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Boris Galerkin posted:Can someone point me to a good explainer for who Kardyrov is? A long article, a podcast, YouTube video don’t care. I know vaguely who he is from absorbing information about him from ITT and also reading through his Wikipedia page but I’m interested in learning more about him and more specifically what he does/did to get into his position and why he’s being supported. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/02/08/putins-dragon I think this was the article were I first ever heard about him.
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Bashez posted:https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1573584735544246273 I saw pics of those guns earlier and it just looked external. But some of those vids show the internals and they're apparently all as rusted as bad INSIDE as they are outside. Which is almost unbelievable but well, Russia. If it was just external rust and the internals were fine they'd actually still shoot. But those guns are super hosed internally too.
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Is the reason that Kadyrov says don all the time because he wants to be the new don of the mafia family running Russia? 
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Sep 24, 2022 16:13
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spankmeister posted:Is the reason that Kadyrov says don all the time because he wants to be the new don of the mafia family running Russia? https://twitter.com/johnlechner1/status/1563188908170522625 https://twitter.com/johnlechner1/status/1563188911978885120 https://twitter.com/johnlechner1/status/1563188920849903617 https://twitter.com/johnlechner1/status/1563188925178339328
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Dons per minute off the charts It was a joke but thanks for the explainer 
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So don = knowwhatI’msayin
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Snowy posted:So don = knowwhatI’msayin Now I can't stop thinking of Kadyrov as a violent, sociopathic Ernest P. Worrell. Knowwutimean, Vern? Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Sep 24, 2022 |
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Sep 24, 2022 16:42
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Snowy posted:So don = knowwhatI’msayin don'cha'know
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I mean, that's the thing about mobilization. It's not just a question of "are these extra soldiers going to help the war effort?" It's also a question of opportunity cost. Every person you toss into the meat grinder was presumably doing some other economically (or in this case, militarily) helpful thing beforehand that won't be happening anymore.
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Snowy posted:So don = knowwhatI’msayin Like Americans use like
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surf rock posted:I mean, that's the thing about mobilization. It's not just a question of "are these extra soldiers going to help the war effort?" It's also a question of opportunity cost. Every person you toss into the meat grinder was presumably doing some other economically (or in this case, militarily) helpful thing beforehand that won't be happening anymore. Smarter governments have lists of "reserved occupations", meaning people whose civilian jobs are far more important to the country than their possible value as conscripts. Russia does not have a smart government.
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What's interesting is even in like, Omsk, assuming the Tweet summary is correct, protesters are telling the cops "come on the bus and die with us in the trenches". So like... ordinary Russians must know that the war is actually pretty high risk to people serving in it, and not a special operation where they're handing out sunflowers to little girls and sacks of flours to their thankful babushkas. Or maybe it's just a generic thing and people are always like that being drafted, since normally people aren't super fond of suddenly being picked up off the street and sent anywhere for 6+ months, even if they were just sending them to a potato peeling cooking camp outside Moscow? I know I almost lost my poo poo when I thought I'd be forced to be stuck under effective house arrest for indefinite weeks/months for COVID, until fortunately Switzerland didn't go all French and Spanish on freedom of movement so I'd probably be berating cops even if I was picked up to go cut lily flowers in a farm outside Zurich all day for six months. E: I guess it does at least mean they don't think they're fighting a righteous holy war, since I doubt there were so many protests for like, WW2 drafting? Or at least not that I ever heard about.
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Saladman posted:What's interesting is even in like, Omsk, assuming the Tweet summary is correct, protesters are telling the cops "come on the bus and die with us in the trenches". So like... ordinary Russians must know that the war is actually pretty high risk to people serving in it, and not a special operation where they're handing out sunflowers to little girls and sacks of flours to their thankful babushkas. The people being mobilized tend to be younger, and the younger people are the more connected they tend to be on the internet, which is much harder to control. Those stories you hear about people in Russia refusing to believe stories of Russian atrocities or that the Ukrainians aren't actually being enslaved by their cruel NATO taskmasters tend to be about older Russians.
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Russians have access to internet and plenty of ways of seeing news, discussion etc from the rest of the world. It's not like China or NK. The people are fully aware of what's going on in Ukraine. They know it's a failing war. That's why the Russian stock market crashed, flights out of Russia sold out, and tens of thousands of men fled straight to the borders. It's just the older demographic that's very naive and ignorant, I daresay brainwashed.
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https://twitter.com/tarasmi/status/1573369348948885505?s=20&t=Su92hZegaWjlM7kf3tXy5g i bet this is giving those jellybeans all kinds of morale boosts (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Smarter governments have lists of "reserved occupations", meaning people whose civilian jobs are far more important to the country than their possible value as conscripts. Russia does not have a smart government. I can only imagine the gigantic shadow industry that's going to crop up around this, with employees begging and paying their bosses to sign the exemption.
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Kith posted:https://twitter.com/tarasmi/status/1573369348948885505?s=20&t=Su92hZegaWjlM7kf3tXy5g I'm not sure that "You are literally a small fry whose destiny is to be eaten" is the morale-boosting message they think it is.
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:Russians have access to internet and plenty of ways of seeing news, discussion etc from the rest of the world. It's not like China or NK. The people are fully aware of what's going on in Ukraine. They know it's a failing war. That's why the Russian stock market crashed, flights out of Russia sold out, and tens of thousands of men fled straight to the borders. I mean, you don't need to always be online to put 2 and 2 together that if the war was actually going well, mobilization wouldn't be a thing.
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Pizdec posted:That's actually what they're doing, according to this, though I can imagine no one on the ground actually knows the specifics. The Russian MoD seems to make up the rules as they go. Yeah, there's going to be a lot of corruption, blackmail and bribery, especially considering that the financial sector is one of the exempted ones.
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Tomn posted:I'm not sure that "You are literally a small fry whose destiny is to be eaten" is the morale-boosting message they think it is. I think the intent is more along the lines of people who were pushing "COVID only has a 1% death rate" to say to people "don't worry, odds are you'll be in the 99%" (while ignoring the ways in which society will be hosed up by either thing)
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BattleMaster posted:I think the intent is more along the lines of people who were pushing "COVID only has a 1% death rate" to say to people "don't worry, odds are you'll be in the 99%" (while ignoring the ways in which society will be hosed up by either thing) What's funny is that the same right-wingers who use this logic to justify ignoring COVID, or promoting a draft, will use the same logic in the other direction when it comes to the things they don't like. I think one of the Trump kids used the "1% are poison" analogy with asylum seekers, for example. There's never any intellectual consistency, there's only their end goals and whatever tortured logic they can use to promote them and achieve them.
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I wonder if someone is sending out tons of draft notices to people in vital sectors. That document seems pretty generic and personal data is easily bought.
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CeeJee posted:I wonder if someone is sending out tons of draft notices to people in vital sectors. That document seems pretty generic and personal data is easily bought. I was thinking the same thing. It would be funny to start sending these to sons of politicians / oligarchs, even if it’s just to give them a brief scare. Until they figure out it’s fake, they can experience what other people are dealing with every day.
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mrfart posted:I was thinking the same thing. It would be funny to start sending these to sons of politicians / oligarchs, even if it’s just to give them a brief scare. Until they figure out it’s fake, they can experience what other people are dealing with every day. There was that thing earlier where someone pranked Peskov's son by calling him and pretending to be a recruiting officer and watching his response basically go "You know who is my father?" I say "prank" but it's honestly pretty good psyops I think to do that kind of thing and then spread the recording on Telegram or whatnot. Hey guys, here's how the elite are responding to the draft, how do you feel about you or your family members getting told they gotta go?
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OAquinas posted:As far as "how they will outfit all the recruits," there's one weird trick, quartermasters hate it! a lot of this stuff is getting confiscated, apparently: https://t.me/RSaponkov/3623 machine translation: 
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Sep 24, 2022 19:29
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People robbing the mobilized people is incredibly on brand for the Russian military.
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I mean, even during the Iraq War there were drives to get armor and weapons accessories to the troops. If it's not standard or you want something better than the standard issued you'll have to procure it yourselves. And at this point the conscript probably can't expect to get even working weapon.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:People robbing the mobilized people is incredibly on brand for the Russian military. Also incredibly predictable. Bringing anything expensive or useful into the glorified criminal gang that is the Russian army is very dumb, someone is just going to take it from you.
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Flavahbeast posted:a lot of this stuff is getting confiscated, apparently: About to post about this myself. https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1573593225952215040?t=6Q-fD9WcNyPmSpvMLelzBw&s=19 Kinda wondering if some enterprising officers put out that post so they could profit off the general mobilization confusion. But it's more likely that it's just the Russian army being the Russian army dedovshching everyone.
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pedro0930 posted:I mean, even during the Iraq War there were drives to get armor and weapons accessories to the troops. If it's not standard or you want something better than the standard issued you'll have to procure it yourselves. And at this point the conscript probably can't expect to get even working weapon. Yes, and it was lovely then, too. #askme about uniforms that ripped within days in garrison before we even got on the planes. I do find it ironic that older Russians seem more inclined to trust the state. Do they not remember the USSR, and the internal jokes about Pravda?
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I just think they're in such deep denial, it would be too uncomfortable to deal with the cognitive dissonance.
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Ynglaur posted:Yes, and it was lovely then, too. #askme about uniforms that ripped within days in garrison before we even got on the planes. Shouldn't be surprising, they remember the days of the empire and want to go back to that. Rose tinted glasses, awful current situation, plus a shitload of propaganda both before and after the fall.
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https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1573711929499160576 On one hand the LPR probably got worse gear than the Russian army in general use, on the other hand all the pictures of Russian supply catches coupled with the pictures from the newly mobilized troops.
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Ynglaur posted:Yes, and it was lovely then, too. #askme about uniforms that ripped within days in garrison before we even got on the planes. They do, but they also have literal PTSD from the 90s, no foreign language skills or digital literacy, nostalgia for a Russian empire, and complete dependence on government handouts for survival, due to crushing poverty most Russian pensioners live in. In addition to simply being in the twilight years of their cognitive ability, worn down by onslaught of propaganda at all times other than the decade of the 90s.
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Things seem to be going swimmingly with the mobilization https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1573657939352723456?t=r7bYaUT_3QSy2D-rcyuK8A&s=19 Also, Kyiv Independent, so grain of salt, but I guess we need to be on the lookout for news of martial law in Russia.https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1573744702419046404?t=-B-mWmMhd7ilZL_EJpAh3g&s=19
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Young Freud posted:Kinda wondering if some enterprising officers put out that post so they could profit off the general mobilization confusion. But it's more likely that it's just the Russian army being the Russian army dedovshching everyone. edit - Warbadger posted:Shouldn't be surprising, they remember the days of the empire and want to go back to that. Rose tinted glasses, awful current situation, plus a shitload of propaganda both before and after the fall. Pizdec fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Sep 24, 2022 |
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