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Optimism and a healthy mutual support structure go a long way towards improving one's quality of life, yes. Lack of trust and communication are what bring about people's downfall.
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Sep 26, 2022 19:46
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Becca is cool, any concern trolling about her is whack. She has a small frame but her voice, personality, and mannerisms are pretty obviously an adult. Her proportions are pretty reasonable for a short adult woman. The internet gets overly defensive about depictions of short women sometimes Becca and Lucy have awesome designs. Feels like Nia, Panty & Stocking, and Promare boy all synthesized into cyberpunk aesthetics
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Sep 26, 2022 19:59
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I'm so glad they didn't go the "Harley Quinn but brattier" route with her.
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Sep 26, 2022 20:34
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Arc Hammer posted:Optimism and a healthy mutual support structure go a long way towards improving one's quality of life, yes. Lack of trust and communication are what bring about people's downfall. This is actually Pondsmith's explanation for David's high resistance to cyberpsychosis, per comments on reddit
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Sep 26, 2022 21:50
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I have to wonder if cases like Maine or David played a role in why Regina is so focused on finding treatments for cyberpsychosis in 2077, because their connection to other humans helps them snap out of their madness for a time. It is a treatable condition but the effects are cumulative and often a Max-TAC team is a quicker means of ending the problem than tackling the underlying conditions.
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Sep 26, 2022 22:13
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Maybe? But how would Regina have known about them? Or at least the parts where they temporarily snapped out of it
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Sep 26, 2022 22:21
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Flesnolk posted:Maybe? But how would Regina have known about them? Or at least the parts where they temporarily snapped out of it Highly talented fixer and former journalist specialising in cyberware-related stories. Difficult to get that intel, but not impossible for her, and definitely subjects of interest.
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Sep 26, 2022 22:29
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Flesnolk posted:Maybe? But how would Regina have known about them? Or at least the parts where they temporarily snapped out of it She's got an extensive tab on reported cyberpsycho sightings across the city and she's a former journalist. I'd think she'd be able to dig up dirt on a pair of fairly well known mercs after a major attack on Arasaka Tower would have made headlines. Cross reference a cyberpsycho incident against reports of what said Edgerunners were like before going berserk and trying to find the snapping point.
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Sep 26, 2022 22:29
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Darth Walrus posted:Highly talented fixer and former journalist specialising in cyberware-related stories. Difficult to get that intel, but not impossible for her, and definitely subjects of interest. We also know that Falco was in the city and in position to talk to people who had questions about the Martinez incident. Might not be enough for full details, but it would be enough to suggest there's a story. It's also a story to feed her that keeps attention away from Lucy, which would be useful considering how much she had going on. chiasaur11 fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Sep 26, 2022 |
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Sep 26, 2022 22:32
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GreenBuckanneer posted:I just figured they meant it as "petite" not the bad word. Like some people were using moe to mean cute or whatever? Well, yeah. I don’t think the show really says that Kiwi and Lucy are right. Also Lucy has that attitude but her actions show us she doesn’t really believe it herself.
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Sep 27, 2022 00:36
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Oxxidation posted:imo David’s arc isn’t one of triumph but resignation. he could have stopped risking himself long before things got as bad as they did, but fed himself into the city’s meat grinder because he could only think of living for other people’s ambitions - or worse, what he personally believed those ambitions were, ignoring their own opinions on the matter. his delirious ranting on the way to Arasaka shows that no matter how much he built up his rep, he never stopped being that sullen street kid who wanted to make his mother proud Yeah, David in the back half is kind of an odd character, because he just decides to repeat every single one of Maine's mistakes despite Maine's dying words to him being, effectively, "hey kid, don't end up like me". David's most prominent character trait is caring deeply about his loved ones but also completely failing to grasp the actual meaning of everything they're actually saying to him, which ultimately leads to his death. I don't really blame Lucy for distancing herself and trying to solve the Arasaka problem discreetly on her own.
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Sep 27, 2022 02:06
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Lucy wants to believe that attitude but she can't fully accept it because it would mean turning her back on David. So she goes off solo to try and mend things but the irony is that by doing so she just widens the rift. And that's when the city strikes to exploit the solos out there and bring everything down.
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Sep 27, 2022 03:02
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Arc Hammer posted:Lucy wants to believe that attitude but she can't fully accept it because it would mean turning her back on David. So she goes off solo to try and mend things but the irony is that by doing so she just widens the rift. And that's when the city strikes to exploit the solos out there and bring everything down. Lucy's side of the problems comes from not trusting David, I think. She doesn't tell him why she's doing what she's doing because she's afraid it would make him double down. Now, to be fair, it's a reasonable fear, but she never gives him a chance to disprove it, either, and there was a chance that he would have slowed down if he knew the trouble he was causing for her in by keeping a high profile. They both messed up, with the best intentions, and it ended in tragedy. Good stuff.
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Sep 27, 2022 03:26
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poo poo, this was a really good show. The back half reminded me so much of Texhnolyze and Cowboy Bebop. I think Edgerunners is basically a really effective tone piece. The story is pretty fatalistic from the word go, so it's really how things go down that matters more than what goes down. I think one of the ironies about this show for me is that despite being one of the most stylish action anime made in the past 20 years, the ultraviolence is extremely morose and makes the show a real downer. The blood and violence cross a threshold where they're so stylized and over-the-top, they skip being cool and go back to being uncanny and horrific. The effect makes you understand how this exposure to extreme dehumanization is traumatizing everyone in the story. Like for me, the action is mostly horrifying, but the character animations are gorgeous and haunting. The extreme closeups of David's face as he's in shock and crying, or even just the body language when he's watching TV at night with his giant silhouette next to Lucy's. There's something alchemical about the combination of the characters' states of rage/shock/dissociation/despair and the bright neon color palette that washes over everything. It's like the perfect way of expressing the idea of capitalistic burnout. The ending scene is absolutely perfect. anyway if you like this anime you should probably play Citizen Sleeper
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Sep 27, 2022 06:09
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chiasaur11 posted:One thing I saw pointed out? Also I have to hard disagree with this. David died before he was ever born. Rebecca loved him and he got her killed. Lucy loved him and he refused to listen to her. He got trapped in the rat race of the capitalistic hellscape hustle life, only as a mercenary instead of a corpo. At some point after Maine died, David decided to commit a slow suicide by addiction. He's basically the epitome of "How to slowly kill yourself and others in America."
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Sep 27, 2022 06:47
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Cephas posted:Also I have to hard disagree with this. David died before he was ever born. Rebecca loved him and he got her killed. Lucy loved him and he refused to listen to her. He got trapped in the rat race of the capitalistic hellscape hustle life, only as a mercenary instead of a corpo. At some point after Maine died, David decided to commit a slow suicide by addiction. He's basically the epitome of "How to slowly kill yourself and others in America." Rebecca knew what she was getting into. Even if she wasn't killed on that job, she was a runner and that's seldom a profession with a good retirement plan. David wanted to save Lucy, she wanted to help David, and that meant she knew she was going in for near certain death. Similarly, David should have taken Lucy's advice, but she wasn't doing herself any favors in convincing him by keeping massive amounts of secrets about what she was doing. Sure, maybe David would have done something stupid with the information (it's not exactly a longshot bet) but her not trusting him was one of the things that left him so self-destructive. David made a lot of terrible decisions, but he wasn't alone in that and he didn't force his crew into joining in. That was their decision, operating with better understanding than David had (since, you know, they weren't running three inches from going cyberpsycho), and it was down to them to decide if it was worth the price. He did some good (saving the hostages from Maelstrom was about as clean as runs get) and he did some bad (killing that tech is the standout there) but in the end, he got Lucy out, and left her better off than when they met. There were much worse endings for him.
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Sep 27, 2022 07:50
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Plus it seems like half the conversations in the show stress that if you become an edgerunner you end up either dead or wishing you were, eventually
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Sep 27, 2022 07:52
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lol
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Sep 27, 2022 11:21
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I get all the "what is the lesson, here?" talk but this is basically a quintessential Cyberpunk story, both in the genre and the specific setting. The house always wins; if you as a normal-ish person want to win (live a mostly happy, fulfilling life) you need to find or create your own space and fight for it. Save your friends, save your family, save your hood. There is no one person who can save the world, and if you somehow take down a corporation there's another waiting to slither into it's place. This is a setting where someone was actually good enough to completely break the original internet and completely obliterate a bunch of megacorps and the end result was *it made it even worse*. Another guy literally blows up Arasaka tower with tactical nukes 50 years before the anime and there it is again, waiting for David to climb it, like it was never gone. David clearly cares for people but he couldn't reconcile having a vision for a life where he could find a safe-ish spot on that edge to live with his friends, or set a goal to leave the life. The thing is though is going out the way he did is quite literally the stated goal of a lot of runners; as in, knowingly rushing to your death with the intent of leaving the biggest most badass most memorable mark on the world you can is something a not insignificant amount of people in this setting believe is 100% worth it. Life is poo poo- it doesn't matter when you're alive and you vanish from existence when you die there, so proving you existed by throwing your biggest punch at the gods and having people tell stories about it forever, and getting a drink named after you? That's worth it to people. I don't think that was what David was going for but it's what he got in the end and that's not nothing.
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Sep 27, 2022 11:56
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I knew this was gonna end in tragedy, god damnit.
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Sep 27, 2022 13:39
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Cephas posted:Becca is cool, any concern trolling about her is whack. She has a small frame but her voice, personality, and mannerisms are pretty obviously an adult. Her proportions are pretty reasonable for a short adult woman. The internet gets overly defensive about depictions of short women sometimes short goomba bitch gets goomba stomepd
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Sep 27, 2022 21:27
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I AM BRAWW posted:short choomba bitch gets choomba stomepd
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Sep 27, 2022 22:50
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I watched a Lucy build video and reinstalled lol, it looks so fun. IDK if I'll actually pull the trigger tho
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Sep 27, 2022 22:53
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lmao
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Sep 27, 2022 22:55
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Daikatana Ritsu posted:I watched a Lucy build video and reinstalled lol, it looks so fun. IDK if I'll actually pull the trigger tho I felt the urge but my gaming time is limited so I'm waiting until the DLC/expansion. At least the game is in a good state now to get back into.
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Sep 27, 2022 22:56
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Finished my rewatch, this time with the dub. Very good still, although I feel like Giancarlo Esposito wasn't given particularly good voice direction, there were a bunch of lines that just didn't feel like his usual quality, IDK. That and Maine's scenes in ep 6 were the only spots I thought the dub was weak on though.
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Sep 27, 2022 23:27
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Yeah Giancarlo feels kinda weak in his direction. Apart from his Far Cry stuff I don't think he's done a lot of voice work.
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Sep 27, 2022 23:28
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Faraday sounding slightly inhuman did work reasonably well for him as a character, though.
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Sep 27, 2022 23:47
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Ibram Gaunt posted:Finished my rewatch, this time with the dub. Very good still, although I feel like Giancarlo Esposito wasn't given particularly good voice direction, there were a bunch of lines that just didn't feel like his usual quality, IDK. That and Maine's scenes in ep 6 were the only spots I thought the dub was weak on though. he really over-enunciated did far cry 6 use facial/motion capture? i get the feeling he wasn't comfortable acting without some kind of physical component
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Oxxidation posted:did far cry 6 use facial/motion capture? i get the feeling he wasn't comfortable acting without some kind of physical component FC6 did. In Edgerunners I could never shake the feeling that he was reading the script for the first time.
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Sep 28, 2022 00:10
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Arc Hammer posted:Yeah Giancarlo feels kinda weak in his direction. Apart from his Far Cry stuff I don't think he's done a lot of voice work. I could listen to that man repeat the word 'Cyber-skeleton' ever waking minute until my death. It is so charmingly ridiculous.
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Sep 28, 2022 00:13
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I found Esposito's performance more distracting than anything
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I AM BRAWW posted:I felt the urge but my gaming time is limited so I'm waiting until the DLC/expansion. At least the game is in a good state now to get back into. Nice avatar, Choom
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Sep 28, 2022 01:57
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finished the anime and now I have the game all patched and ready to go but I'm listening to the song from Maine's episode on repeat for a while lol. idk if it's from the game but it's loving incredible either way. https://youtu.be/SopAhl_mSAk
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Sep 28, 2022 03:32
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Larry Parrish posted:finished the anime and now I have the game all patched and ready to go but I'm listening to the song from Maine's episode on repeat for a while lol. idk if it's from the game but it's loving incredible either way. It's such a good song. Love when they play it in the final ep too
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I AM BRAWW posted:I felt the urge but my gaming time is limited so I'm waiting until the DLC/expansion. At least the game is in a good state now to get back into. This is pretty much the only thing stopping me, and Xenoblade 3 being the longest game with the most stuff to do, ever https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JILxefP5Ik&t=13s this looks so awesome!! i never messed w/quickhacks at all the first time around Daikatana Ritsu fucked around with this message at 03:52 on Sep 28, 2022 |
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Sep 28, 2022 03:48
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my V was walking through a highway underpass, minding her own business, when two gangsters discussing shady business nearby pulled guns and told me to gently caress off i glanced at them and they both fell over from seizures quickhacks aren't the most hands-on way to play the game but they're a real power trip once they get going
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Sep 28, 2022 03:56
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I found Rebecca's shotgun. It's fun. 
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I am glad that this anime helped people realize cyberpunk is a good video game
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SirSamVimes posted:I am glad that this anime helped people realize cyberpunk is a good video game Same. I get why it had a bad rep, if I bought a AAA game and it straight didn't run on the system I bought it for, I'd be loving pissed. Ps4/Xbox users were a huge part of that marketshare and they basically all got hosed over. Me, I played it on a relative potato PC, and while the graphics had to be cranked down to get it to run even moderately smoothly, it was one of the best gaming experiences I've had. In particular, the conversation with Skye in the midgame (Spoilers for early game plot in the clip) is one of the most impactful quest dialogues I've ever seen in a game. V heads to what is portrayed as a sex worker and end up having a thoughtful, meaningful conversation about death. About how she is afraid not only just of leaving the world without a mark, but about how she is actually scared of dying. It is something that I don't think I've ever seen a videogame like this handle, and then at the end of it you say a safeword, the 'doll' snaps out of her trance and this quiet, intimate moment is flooded with light and fear. I had to get up and walk away from the PC because it was that effective. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p92kjVBL0Q
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