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Russia not taking things lightly, dumps a bunch of white phosphorous on top of an Ukrainian AFU during the night, taking shelter under a overpass or other shelter... https://twitter.com/faineg/status/1569169797795004416?s=20&t=vsxyqW8huQdm_EIfvDR-oA The loving balls on these Ukrainians, just reacting to this calmly.
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Young Freud posted:Russia not taking things lightly, dumps a bunch of white phosphorous on top of an Ukrainian AFU during the night, taking shelter under a overpass or other shelter... Something tells me that wasn't being used for the purpose of illumination.
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Young Freud posted:Russia not taking things lightly, dumps a bunch of white phosphorous on top of an Ukrainian AFU during the night, taking shelter under a overpass or other shelter... That's not white phosphorus. Thermite + magnesium Every time both sides use those Grad launched incendiary warheads it's called white phosphorus... Charlotte Hornets fucked around with this message at 07:13 on Sep 12, 2022 |
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https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1569202392058531842?s=19 The cope has hit, or is building up.
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I cannot wait for all the takes how this was actually cruel America luring Russia into a hopeless trap.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I cannot wait for all the takes how this was actually cruel America luring Russia into a hopeless trap. The CIA intentionally screwing with Ukrainian and Russian relations has been a pretty common take for a while now with a lot of the anti-American crowd. The common thread from people who believe this sort of stuff is that Russia and Ukraine (and the rest of Eastern Europe really) have zero agency. Everything is because of the Americans, according to my mum. Edit: lol the cope above suggests Putin is either overdosing on his own supply and/or is dumber than a sack of bricks. jeffreyw fucked around with this message at 08:35 on Sep 12, 2022 |
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I cannot wait for all the takes how this was actually cruel America luring Russia into a hopeless trap. Wasn't that the tankie rhetoric from day 1 of the war, immediately after "don't be silly russia would never invade" of course. Now just more desperate of course.
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Paracausal posted:https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1569202392058531842?s=19 I think they normally invite one or two "opposition" intellectuals on these things so the other guests can destroy them with facts and logic. The issue they are having though is that now they are getting beaten in the field no one knows what the official line is any more, and I think they are worried of straying too far from what they know (Ukrainians are Nazis, we're actually fighting America) so they can't offer a real defence against "we either need to mobilise or negotiate" in case it runs counter to what Putin is thinking.
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Yeah Russian state TV is basically rigged where they get a soft panelist on who only exists to get simultaneously dog piled by the resident shock jock, moderator and audience. The saddest thing about the situation is that this war being sold as a war against global aggression as well as a war to liberate Ukraine from the Nazis means they can never surrender or negotiate, least you want to be called unpatriotic, not a comrade, and a collaborator.
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Thanqol posted:Churchill: "The nazis seem to have started this war under the rather childish notion that they were going to bomb everyone else and no-one was going to bomb them." Not Churchill but Arthur Travers Harris: https://www.airforcemag.com/article/0911keeperfile/ The liberation of these new areas has been amazing to watch. The Ukrainian resolve is nothing short of awe inspiring 
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mobby_6kl posted:Wasn't that the tankie rhetoric from day 1 of the war, immediately after "don't be silly russia would never invade" of course. Now just more desperate of course. That was “Americans are asking for it/Russia has no choice”, this I’m betting is going to “Americans did this to destroy poor Russia”, i.e., the rhetorical switch to US being a peer opponent to US being 5D puppet master bully. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 09:33 on Sep 12, 2022 |
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Paracausal posted:https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1569202392058531842?s=19 That TV exchange was fascinating for a lot of reasons but the whole time I was distracted by this comically handsome bastard, or at least compared with the rest of the warmongers on display. 
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Like, at this point I’m expecting unironic “loving Blackwater mercenaries” to show up somewhere.
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You still see an awful lot of "this is entirely America's fault for trying to expand NATO" too. Which totally ignores the fact that nations are flocking to join NATO on their own accord for some reason.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I cannot wait for all the takes how this was actually cruel America luring Russia into a hopeless trap. Evil Commie Nazi Joe Brandon tricked Russia into fighting a war by telling them for months not to start a war, or else He should have understood Putin is a toddler who works in reverse psychology
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gay picnic defence posted:You still see an awful lot of "this is entirely America's fault for trying to expand NATO" too. Denying nations their agency and putting them under colonial yoke is antiimperialism and praxis
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Yeah, this is an amazing, wholly unprecedented video imo. The debate has pundits and experts openly suggesting the war on its current footing is lost and that the time has come for peace negotiations. They're dunking on the guys supporting the execution of the war who are reduced to spouting slogans and platitudes. Failing to account for the deeply felt national and ethnic identity of Ukrainians is identified as a key mistake, and scorn is heaped on the idea that the Russian forces would be greeted as liberators. The exchange at the very end is hilarious. https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1569070513909022720?s=20&t=-TadbcCRkFgBncmQhS5W1g
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PerilPastry posted:Yeah, this is an amazing, wholly unprecedented video imo. I was just about to ask in this thread who the pundit that guy was referring to that said "the only danger Russian troops would face if they entered Odesa was being hugged too much by grateful civilians", but in that twitter thread she confirms it's Yaakov Kedmi, an Israeli: https://www.spisok-putina.org/en/personas/kedmi-2/ Charming.
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What do you guys think? If the Russians are humiliatingly swept out of Ukraine, does Putin remain in power? https://mobile.twitter.com/anneapplebaum/status/1569039405679104001
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PerilPastry posted:Yeah, this is an amazing, wholly unprecedented video imo. I wouldn't read too much into this, yet. There was a russian guy (ex military or something) who's written an article before the war and correctly identified all the BS russians were huffing (i.e. Ukraine is weak, everyone actually secretly wants to be russian, the military is all they/them pansies etc) and how badly it would go. He went on one of these talk shows and said pretty much the same thing. Then a week later he showed up again, presumably after having been visited by the FSB, and said the opposite.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Like, at this point I’m expecting unironic “loving Blackwater mercenaries” to show up somewhere. Telegram psychos already did the "BLACK NATO OPERATIVES" scare because of Malcolm Nance photo
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Charlz Guybon posted:What do you guys think? If the Russians are humiliatingly swept out of Ukraine, does Putin remain in power? I'd be more willing to consider this as a possibility if people put forward a scenario in which it might happen. Putin has spent his time ensuring that nobody is strong enough to oppose him. The military is hobbled precisely for this reason, weak people are put in positions of power to ensure there's no threat. So if it's not a military coup or getting removed by other powerful people, then what's left? A popular uprising? About what? Russia loses the war, brings the troops home, sanctions end.... who's going to risk throwing away their lives and freedom because that happened? Maybe thousands of angry and unappreciated soldiers returning from the war could cause some serious unrest, and that could cascade into all sorts of things - but right now, I just don't see an avenue where Putin losing this war ejects him from power. If he does mass mobilisation on the other hand... that would be a catastrophe for popular support. You can see why he's afraid of it.
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Chalks posted:I'd be more willing to consider this as a possibility if people put forward a scenario in which it might happen. Putin has spent his time ensuring that nobody is strong enough to oppose him. The military is hobbled precisely for this reason, weak people are put in positions of power to ensure there's no threat. Dying of old age or cancer will also eject Putin from power and given how he's structured the country; this is likely to be just as disastrous as any of the scenarios you've listed. Sure, there's been news that there is a successor already named, but the current system is set up for Putin, by Putin, and the next guy won't be Putin. But, I agree, none of the ramifications of this war are going to involve any personal consequence to Putin. Just to Russia, which he doesn't seem particularly concerned with.
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Meanwhile the pressure in the Kherson region continues https://twitter.com/Euan_MacDonald/status/1569252322559102976
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mobby_6kl posted:I wouldn't read too much into this, yet. There was a russian guy (ex military or something) who's written an article before the war and correctly identified all the BS russians were huffing (i.e. Ukraine is weak, everyone actually secretly wants to be russian, the military is all they/them pansies etc) and how badly it would go. He went on one of these talk shows and said pretty much the same thing. Then a week later he showed up again, presumably after having been visited by the FSB, and said the opposite. He's now a frequent guest, too. The illusion of balance in Russian propaganda talk shows is part of what makes them relatively effective. On one show they have a random American guy, who's dumb enough to think he can convincingly lay out his case with his not so great Russian. They always introduce him as a journalist, even though he literally only worked at a college newspaper over a decade ago, and is just a nobody now who happens to live in Russia with his Russian wife. As an avatar of the entire 'West', his less than stellar understanding of any issue helps the narrative that Western leaders are meddling with things they know nothing about. On other shows they have equally stupid Ukrainians or, in this case, a washed up politician. When it's a supercut of only the 'sensible guy', it may look like there's some kind of a change in the official position or something, but you have to remember that the rest 45 minutes, they are not allowed to speak, basically.
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Paladinus posted:He's now a frequent guest, too. The illusion of balance in Russian propaganda talk shows is part of what makes them relatively effective. Overall, yeah. I avoid watching the whole 45 minutes for mental health issues but that's exactly my impression too.
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Charlz Guybon posted:What do you guys think? If the Russians are humiliatingly swept out of Ukraine, does Putin remain in power? Whoever comes next, we should make sure it is chosen by people like Applebaum, their choice last time, Vladimir Putin, took their ideology to its eventual end point successfully.
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mobby_6kl posted:I wouldn't read too much into this, yet. There was a russian guy (ex military or something) who's written an article before the war and correctly identified all the BS russians were huffing (i.e. Ukraine is weak, everyone actually secretly wants to be russian, the military is all they/them pansies etc) and how badly it would go. He went on one of these talk shows and said pretty much the same thing. Then a week later he showed up again, presumably after having been visited by the FSB, and said the opposite.  , I think you mean this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_KhodaryonokE: Had to link to Wikipedia because I can't find the posts about it in this thread right now. orcane fucked around with this message at 10:59 on Sep 12, 2022 |
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orcane posted:It wasn't even a week, it took all of two days Guy must live in a really tall apartment building. All they had to do was nod toward the window.
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mobby_6kl posted:Do you remember his name? I was trying to look up that article but don't have it bookmarked. Mikhail Khodaryonok. E: fb
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Hannibal Rex posted:https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1568917138621997058?t=TQjcedzG26TeS38fV3QvcA&s=19 I'd say it's 50/50 as to whether this is misdirection. It probably boils down to whether Ukraine thinks Russia can actually defend a push here or if they're incapable of resistance at this point. Unrelated,  (russian fighter jet crashing) - with an airforce like this, who needs air defences?https://twitter.com/praisethesteph/status/1569260130004340737
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Paracausal posted:Meanwhile the pressure in the Kherson region continues I wonder how much ammo they have on that side of the river? It can't be heaps since ammo dumps have a sad habit of turning into huge craters and pontoon bridges are being rapidly converted into artificial reefs. You can see why they might be considering moving the front back towards the river so they can be supported by artillery on the other bank.
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FishBulbia posted:Whoever comes next, we should make sure it is chosen by people like Applebaum, their choice last time, Vladimir Putin, took their ideology to its eventual end point successfully. Whatever it is you are trying to say about people like Applebaum being cold warriors or whatever, no one in the West "chose Putin", nor did anyone outside Russia.
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Chalks posted:I'd say it's 50/50 as to whether this is misdirection. It probably boils down to whether Ukraine thinks Russia can actually defend a push here or if they're incapable of resistance at this point. Looks like it banked left and maybe an aileron or rudder got stuck so it couldn't level out.
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Chalks posted:Unrelated, Who needs lift when you have traditional values E: some guy in the comments says it could be ukrainian but 
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