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There is almost nothing back home worth saving to them. Dominicus is capital D Dead and a breeding ground for malicious evil that kills even more planets. Whats a few million necromantic asses compared to trillions in the greater galaxy?
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sebmojo posted:She just really likes hot sauce https://twitter.com/ellieight_/status/1575964618081521664
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M_Gargantua posted:There is almost nothing back home worth saving to them. Dominicus is capital D Dead and a breeding ground for malicious evil that kills even more planets. Whats a few million necromantic asses compared to trillions in the greater galaxy? Honestly if you're at the point where you're weighing the value of genocides you've kind of gotten off track. The series doesn't seem like a "we must overthrow the evil sorcerer no matter the cost" so much as "how can we fix/mitigate this one guy's really bad decision?"
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Everyone posted:Honestly if you're at the point where you're weighing the value of genocides you've kind of gotten off track. Plus for some people an element of, "Sure the cost is terrible but he hurt me personally so gently caress it," that I got out of the Lyctors realizing there could've been a better lyctorhood where they didn't destroy their best beloved, among other issues they have with Jod. Or at least that's how I read certain motivations in HtN, though it's been a while.
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Yeah I don't get the sense that any of the Lyctors' beefs with Jod are anything more than personal conflicts of people living together for 10000 years with everyone else in their lives dying like mayflies.
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The Lyctors are basically gods who have been living together for 10,000 years and loving hate each other. Harrow and Ianthe are the first people to join their group in that long and they’re both maladjusted weirdos. Nobody here is thinking straight.
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Danhenge posted:Yeah I don't get the sense that any of the Lyctors' beefs with Jod are anything more than personal conflicts of people living together for 10000 years with everyone else in their lives dying like mayflies. Basically, it seemed like while Augustine and Mercymorn had never fully gotten over what they did to become Lyctors, a lot of it, especially from Mercymorn seemed like sheer accumulated irritation. "He ate peanuts at a military briefing. Again. He must die and if that murders millions of others, that is a price I'm willing to pay because John is just that annoying!"
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Oct 1, 2022 19:02
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Didn't they mention that they actually had a larger plan that involved evacuating the Houses, and Mercymorn jumped the gun as a result of a combination of shocking revelations and getting the best shot she was likely to get in a thousand years?
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Rand Brittain posted:Didn't they mention that they actually had a larger plan that involved evacuating the Houses, and Mercymorn jumped the gun as a result of a combination of shocking revelations and getting the best shot she was likely to get in a thousand years? They did, but I kind of got the impression that the evacuation "plan" was more to make themselves feel better than something they were actually going to do.
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Yeah. How long had they been plotting? I couldn't quite figure that out...
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silvergoose posted:Yeah. How long had they been plotting? I couldn't quite figure that out... A goodly long time but nothing really specific. According to John in HtN Mercy must have trained for "thousands of years" to do the thing that temporarily killed him. Meanwhile, Augustine said that the orgy/threesome that got them the sperm that eventually produced Gideon Nav had been planned for five hundred years.
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Everyone posted:Basically, it seemed like while Augustine and Mercymorn had never fully gotten over what they did to become Lyctors, a lot of it, especially from Mercymorn seemed like sheer accumulated irritation. "He ate peanuts at a military briefing. Again. He must die and if that murders millions of others, that is a price I'm willing to pay because John is just that annoying!" Take a look at Biosphere 2 or any of the stories of Russian scientists in the Arctic stabbing each other over chess games if you want real-life examples of isolation and free time driving rational people loving insane.
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M_Gargantua posted:There is almost nothing back home worth saving to them. Dominicus is capital D Dead and a breeding ground for malicious evil that kills even more planets. Whats a few million necromantic asses compared to trillions in the greater galaxy? At the end of Harrow, Gideon has overheard: (1) John lied about Alecto not being his cavalier (2) John lied about there not being a way to Lyctorify without eating the cavalier (3) John lied about being vulnerable to resurrection beasts (4) John had original recipe Gideon kick Harrow around to try to fix her (1) and (3) don't seem like things she'd care about at all. Augustine and Mercy are motivated by (2), but it doesn't seem that big for Gideon because she didn't get misled into anything. Gideon would have eaten a fence to save Harrow even if she knew there was a theoretically better Lyctor method out there, and without a threat to Harrow they wouldn't have done anything. (4) she's pissed about at the time of hearing it, but not that much and not rising to "kill everybody back in the houses, including the assholes in the Ninth (that Harrow cares about)". But her thoughts on Ianthe saving John are: Gideonvoice in Harrow the Ninth posted:Which was Tridentatrius all over. She got one choice, and not only did she blow it, but she blew it in such a huge loving spectacular way that you would've been impressed had you not hated her for it. Ianthe, throwing in her lot with the guy who has lied to everyone about everything. Ianthe, backstabbing her own cavalier all over again. Ianthe, with the world in the balance, reaching her hand out and pressing down on the weight marked BAD.
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Foxfire_ posted:But her thoughts on Ianthe saving John are: It especially doesn't make a lot of sense given that the next time we meet Gideon Nav in Nona she's introducing herself as Prince Kiriona Gaia, Heir to the Emperor Undying + a bunch of other fancified titles. Beyond that there the whole If John Dies at the End, it's the end everybody in the Nine House system. I can buy Mercymore and Augustine as the kind of petty bitches that ultimately don't care about that, but Gideon seems to not be like that.
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Everyone posted:It especially doesn't make a lot of sense given that the next time we meet Gideon Nav in Nona she's introducing herself as Prince Kiriona Gaia, Heir to the Emperor Undying + a bunch of other fancified titles. It's almost like Kiriona is not exactly Gideon anymore, and even has a different name to demarcate it. She's just the fries and the toy left in the box; the cheeseburger's still in Harrow and we can only speculate as to its status. Edit: Bonus content 
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I was just thinking thatthere's something weird going on with souls vs bodies as the seat of consciousness. Harrow subverts the Lyctor process by doing something to her brain, not her soul. But Lyctors eat the soul to gain memories, and Palamedes continued to exist as a disembodied soul This might just be an oversight, not sure, but it also might point to an answer re: the apparent contradiction. Jod may have adjusted Gideon's brain just enough to make her tractable without changing her completely.
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Harrow damages her brain's ability to remember Gideon. Like how antibodies have to remember a virus's code, Harrow can't digest Gideon if she doesn't have the right enzymes.
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Ok but did her soul also forget Gideon?
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Danhenge posted:Ok but did her soul also forget Gideon? Depends, is the soul part of the brain? If you know the answer to this, are you actually her editor or something
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DoctorWhat posted:Harrow damages her brain's ability to remember Gideon. Like how antibodies have to remember a virus's code, Harrow can't digest Gideon if she doesn't have the right enzymes. Harrow's eyes are black when Alecto revives her, she bleeds all over the place and passes out from six months of eating rocks and pen caps. You're probably right.
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I found out today that my wife is convinced that Ianthe and Corona are not identical twins. The idea that they aren't has never even crossed my mind, and it seems like nothing in the text comes out and says it though it seems sort of necessary to me for thematic reasons?
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Anode posted:I found out today that my wife is convinced that Ianthe and Corona are not identical twins. The idea that they aren't has never even crossed my mind, and it seems like nothing in the text comes out and says it though it seems sort of necessary to me for thematic reasons? Hair color is different?
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Anode posted:I found out today that my wife is convinced that Ianthe and Corona are not identical twins. The idea that they aren't has never even crossed my mind, and it seems like nothing in the text comes out and says it though it seems sort of necessary to me for thematic reasons? Even their first appearance makes a lot of how they are basically identical except Corona is somehow wildly more radiant while Ianthe looks drained of all vitality and presence. The line goes, "It was as though the second girl were the starved shadow of the first, or the first an illuminated reflection." I don't think much of their descriptions in relation to each other would make sense if they weren't identical.
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disposablewords posted:Even their first appearance makes a lot of how they are basically identical except Corona is somehow wildly more radiant while Ianthe looks drained of all vitality and presence. The line goes, "It was as though the second girl were the starved shadow of the first, or the first an illuminated reflection." I don't think much of their descriptions in relation to each other would make sense if they weren't identical. I had always thought they were fraternal but now I'm realizing I had no reason to think that.
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Everyone posted:Basically, it seemed like while Augustine and Mercymorn had never fully gotten over what they did to become Lyctors, a lot of it, especially from Mercymorn seemed like sheer accumulated irritation. "He ate peanuts at a military briefing. Again. He must die and if that murders millions of others, that is a price I'm willing to pay because John is just that annoying!" She always reminds me of the cat Miette. The Emperor KICKS Mercy?! Jail!! Jail for Emperor for One Thousand Years!!!!!
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Harold Fjord posted:Hair color is different? I figured this was foreshadowing for the effect of necromancy.
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Yeah I imagined Ianthe with dark hair but probably it's more white
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Peter Jackson's Locked Tomb: One Flesh, One Ent
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Looks like upholstery's back on the menu
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it promised it wouldn't do anything weird and it did weird stuff and made nona mad and scared!! that's wrong!!!
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One of my favorite things about the locked tomb series is that Tamsyn's characters all seem to have kind of manifested similarly in everyone's minds? Some of that is the fan art echo chamber (a good echo chamber!), but I remember even when Harrow came out, I'd look at tomb twitter and be like "drat those fan artists captured these characters EXACTLY how I imagined them."
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yeah ianthe specifically gets portrayed more accurately than my minds eye did lol
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Muir is really really really really good at evocative visual descriptions. Look a' tha boooooones
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Eat me, milk man.
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John is the only one with different interpretations, I feel. I even saw imagined him completely differently in Harrow and in Nona.
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I feel like there's a lot of variation with how people draw Abigail and Magnus, but no matter how people draw them they are still recognizably Abigail and Magnus. I also think the Fourth teens vary depending on the artist. I always imagine Teacher at Canan House as the old man scientist from Paprika, so I'm always kind of interested to see how people draw him
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For me Teacher is an SNES sprite out of Chrono trigger with the hunchback.
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The teacher gives me all the vibes of the defect from slay the spire
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Palamedes is 100% Milo Thatch in my head. I can't change it no matter how hard I try
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