works for most of it. I think it works against him in a few places. His grossness makes his friendship with John a better indicator that John is a "good" person who judges people by more than their looks and House. It makes his whole "I won't sleep with you until you want me to" bit with Sansa stronger and also makes her repulsion a bit more understandable. When he gives his big "everyone hates me" speech at his trial, it came across as almost petulant compared to the books. It also makes Tywin's emotional reaction more understandable. I mean Tywin ain't an emotional guy. I think Tyrion need to be more than a short handsome son to really dig into Tywin that much. He did need to look hosed up - proof that it wasn't his child. That's why the misshapen skull, the eyes, the weird limbs were important to me. Also his white hair and purple eye made his targaryen heritage much clearer. that also makes me annoyed that they never put in the plot line about tyrions first wife and jamie telling him the truth about it. instead it was the "gently caress orson scott card" scene, which i liked but i think tyrion kinda realizing fully that his dad never loved him ever works better. also the shae plotline in the show doesn't work as well since she clearly did love him in the show. either way, the whole crossbow scene still works well though. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Aug 28, 2022 |
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I think dropping Tysha really nuked Tyrion's storyline in the show. After that they just didn't have him do anything interesting, either internally or externally. He just became Hand of the Queen
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Happy Landfill posted:I think dropping Tysha really nuked Tyrion's storyline in the show. After that they just didn't have him do anything interesting, either internally or externally. He just became Hand of the Queen yeah, i think the whole dany plotline was always kinda weak and it was the first thing the go truly to poo poo when the show got awful.
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kaworu posted:They were using a slightly bigger Iron Throne in this series, no? Seemed to me like it had a whole front section to it with steps and melted swords on the sides. Not that it was a huge difference, but it was marginally better.
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Yeah Robert would have massacred himself on that thing.
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kaworu posted:They were using a slightly bigger Iron Throne in this series, no? Seemed to me like it had a whole front section to it with steps and melted swords on the sides. Not that it was a huge difference, but it was marginally better. book iron throne  tbf this would be way too expensive to make and not enough watchers would really appreciate it imo
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I don't know, the show went for spectacle a few times, but I really do wish they'd gone for the towering monstrosity of slowly rusting half-melted swords that thirst for the blood of pretenders to the throne. It's much more memorable and visually interesting, although I suppose it would make close-ups on actors sitting on it fairly tricky. Arguably the fact that Aerys II kept slicing himself on it, to the extent that he was derisively called King Scab, shows that he was no longer fit to rule, but I think that he had been fairly capable before he lost his marbles after the Defiance of Duskendale?
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Typo posted:book iron throne I dunno, I think they could have probably pulled it off This is slightly off-topic, but thinking about this particular illustration and how cool it would have been to see it faithfully reproduced made me think of what a spectacularly awesome and fantastic success that first Lord of the Rings trilogy of films directed by Peter Jackson was. And how to me, the biggest reason for that was that the entire visual look of Middle-Earth, the main characters, and all the key locations were pretty much all either inspired by (or direct reproductions) of illustrations made for the books by a guy named Alan Lee. My first exposure to LotR was my father reading the entire trilogy to me over the course of a couple years when I was like 7-8. He bought a new copy of the books for me for this purpose, a massive hardcover tome of all the books and appendices, and glossy full-page reproductions of the Alan Lee illustrations interspersed throughout. As a result of this, just about everything about the visual look of those first three LotR films just about perfectly matched what my mental image more or less was for those characters and that world, to an almost eerie and unconscious degree. Im not really sure what Im getting at here, except to say that Im pretty sure they could have made the Iron Throne look like this if they really wanted to for this series - I think the main reason were stuck with the one we have is because Season 1 of GoT was legitimately kinda low-budget and they had to use a smaller one back then, but it became so deeply iconic they wouldnt think of changing it.
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Its just too funny that GRRM thinks he has any right to bemoan the show loving up his ending when he cant write it himself despite being only constrained by the written word and not a colossal multi continent television production.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Its just too funny that GRRM thinks he has any right to bemoan the show loving up his ending when he cant write it himself despite being only constrained by the written word and not a colossal multi continent television production. Yeah, GRRM doesn't have an ending; he has an idea that has changed in the past, will change in the future, and isn't an ending until he writes it. He doesn't get to whine.
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That throne is dumb, it would have been melted down the instant a new inbred heir took control cause its not comfortable enough.
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The throne in that famous fanart is eye-rollingly grimdark.
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Invalid Validation posted:That throne is dumb, it would have been melted down the instant a new inbred heir took control cause its not comfortable enough. Cant they put some pillows on it?
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Elias_Maluco posted:Cant they put some pillows on it? Thats potentially more dangerous. Just ask poor King Louis.
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