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GaussianCopula posted:Slovakia, mostly due to their parliament not being in session though. Thanks. Incidentally Podolyak's saying stupid, irresponsible stuff again. Thankfully Stoltenberg and Biden's statements today make it clear they aren't biting. https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/status/1572636245385416704
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Boris Galerkin posted:What the hell role did Mr. Kill-You-With-A-Bonesaw play in this? https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-releases-10-foreigners-captured-ukraine-after-saudi-mediation-riyadh-2022-09-21/ quote:RIYADH, Sept 21 (Reuters) - Russia on Wednesday released 10 foreign prisoners of war captured in Ukraine following mediation by Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, the Saudi foreign ministry said.
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Boris Galerkin posted:What the hell role did Mr. Kill-You-With-A-Bonesaw play in this? Is he just one of those dictators that Putin listens to? I'm guessing they both found common ground on blatantly murdering people they find inconvenient. Or that Saudi Arabia threatened to turn on the oil taps and further tank Russia's economy for whatever reason they felt like to get this done.
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Like it or not, there is a relationship between the political elites of the UK and Saudi Arabia and has been for a very long time. I believe the British has armed KSA during their Yemen action for example. A lot of Arabian royalty goes to Sandhurst. Etc etc etc
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MBS is also desperate to be taken seriously and seen as a "good guy." This didn't cost anyone involved anything but time, everyone looks better for it.
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Long time since I gave an update on my Russian friends. My friend who managed to get Aliyah to move to Israel is sadly still inside Russia, his parents and grandmother already moved to Israel, but he has a ticket for October 23rd... Meanwhile another friend of mine who had no chance to leave as he had to stay to take care of his parents (his brother managed to move to Slovenia with his family) sent me an email almost 4 hours ago saying that he is going to a protest and said his good byes, saying he doesn't know if he will ever get home. I managed to reach him via telegram about 10 minutes ago and the only message he sent as a reply was "Бегу" (running). No idea what to think. I started drinking.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:It’s in dire straits. Atreiden posted:It's being propped up by the EU (+ separate help from EU countries), US, UK + others, sadly on what seems like an ad hoc basis. The EU approved €5 billion in help today https://euneighbourseast.eu/news/latest-news/eu-formally-approves-additional-e5-billion-assistance-to-ukraine/ Chalks posted:It's hosed (like, 35-45% smaller), but they're also mobilised so that has a big impact and I've not seen any analysis about what sort of long term damage has been done. It might be impossible to tell. Bit late on this, thread moves fast, but thanks. That's unfortunate. Money spent for foreign aid might not be as sexy as sending big boom booms, but it sounds like it might be just as vital. Maybe it's a good time to write a letter to your local representative showing your support for more economic aid to Ukraine? Feels like this is something that's worth boosting the signal about lest Ukraine wins the war and loses the peace.
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with a rebel yell she QQd posted:Meanwhile another friend of mine who had no chance to leave as he had to stay to take care of his parents (his brother managed to move to Slovenia with his family) sent me an email almost 4 hours ago saying that he is going to a protest and said his good byes, saying he doesn't know if he will ever get home. 
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d64 posted:Anonymous Russian correspondent of Finnish daily newspaper hs.fi reports that while in the spring, he found the polls showing 80%+ support for the war incredible, at this point it is clear support for the war has grown. Many people who were earlier on the fence are now openly for it. Availability of goods (including, for example, foreign electronics) has again improved in the last few months and there is no shortage of any necessities; many people had fears of empty shelves which have this far turned out unfounded. wow an anonymous russian source who says everything is great and people love getting called up to go get shelled in Ukraine also from finnish border 
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with a rebel yell she QQd posted:I just got this. ugh, are they shooting at protesters?
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Herstory Begins Now posted:wow an anonymous russian source who says everything is great and people love getting called up to go get shelled in Ukraine I assume there's no visa free travel into Finland, so what are people travelling there claiming? Pretending it's a holiday or claiming political asylum? Would a big Z on your car get you turned back?
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Flavahbeast posted:ugh, are they shooting at protesters? I don't have any details yet, he is pretty shaken, but on his way home "safe".
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with a rebel yell she QQd posted:I just got this. https://mobile.twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1572662856205881345
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For some reason, despite the new escalation by Russia, there was a PoW exhange. The three foreign Ukrainian soldiers that were sentenced to death in DNR are among other Azovstal defenders who are free now. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-releases-10-foreigners-captured-ukraine-after-saudi-mediation-riyadh-2022-09-21/ The article says 10, but Ukrainian media seem to indicate that more were freed and returned to Ukraine by other means.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Not much, ergo “partial mobilisation”, as it really pains them to admit that they’re in dire straits. The closest thing on industry was yesterday’s MIC roundtable about dealing with the western sanctions. That is interesting along with Putin softening rhetoric somewhat. Not in the sense that the rhetoric changes anything, but when you're fighting neo-nazis, you have the option of saying 'we hosed them up enough' and disengaging. As long as the rhetoric was that Ukraine are literally Nazis, there's simply no way to off-ramp that. Changing that language doesn't change anything, but it does show that he wants to leave himself an off-ramp at some point. Interesting to see a bit of reality got through to Putin. I guess having two fronts collapse into routs and losing multiple regiments, including one of their very best tank regiments will do that Chalks posted:I assume there's no visa free travel into Finland, so what are people travelling there claiming? Pretending it's a holiday or claiming political asylum? Would a big Z on your car get you turned back? idk beyond schengen visa holders have been able to get in? I imagine someone here more directly knowledgeable about what's going on on the Finnish border can give you a better answer
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It seems significant that in the last 24 hours or so, Turkey's Erdogan has said that Russia must return Crimea and everything else to Ukraine, and Turkish foreign ministry has called the referendums to annex Ukrainian parts 'illegal'. Both understanders and neutral parties are running low for Russia.
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Paladinus posted:For some reason, despite the new escalation by Russia, there was a PoW exhange. The three foreign Ukrainian soldiers that were sentenced to death in DNR are among other Azovstal defenders who are free now. Fallout from the Kharkiv offensive probably. I wonder what the ratio was, these are some high profile prisoners being released by Russia. Could be that Ukraine had some high ranking Russians but maybe they just gave them prisoners 10:1 - after all, they've got PoWs to spare
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Paladinus posted:For some reason, despite the new escalation by Russia, there was a PoW exhange. The three foreign Ukrainian soldiers that were sentenced to death in DNR are among other Azovstal defenders who are free now. 10 are just the foreigners. There are photos of some of the Ukrainians exchanged around (including earlier in the thread); I think those are separate exchanges since these 10 apparently went through Riyadh and the to London, whole the Ukrainians were exchanged near Chernigiv. The timing I imagine is because the crazies have mobilization to compensate some for having their bloodlust unsated.
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with a rebel yell she QQd posted:I just got this. Бегу did look suspicious, in a bad way, not this kind of bad way  Paladinus posted:For some reason, despite the new escalation by Russia, there was a PoW exhange. The three foreign Ukrainian soldiers that were sentenced to death in DNR are among other Azovstal defenders who are free now. “We’re going to nuke these NATO fascists” I say as I help illegal Nazi mercenaries board a plane home.
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Chalks posted:Fallout from the Kharkiv offensive probably. I wonder what the ratio was, these are some high profile prisoners being released by Russia. Could be that Ukraine had some high ranking Russians but maybe they just gave them prisoners 10:1 - after all, they've got PoWs to spare I don't think we can draw such conclusions. Prisoner exchanges have been going on all along. Foreign citizens are special, but in the end not super valuable. Despite all the hot takes, Russia still wants their boys back too because it can be portrayed as heros returning to home or at least you get less mothers of soldiers rallies.
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Chalks posted:I assume there's no visa free travel into Finland, so what are people travelling there claiming? Pretending it's a holiday or claiming political asylum? Would a big Z on your car get you turned back? The discussion here in Finland for a couple weeks now has been arguing about whether we should indefinitely postpone / cancel all tourist visas for travellers from Russia, like the Baltic states have already done. As opposed to pushing for an EU/Schengen-wide policy change.
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Nenonen posted:It seems significant that in the last 24 hours or so, Turkey's Erdogan has said that Russia must return Crimea and everything else to Ukraine, and Turkish foreign ministry has called the referendums to annex Ukrainian parts 'illegal'. Turkey was never on russia's side here, I don't think. It's really just China and to a lesser degree India and they're still doing the "why don't you guys just hug" thing
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Paladinus posted:For some reason, despite the new escalation by Russia, there was a PoW exhange. The three foreign Ukrainian soldiers that were sentenced to death in DNR are among other Azovstal defenders who are free now. You only big dick with denying POW exchanges when you are absolutely sure you aren't going to have a lot of POWs from your side in enemy hands. Russia has never been in that position in this war, so things like this will happen.
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There's video of what looks to be this woman on the ground - I came across it in my Ukraine twitter feed. The woman is very very very limp. I do not want to link it but I will if you ask me to cinci. It's on the Kyiv Post twitter page. From experience don't watch it if you have head trauma related PTSD, or in general really.
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mobby_6kl posted:Turkey was never on russia's side here, I don't think. It's really just China and to a lesser degree India and they're still doing the "why don't you guys just hug" thing Certainly not on their side, I mean Bayraktar and all. But I don't remember such a clear stance against Russian occupation of Ukraine until now. The Turkey-Russia relationship has been, shall we say, convoluted...
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For anyone who still buys into the absurd idea that a potential (and at the moment, deeply hypothetical) total republican electoral victory would lead to the US taking a pro russian policy position, lets see what archconservative outlet nationalreview is saying US and NATO policy should be towards Russia from https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/09/putin-approaches-the-nuclear-red-line/ Seriously the dems are the less pro-war/intervention political party, the idea that republicans are going to be any less is just an absolute fantasy.
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with a rebel yell she QQd posted:I just got this. Blyaaaa that's a proper pizdets. gently caress
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spankmeister posted:Blyaaaa that's a proper pizdets. gently caress Im sorry but can anyone translate? Everyones reaction is bad but i dont know what it says? thanks.
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KitConstantine posted:There's video of what looks to be this woman on the ground - I came across it in my Ukraine twitter feed. The woman is very very very limp. I do not want to link it but I will if you ask me to cinci. It's on the Kyiv Post twitter page. Nah, thanks, I’m afraid we’re clear enough here already. Zhanism posted:Im sorry but can anyone translate? Everyones reaction is bad but i dont know what it says? OP’s friend just had a woman murdered next to him
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Zhanism posted:Im sorry but can anyone translate? Everyones reaction is bad but i dont know what it says? "gently caress. They killed a girl right next to me. gently caress."
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Holy poo poo they actually freed Redis and Kalina https://twitter.com/antiputler_news/status/1572693973595979777?t=GZH5-jLJqe9V12ZC_RrdRQ&s=19 Did Ukrainians capture a Kadyrov family member to exchange for them? Hard to imagine Russians settling for anything less
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Chalks posted:Is this since the mobilisation announcement or before? Before. Herstory Begins Now posted:wow an anonymous russian source who says everything is great and people love getting called up to go get shelled in Ukraine
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fatherboxx posted:Holy poo poo they actually freed Redis and Kalina I kinda wonder if Putin's making a push for some kind of quick resolution behind the scenes. If he's still trying to lay claim to Kherson and Zaporozhnia oblasts I'm sure it's a non starter, though. Earlier there were also rumors that Medvedchuk was handed over to Russia as part of the exchange but I dont know if that ended up being true Girkin is very unhappy with all this of course (machine translation) 
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War in Ukraine: I ask for the maximum repost
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d64 posted:Before. Thanks for the added context
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