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SpeedFreek posted:I don't recall seeing this posted earlier. it almost always comes down to someone not gauging a connection or wire properly, and the drat thing heats up enough to cause a fire. either that or faulty or cheap components causing a short.
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The rest of it sounded like they were inspecting everything and bringing it online, even if CNBC is definitely taking the "how SCARY and DANGEROUS and EXPENSIVE" angle. this was funny: quote:In addition to its warehouses, Amazon has some solar roof systems at its Whole Foods stores. Amazon and its auditor, Clean Energy Associates (CEA), put off inspection of the solar rooftop systems at Whole Foods locations until 2022, the documents said. As of late 2021, four years after acquiring Whole Foods, Amazon was still working to attain technical information about the renewable energy assets at the stores.
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Over a decade ago the large hadron collider exploded because the wrong kind of solder was used (a kind that doesn't superconduct). So these huge magnets that are like 5 meters long were fine but each one had a 1 cm solder joint that was faulty.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:it almost always comes down to someone not gauging a connection or wire properly, and the drat thing heats up enough to cause a fire. either that or faulty or cheap components causing a short. That's one of the strengths and weaknesses of renewables over say nuclear. A fault in a renewable is going to cause a rather minimal amount of damage and maybe a fatality or two as each individual installation is just so much lower stakes than a large industrial installation like nuclear (or even old coal plant or the LHC) which will cause a lot of grief when there is a fault. On the flipside, the oversight over such a diverse and large number of installations means that it is going to impossible to maintain the large installation standards of safety and as a result be fiendishly difficult to prevent faults across the fleet and will result in a generally higher per kw fatality rate.
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Electric Wrigglies posted:That's one of the strengths and weaknesses of renewables over say nuclear. A fault in a renewable is going to cause a rather minimal amount of damage and maybe a fatality or two as each individual installation is just so much lower stakes than a large industrial installation like nuclear (or even old coal plant or the LHC) which will cause a lot of grief when there is a fault. On the flipside, the oversight over such a diverse and large number of installations means that it is going to impossible to maintain the large installation standards of safety and as a result be fiendishly difficult to prevent faults across the fleet and will result in a generally higher per kw fatality rate. It also depends on what you mean by "renewable", geothermal power is a pretty complex system compared to solar panels. There's also the classification issue upthread over whether hydro power is truly renewable (it totally is but I get why it may be classified otherwise) There's also the ability to use corn (ethanol) or even just wood as fuel, which is technically renewable but probably not any safer than a power plant that burns diesel. Hydrogen (green-washed or otherwise) also gets the "renewable" label sometimes even if it probably doesn't deserve it Also the EU recently labeled natural gas as "green" lol
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:it almost always comes down to someone not gauging a connection or wire properly, and the drat thing heats up enough to cause a fire. quote:either that or faulty or cheap components causing a short. My best personal story was the boss not willing to pay the concrete guys to wrap the equipment in plastic. New equipment was installed and he wasn't willing to pay for a backup to the lubrication system, after a power outage it was only a few hundred thousand in repairs. The backup system was installed but the alarm contacts weren't wired to the PLC because that would cost money, a few more 100k in repairs. And can't use the old equipment because it's saturated in concrete dust. Those were all problems an experienced electrician found and brought up before being dismissed, like a good electrician would also know when a conductor is undersized or the wrong. I suspect we will be seeing more stories like this based on the now hiring solar installers for $17/hr ads I've seen.
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QuarkJets posted:Also the EU recently labeled natural gas as "green" lol That's just them looking ahead for the large scale carbon capture CO2 to hydrocarbon distilleries they're going to power off of overbuilt... wait hold on
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QuarkJets posted:Also the EU recently labeled natural gas as "green" lol Well this is the industry that had the audacity to brand "methane and other contaminants" as "natural gas".
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Now we're cooking with radiation. Finlands energy supply was 51.5% nuclear last night as Olkiluoto 3 revs into higher gear and produced 1200MW of power for a while, down to 800-ish again now but will ramp to 1200 today again and then in a couple of weeks it'll go for 1600MW Kärnkraft nuclear light green is wind blue hydro yellow stuff like peat, pellets etc dark green unspecified
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"It's not the scary nuclear power, it's efficient Karnkraft energy. Like IKEA, but for power."
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Easy to assemble, if you got any problems just call. 
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 His Divine Shadow posted:Easy to assemble, if you got any problems just call. Meanwhile, https://twitter.com/Vincetacular/status/1567958331591127040 https://twitter.com/Eivissa749/status/1567914863715930114  indeed
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maybe its countries with thoise flag colors that are massively stupid about nuclear power?
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who knows If this were associated with a correlating massive, extremely rapid 3 year rollout of solar/wind/storage, it would actually possibly look responsible. It isn't, though, so it's not. My outlook regarding EU energy policy mismanagement is the same as ERCOT mismanagement: whatever decisions they want to make on ideological and fossil-financed grounds, let 'em. They're asking for leopards to eat their faces, and my grid is at least not directly connected to their grid. Unfortunately, the Great Leopard comes for all our faces in the form of climate change, so it's hard to not be furious when states separated by oceans from me turn off their advanced power generation infrastructure to make fossil fuel lobbies happy. It's maddening--energy generation and climate policy in the developing world is a massive sticky mess, but a bunch of developed nations that are already over many of those hurdles are voluntarily deciding to go back to carbon-heavy power generation. The real shame is for all the states of the EU that have been handling energy policy responsibly, only to watch their neighbors turn off their generation industries then demand power exports.
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Even if the belgians really bust their assess and replace the discontinued nuclear capacity with 100% renewables, they'd be still using a shitton of gas. Seems like exactly the same issue as Germany. They could've replaced fossil fuels with renewables first, but instead replaced nuclear and kept fossils because of ~atoms~ PhazonLink posted:maybe its countries with thoise flag colors that are massively stupid about nuclear power?  Checks out
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I think a lot of the hysteria simply stems from Western media coverage of Fukushima in 2011 being so bad that many people conflate the reactor meltdown with all the damage of the tsunami.
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Arglebargle III posted:I think a lot of the hysteria simply stems from Western media coverage of Fukushima in 2011 being so bad that many people conflate the reactor meltdown with all the damage of the tsunami. Here's a fun story about a geothermal project that just popped up, though the latest news seems to be from April.
It's located here: https://www.google.com/maps/place/D...!4d-118.0811526 About 50km from the nearest populated trailer it seems. I certainly don't want to dismiss environmental and human concerns... but this is how projects turn into a disaster. I'm pretty sure by the time the lawsuits are resolved, you could've built five natural gas plants.
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Increasing your demand for natural gas just now seems less than wise, too.
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I had some fun looking at satellite images of the north sea. Look at all those windmills! https://apps.sentinel-hub.com/eo-br...3D=%22MAPZEN%22 You can select the satellites here: https://apps.sentinel-hub.com/eo-browser/?zoom=7&lat=54.8917&lng=6.58519&themeId=DEFAULT-THEME
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Nessus posted:Increasing your demand for natural gas just now seems less than wise, too. It's great for fossil futures investors and the parties they lobby!
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Yanis Varoufakis describes how the european electricity market works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NicE0-N9ux0 Can't say I agree with him that part of the solution is to stop boycotting russian gas though, wtf?
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Well I mean it would solve the "energy crisis " That said, gently caress you Yanis
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As he explains it, the boycot is only helping putin and european oligarchs. But I sure as gently caress can't see how it's helping Putin... But the real important part of the video is the explanation of the european electricity market.
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His Divine Shadow posted:But the real important part of the video is the explanation of the european electricity market. I struggle with his usage of the phrase "zero marginal cost" referring to solar and wind, because some people would assume that the power is free. It really isn't, the cost per MWh is the install cost + maintenance cost amortized over the lifetime of the windmill or solar installation. He touches on this indirectly later, but I think the end result is somewhat disingenuous. The European energy market is 100% a scam though, he's spot on there.
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His Divine Shadow posted:As he explains it, the boycot is only helping putin and european oligarchs. But I sure as gently caress can't see how it's helping Putin... It's been opposite day for years for some people and there's not a drat thing we can do about it 
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His Divine Shadow posted:As he explains it, the boycot is only helping putin and european oligarchs. But I sure as gently caress can't see how it's helping Putin... I've seen the argument that after a while, sanctions and boycotts undermine the economic base for the normal population while the leadership class get even more of a monopoly on all the wealth and are insulated from their consequences. Iran and North Korea and... Russia are high profile examples of sanctions not leading to leadership change. https://www.brookings.edu/research/economic-sanctions-too-much-of-a-bad-thing/ Boycotts and sanctions definitely have shortcomings, but there's not many other non-military ways of punishing bad behavior in the international sphere that I can think of. And there's the whole concept that you need to make it as hard as possible for bad actors to fund the activities you don't want them to engage in...
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Wibla posted:I struggle with his usage of the phrase "zero marginal cost" referring to solar and wind, because some people would assume that the power is free. It really isn't, the cost per MWh is the install cost + maintenance cost amortized over the lifetime of the windmill or solar installation. He touches on this indirectly later, but I think the end result is somewhat disingenuous. "Marginal" is the key point, that the cost is fixed over the life of the plant regardless of how much it generates. Although I would think that a wind turbine has additional maintenance costs depending on how often they run, but this is probably very low. But yes, it could be misconstrued as "free electricity" when really it is fixed price electricity.
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His Divine Shadow posted:Can't say I agree with him that part of the solution is to stop boycotting russian gas though, wtf? Europe is not boycotting Russian gas though. Russia has in effect imposed gas sanctions on Europe in response to sanctions imposed on Russia by Europe. The only way to get gas flowing again is to lift economic and trade sanctions on Russia which would include selling gear they can use in the war Ukraine.
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Wibla posted:I struggle with his usage of the phrase "zero marginal cost" referring to solar and wind, because some people would assume that the power is free.
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Ain't lookin great https://twitter.com/BurggrabenH/status/1567929340737863680
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Jesus that's a big thread. Here: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1567929340737863680.html I kind of skimmed over it but the tl;dr seems to be that we can't match generation with consumption and it' s bad. Which, yeah.
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He also murders the storage fantasy around tweet 60'ish On the whole I am struck with how this huge interconnected grid allowed so many member countries to just gently caress over their own responsibilities and rely on their neighbors, until that stopped working. Everyone thought about what was individually rational and the consequences where collectively disastrous. A less connected grid where every country would have to supply the majority of it's own power would not have been able to create this EU wide mess. His Divine Shadow fucked around with this message at 12:10 on Sep 14, 2022 |
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His Divine Shadow posted:Everyone thought about what was individually rational and the consequences where collectively disastrous. This is a great turn of phrase and I'm going to steal it.
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His Divine Shadow posted:He also murders the storage fantasy around tweet 60'ish Hmm, the 15TW figure sounds familiar...  mobby_6kl posted:Yeah ok that French site lets you download the actual hourly data for the past year (though 2021 is 404
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His Divine Shadow posted:On the whole I am struck with how this huge interconnected grid allowed so many member countries to just gently caress over their own responsibilities and rely on their neighbors, until that stopped working. Everyone thought about what was individually rational and the consequences where collectively disastrous. A less connected grid where every country would have to supply the majority of it's own power would not have been able to create this EU wide mess. It's the nation-state version of "gently caress you, got mine" 
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