|
OddObserver posted:Very much christ, i wouldn't be surprised if the men who surrended at avostal were generally given extra "attention", but this is terrible to see
|
#
?
Sep 24, 2022 01:10
|
|
--- condition of one of the recently exchanged Ukrainian POWs:
|
|
| # ? Jun 5, 2024 19:02 |
|
|
Another dawn is breaking in Kyiv, and it's still Ukrainian.   
|
|
#
?
Sep 24, 2022 04:52
|
|
|
I hope all those Azovstal defenders get sent to a nice resort in Antalya to rest and recuperate in total luxury. They deserve it.
|
|
#
?
Sep 24, 2022 05:09
|
|
|
TVs Ian posted:Seriously, does Russia have any kind of history of their officers getting fragged? Because this seems like a really good way to encourage that.
|
|
#
?
Sep 24, 2022 05:20
|
|
|
Does anyone have insights or expertise on a timeline for Russian annexation of the new federal subjects once the "referendums" are completed? Looks like Crimea had their "referendum" on Sunday, and were annexed on Friday, 5 days later. I'm also curious to know how they're going to determine the borders. Will they indeed annex areas that are under Ukranian control when they annex it? Seems untenable, even for those nutcases.
|
|
#
?
Sep 24, 2022 05:32
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1573527414541586440?s=20&t=GNwkLJRkO3J_eqF3ixE_vQ Not sure if this had been posted but the Kherson part I hadn't heard.
|
|
#
?
Sep 24, 2022 05:36
|
|
|
https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1573521982691414018 I wonder if there are any previous examples of a leader doing this that Putin could have studied
|
|
#
?
Sep 24, 2022 05:37
|
|
|
Private Witt posted:Does anyone have insights or expertise on a timeline for Russian annexation of the new federal subjects once the "referendums" are completed? Looks like Crimea had their "referendum" on Sunday, and were annexed on Friday, 5 days later. All of that stuff matters only to Russia. To everyone else in the world, they're still occupied Ukrainian oblasts, and nothing is going to change that. Whatever Russia wants to call them makes no difference. Ukraine will plan and fight the same way before and after. Russia can set the borders any way they want, as they will then be ignored as Ukraine retakes the land.
|
|
#
?
Sep 24, 2022 05:45
|
|
|
Next we’ll find out that Putin is promoting the generals responsible for the defense of Kherson to field marshal.
|
|
#
?
Sep 24, 2022 05:47
|
|
|
Private Witt posted:Does anyone have insights or expertise on a timeline for Russian annexation of the new federal subjects once the "referendums" are completed? Looks like Crimea had their "referendum" on Sunday, and were annexed on Friday, 5 days later. It will happen extremely quickly, as you don't need to put anything in place when your annexations are entirely imaginary. I expect by Wednesday we'll have had another address from Putin where he sternly tells us that these areas are now Russian territory and he will use "all available weapons" to defend them. I expect the borders will just be the oblast borders from whatever map he has hanging around. Drawing new borders is both hard work and an admission that you aren't on a permanent winning streak, so he'll decide he's annexed the whole lot, declare the Ukrainian held parts as occupied territory and demand immediate withdrawal back to the "new Ukrainian border" on pain of nuclear consequences. This will, of course, be ignored.
|
|
#
?
Sep 24, 2022 06:08
|
|
|
We should look at the USSR road atlas to figure out the borders they're gonna claim because that's what they seem to be using in battle also. https://twitter.com/uarealitynow/status/1570754173117034497
|
|
#
?
Sep 24, 2022 06:52
|
|
|
NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:It will happen extremely quickly, as you don't need to put anything in place when your annexations are entirely imaginary. I expect by Wednesday we'll have had another address from Putin where he sternly tells us that these areas are now Russian territory and he will use "all available weapons" to defend them. Ukraine has literally already strike inside of Russia itself and Crimea
|
|
#
?
Sep 24, 2022 06:55
|
|
|
Is there any info on the age make-up of the draft avoiders at the borders? Is it mainly young folks, who are somewhat likely to actually be opposed to the war, or are there a lot of boomers, who would happily see Ukraine burn, as long as it's not them doing the burning?
|
|
#
?
Sep 24, 2022 06:57
|
|
|
Like how hard is it to print out updated maps for your soldiers. Like I do not understand why even the simple poo poo is not happening. I mean I'm glad, but jfc
|
|
#
?
Sep 24, 2022 07:02
|
|
|
cr0y posted:Like how hard is it to print out updated maps for your soldiers. Like I do not understand why even the simple poo poo is not happening. The short answer is nitsevoo. The slightly longer answer is that no one cares, and anyone who even slightly cared got that beat out of them, either physically or mentally, by the sociodynamics of the Russian military. It's just grift and corruption all the way.
|
|
#
?
Sep 24, 2022 07:07
|
|
|
spankmeister posted:We should look at the USSR road atlas to figure out the borders they're gonna claim because that's what they seem to be using in battle also.
|
|
#
?
Sep 24, 2022 07:43
|
|
|
Budzilla posted:The USSR produced the best maps for military planners because if you are invading a country you have to rely on accurate maps. Unfortunately if you were a civilian in the USSR they released deliberately lovely maps of their own territory for exactly the same reason. Yep, public maps included fake cities and omitted secret towns just to confuse spies. And I doubt that the Automobilist's Road Atlas is of the highest quality, let alone shows you all the roads of Ukraine in 2022. https://www.nytimes.com/1988/09/03/world/soviet-aide-admits-maps-were-faked-for-50-years.html NYT in 1988 posted:The Soviet Union's chief cartographer acknowledged today that for the last 50 years the Soviet Union had deliberately falsified virtually all public maps of the country, misplacing rivers and streets, distorting boundaries and omitting geographical features, on orders of the secret police.
|
|
#
?
Sep 24, 2022 07:52
|
|
|
The UN's Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Ukraine has released its first report on war crimes committed in Ukraine after interviewing about 150 victims and witnesses and visiting a number of settlements. https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/09/1127691 posted:Much of the Commission’s work focused on investigations in the regions of Kyiv, Chernihiv, Kharkiv, and Sumy, where allegations of the most serious rights violations were made against Russian, or Russian-backed forces, early in the war. Emphasis the United Nations. Prior to this Russian soldiers have recorded and published videos of themselves committing rape, castrating a POW, using a skull as a party prop and an impaled head on a pole. I think it's notable when people broadcast their crimes as it suggests there is no shame associated with it or fear of punishment for perpetrating it and informs us of their attitude to their victims. One may argue it's merely a series of unfortunate events but to me it has felt like the tip of the iceberg. Imagine what they are not showing us. Perhaps an inevitable result of 8 years of dehumanizing efforts on part of the Russian state. Propaganda flows in both directions from many sources but the UN report is the closest thing we come to a serious and unbiased investigation. We'll know more in the coming years but I think it's clear that any realist notion of surrender is an absurd idea from the perspective of the Ukrainians. War is a show of horrors but if the alternative is living under the care and protection of Russian occupation forces then there is no real choice.
|
|
#
?
Sep 24, 2022 08:13
|
|
|
OddObserver posted:The headline scarequotes the wrong word. Quoting a single word is also used to *emphasize* that the word came from the speaking party. It is super commonly used like that in British English, somewhat less in American. Them saying a "sham” election in the headline is not just a substitute for saying "so-called scam election". It’s saying that even NATO is flat out directly calling it a "sham" election and they’re not mincing words. Like here for the BBC, which uses single word quotes constantly: https://www.reddit.com/r/answers/comments/50fjqq/what_is_the_logic_behind_the_bbc_websites_use_of/ I find them "incredibly annoying" and hard to interpret the author’s intent since the quotes are used "basically randomly" and interchangeably to both emphasize a word’s importance and to diminish a word’s importance a la prefacing with "so-called", but anyway headline quotes in English aren’t always scare quotes.
|
|
#
?
Sep 24, 2022 08:41
|
|
|
cr0y posted:Like how hard is it to print out updated maps for your soldiers. Like I do not understand why even the simple poo poo is not happening. I believe Russia literally ran out of paper as early as March. If it's available it's probably scarce and likely to be part of embezzlement schemes from government officials. My guess it it's not being "wasted" on things that will help the special operation.
|
|
#
?
Sep 24, 2022 09:11
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1573584735544246273 I don't know anything about guns but this seems sub optimal. This is claiming to be some equipment for mobilized right?
|
|
#
?
Sep 24, 2022 09:21
|
|
|
Bashez posted:https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1573584735544246273 People can probably tell from the accents of the people speaking but it wouldn't surprise me if it's just hosed up equipment found somewhere recently liberated in Ukraine rather than videos from Russian mobilised troops
|
|
#
?
Sep 24, 2022 09:40
|
|
|
gay picnic defence posted:People can probably tell from the accents of the people speaking but it wouldn't surprise me if it's just hosed up equipment found somewhere recently liberated in Ukraine rather than videos from Russian mobilised troops they're wearing russian uniforms
|
|
#
?
Sep 24, 2022 09:47
|
|
|
gay picnic defence posted:People can probably tell from the accents of the people speaking but it wouldn't surprise me if it's just hosed up equipment found somewhere recently liberated in Ukraine rather than videos from Russian mobilised troops Even if it is, if Russia has to find 300,000 aks some of them being in a bad condition isn't too shocking. It would have to be happening more than in this one video for it to matter.
|
|
#
?
Sep 24, 2022 09:48
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1573586461613588481 No, its equipment given to conscripts
|
|
#
?
Sep 24, 2022 09:49
|
|
|
There's currently a shitload of videos coming out of basically every base that mobilizing troops are being sent to.
|
|
#
?
Sep 24, 2022 09:53
|
|
|
This struck me as an amazing contrast. Seems to me Kadyrov is leveraging the situation to poo poo on a key part of Putin's base to heighten his own public profile? https://twitter.com/DionisCenusa/status/1573298976698535937?s=20&t=IzQE7DSybOzVgO9r8aBeGA VS https://twitter.com/leonidragozin/status/1573577213282222080?s=20&t=vABqzPbgxUVseQTKaXQp2w mlmp08 posted:Pentagon Press Secretary gave a televised brief, video in link. I'm really only including what has to do with Ukraine in general, so if you want those details, click the link. Yo mlmp08. Just wanted to say I really appreciate you doing these breakdowns. Btw, they sent this poor sap back home after public pressure mounted: https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1573583666701340679?s=20&t=-21x1nz7ZedSayd6sUBLTA PerilPastry fucked around with this message at 10:27 on Sep 24, 2022 |
|
#
?
Sep 24, 2022 10:20
|
|
|
spankmeister posted:https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1573586461613588481 Are those weapons just meant for their two week "training" or do they get deployed to their units with them, i could see training guns being that janky but taking that to the front is scary. 
|
|
#
?
Sep 24, 2022 10:28
|
|
|
Much as I'd like to point to Russia and laugh, those lovely rusted guns are probably for training. I remember the Ukrainian militia trained with wooden guns earlier this year too.
|
|
#
?
Sep 24, 2022 10:29
|
|
|
The Western Response: More sanctions, isolation if Putin carries out thinly veiled threats How serious does this sound compared to the initial escalations we saw in feburary when Kiev was invaded? quote:How do American leaders and their allies intend to respond if President Vladimir Putin seeks to escalate his way out of a bad situation on Ukraine’s battlefields, and makes good on renewed threats of annexing territory or even using nuclear weapons? At least to start with, by trying to double down on the same tactics that have helped put Russia in a corner in Ukraine, U.S. and European leaders have made clear: more financial penalties and international isolation for Russia, more arms and other backing for Ukraine. note: this is an op/ed by Ellen Knickmeyer. Please remove if this infringes upon thread rules. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
|
|
#
?
Sep 24, 2022 10:35
|
|
|
James Garfield posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1573521982691414018 Looking at Hitler and Stalin some of their decrees were correct in the time or even correct with the hindsight. It's especially visible with Hitler up to ~1944, when only after the WW2 all the German commanders tripped over each other to dump every possible failure at Hitler's interference. Only way later historians started to show their BS. So it might go one of two ways: Putin will make sure all of armed forces have the same clear objectives, and will get all the available support to achieve them. Or he'll add a layer of confusion, kill all the initiative left in the army and add delay to critical decisions. And since he's surprisingly averse in taking personal blame for failures I'm betting on option 2.
|
|
#
?
Sep 24, 2022 10:37
|
|
|
Bashez posted:https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1573584735544246273 How does this even happen? You put a gun in cosmoline and it should be just fine?
|
|
#
?
Sep 24, 2022 10:38
|
|
|
Dreissi posted:How does this even happen? You put a gun in cosmoline and it should be just fine? Going to assume that cosmoline can get skimmed for profits just like scrap metal. "For training only" isn't much of a reassurance, since this implies that their storage logistics is so bad that even corrupt officers couldn't do basic storage for something that could easily be sold to arms dealers.
|
|
#
?
Sep 24, 2022 10:48
|
|
|
Dreissi posted:How does this even happen? You put a gun in cosmoline and it should be just fine? The money allocated for it was spent on a mega yacht instead
|
|
#
?
Sep 24, 2022 10:48
|
|
|
Just Another Lurker posted:Are those weapons just meant for their two week "training" or do they get deployed to their units with them, i could see training guns being that janky but taking that to the front is scary. I don't know. You would think they're training weapons because storing small arms isn't nearly as hard as vehicles. Just dunk them in cosmoline and they're good for basically forever. But given Russia's track record so far, who knows?
|
|
#
?
Sep 24, 2022 10:52
|
|
|
Grouchio posted:The Western Response: More sanctions, isolation if Putin carries out thinly veiled threats Seems about the same. I remember Putin threatening nukes if the west intervened in his war, and someone high up in the EU or NATO stated that fallout from a nuclear strike blowing into a EU/NATO country would be considered an attack on their territory. Nuke threats dropped off pretty quick after that.
|
|
#
?
Sep 24, 2022 11:02
|
|
|
Det_no posted:Much as I'd like to point to Russia and laugh, those lovely rusted guns are probably for training. I remember the Ukrainian militia trained with wooden guns earlier this year too. The Germans were training with wooden guns not that long ago, because a certain unpopular and widely-considered-serially-incompetent defence minister at the time totally gutted military spending. You'd be surprised how many countries totally neglect their militaries during peacetime. One of the very very small number of things Trump had a point about.
|
|
#
?
Sep 24, 2022 11:11
|
|
|
PerilPastry posted:This struck me as an amazing contrast. Seems to me Kadyrov is leveraging the situation to poo poo on a key part of Putin's base to heighten his own public profile? kadyrov is not unambitious and he's probably reading the writing on the wall of public opinion wrt mobilization.. In particular he seems to be throwing his lot in with the military-nationalists more and more lately, though that's not an entirely new development as he's been echoing them increasingly ever since the Kiev axis collapsed. Now that Putin has effectively been handed 2 catastrophic defeats in Ukraine (arguably 3 insofar as Putin's commanders wanted to withdraw from Kherson but he insisted that they stay and fight in that hosed up situation) he's more aware than literally anyone that Putin is both fallible and also pretty poo poo at anything military. If Putin was good at running military operations he wouldn't have spent the last 20 years financing Kadyrov's state in exchange for peace. Still, it is decidedly peculiar.
|
|
#
?
Sep 24, 2022 11:33
|
|
|
Big K probably reckons he has a chance to come out of this better, with a real job in the centre not just some dude from the periphery. He’s probably right, so long as he doesn’t get too ambitious.
|
|
#
?
Sep 24, 2022 11:52
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 5, 2024 19:02 |
|
|
Beefeater1980 posted:Big K probably reckons he has a chance to come out of this better, with a real job in the centre not just some dude from the periphery. He’s probably right, so long as he doesn’t get too ambitious. Minister of Defence under President Shoigu?
|
|
#
?
Sep 24, 2022 11:55
|
|
