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Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

theyre thinking of farming like harvest moon

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The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013


I commute by bike!
and yet none of them copy the part where you impress the women by spending six hours in a wine cellar to train up your alcohol tolerance

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

The Colonel posted:

and yet none of them copy the part where you impress the women by spending six hours in a wine cellar to train up your alcohol tolerance

none of them copy the part where you show a girl your dog over and over

SatoshiMiwa
May 6, 2007


When will farming isekai give us the true villain, Tom Nook?

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013


I commute by bike!
tom nook's kinda soft to be a villain i'm not sure how much tension there'd be with no time limits or anything to worry about

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



The Colonel posted:

tom nook's kinda soft to be a villain i'm not sure how much tension there'd be with no time limits or anything to worry about

Yeah, Tom Nook's a good guy who acts the villain to help people learn valuable life lessons in a safe environment.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Larry Parrish posted:

yeah there's a reason everyone always had like 7 kids. but the mass migrations had less to do with the labor involved (although it's still very intense to this day, even on a heavily mechanized farm) and more with property rights. would you want to live at your parents house forever as basically unpaid labor? the other option is to divide up the property over time which is how you end up with farms too small to actually survive off of. at least in the countries which didn't practice serfdom

its because people love to gently caress, op

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

not much to do on a farm but gently caress frankly

DeadFatDuckFat
Oct 29, 2012

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I learned from steinbeck that they're all full of piss and vinegar

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Endorph posted:

not much to do on a farm but gently caress frankly

Plant the crops, gently caress the crops. It's called fertilisation for a reason.

SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013

Silver Spoon is a cool farming anime that has a pretty grounded understanding of agricultural work. No dragons though.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

SyntheticPolygon posted:

Silver Spoon is a cool farming anime that has a pretty grounded understanding of agricultural work. No dragons though.

The ending where the city boy becomes an international farming equipment salesman or w.e. is funny to me. The Middle Path...

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

SyntheticPolygon posted:

Silver Spoon is a cool farming anime that has a pretty grounded understanding of agricultural work. No dragons though.

But do they gently caress in it?

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

chiasaur11 posted:

Yeah, Tom Nook's a good guy who acts the villain to help people learn valuable life lessons in a safe environment.

Tom Nook gives you a house on an interest-free mortgage that you're free to pay at your own pace or not at all

Tom Nook is the solution to the housing crisis

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



chumbler posted:

But do they gently caress in it?

No-one in Silver Spoon fucks inside a dragon at any point.

SexyBlindfold
Apr 24, 2008
i dont care how much probation i get capital letters are for squares hehe im so laid back an nice please read my low effort shitposts about the arab spring

thanxs!!!
is there any farm-themed anime or manga (isekai or otherwise) that goes into that hardcore poo poo like milpas or terra preta or three sisters plots or are they all like "uwaa so many parsnips"

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

SexyBlindfold posted:

is there any farm-themed anime or manga (isekai or otherwise) that goes into that hardcore poo poo like milpas or terra preta or three sisters plots or are they all like "uwaa so many parsnips"
*bravely* vinland saga

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

I love when isekai pretends that normal everyday people who spent all their time gaming can somehow remember poo poo like crop rotation and irrigation in enough detail to implement it.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

im pretty sure half the people in real life implementing crop rotation and irrigation right now could not remember the process in enough detail to explain it to an orc or whatever. like my dad makes trucks but i dont think he could get isekai'd and invent the automobile.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
i can still remember the black powder recipe but do I remember how to actually grind it without making flash powder and killing myself with static electricity? nope lol

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Endorph posted:

im pretty sure half the people in real life implementing crop rotation and irrigation right now could not remember the process in enough detail to explain it to an orc or whatever. like my dad makes trucks but i dont think he could get isekai'd and invent the automobile.

endorph's dad facilitating the isekai process

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Namtab posted:

endorph's dad facilitating the isekai process

by trucks i mean 18 wheelers not pick-ups/flatbeds. tho im not sure if japan has many 18 wheelers.

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

Endorph's dad is friends with Optimus Prime :allears:

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

making sure the lorry gets the job done

Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeey


Endorph posted:

by trucks i mean 18 wheelers not pick-ups/flatbeds. tho im not sure if japan has many 18 wheelers.

They have some but just for heavy goods. They prefer light trucks though because they're easier to manage with Japan's tight roads.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



Endorph posted:

im pretty sure half the people in real life implementing crop rotation and irrigation right now could not remember the process in enough detail to explain it to an orc or whatever. like my dad makes trucks but i dont think he could get isekai'd and invent the automobile.

Crop rotation is simple enough in principle that I think it could be passed on, even if not as well. You'd just need to have a sequence and the idea that soil does best if it has time to rest and recover from high drain harvests. (You had a simpler form of it in Biblical times, even, with years set aside for fields to lie fallow)

To dramatically oversimplify things, for an isekai world you have pet-flap knowledge and garage door knowledge. One set of information is things that, once you know they're possible, are simple, like putting a pet flap on a door. It's brilliant if you came up with them for the first time, but they require no specialist knowledge to pass on.

Electric garage doors, meanwhile, are things that most of us know about, but that we couldn't explain the mechanics from the ground up with a gun to our collective heads.

The average isekai, of course, doesn't even make that much distinction, but I suspect a random modern person sent back to the 500s would have oceans of relevant, useful knowledge that they'd die without even realizing they could use because it's "obvious" while the things they'd think they could pass on depend massively on social and physical infrastructure that didn't exist yet.

Supremezero
Apr 28, 2013

hay gurl
Don't isekai a farmer

Isekai an agriculture major.

And then make them a farmer.

sb hermit
Dec 13, 2016





somewhere out there, there's an isekai universe that hasn't discovered calculus and a peasant scholar who knows how to take my rudimentary knowledge and weaponize it to exterminate the brutal ruling caste whose claim to power is the exclusive use of magic and the suppression of science.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

If you wanted to do the biggest bang for your anachronistic-knowledge-an-average-person-might-have-in-an-isekai buck, you'd probably go with proper sewage systems and indoor plumbing (easy to implement and explain) and germ theory of disease, though you'd have to figure out how to sell that to people who don't have microscopes. Electrification would be on a similar tier but would need significantly more infrastructure and knowledge. Also not using lead for anything.

I recall reading some of an isekai manga where the protagonist was originally a middle aged worker in a rural community home center, so it was at least reasonably plausible that he'd have sufficient surveying, construction, engineering, and trade knowledge for town building stuff, with of course the usual convenience magic.

chumbler fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Oct 3, 2022

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



sb hermit posted:

somewhere out there, there's an isekai universe that hasn't discovered calculus and a peasant scholar who knows how to take my rudimentary knowledge and weaponize it to exterminate the brutal ruling caste whose claim to power is the exclusive use of magic and the suppression of science.

Talk of calculus in a fantasy setting always reminds me that there's a Fire Emblem character who is aware of it, despite most Fire Emblems existing in a pre-gunpowder society.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

chiasaur11 posted:

Crop rotation is simple enough in principle that I think it could be passed on, even if not as well. You'd just need to have a sequence and the idea that soil does best if it has time to rest and recover from high drain harvests. (You had a simpler form of it in Biblical times, even, with years set aside for fields to lie fallow)

To dramatically oversimplify things, for an isekai world you have pet-flap knowledge and garage door knowledge. One set of information is things that, once you know they're possible, are simple, like putting a pet flap on a door. It's brilliant if you came up with them for the first time, but they require no specialist knowledge to pass on.

Electric garage doors, meanwhile, are things that most of us know about, but that we couldn't explain the mechanics from the ground up with a gun to our collective heads.

The average isekai, of course, doesn't even make that much distinction, but I suspect a random modern person sent back to the 500s would have oceans of relevant, useful knowledge that they'd die without even realizing they could use because it's "obvious" while the things they'd think they could pass on depend massively on social and physical infrastructure that didn't exist yet.

Yeah one of the running themes in Ascendance of a Bookworm is that the Isekai'd character often has big gaps in her knowledge about modern production techniques and sometimes has to track down craftspeople who are clever enough to experiment and figure out the missing steps

I Am Fowl
Mar 8, 2008

nononononono
Though having a solid grasp of the fundamentals of math does also help her to a surprising degree.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

chumbler posted:

If you wanted to do the biggest bang for your anachronistic-knowledge-an-average-person-might-have-in-an-isekai buck, you'd probably go with proper sewage systems and indoor plumbing (easy to implement and explain) and germ theory of disease, though you'd have to figure out how to sell that to people who don't have microscopes. Electrification would be on a similar tier but would need significantly more infrastructure and knowledge. Also not using lead for anything.

I recall reading some of an isekai manga where the protagonist was originally a middle aged worker in a rural community home center, so it was at least reasonably plausible that he'd have sufficient surveying, construction, engineering, and trade knowledge for town building stuff, with of course the usual convenience magic.

Louis Pasteur had a lot of good experiments that he used to disprove spontaneous generation back in the day lol. like pasteurizing milk in a glass jar versus just sealing it in

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.

chiasaur11 posted:

Crop rotation is simple enough in principle that I think it could be passed on, even if not as well. You'd just need to have a sequence and the idea that soil does best if it has time to rest and recover from high drain harvests. (You had a simpler form of it in Biblical times, even, with years set aside for fields to lie fallow)

To dramatically oversimplify things, for an isekai world you have pet-flap knowledge and garage door knowledge. One set of information is things that, once you know they're possible, are simple, like putting a pet flap on a door. It's brilliant if you came up with them for the first time, but they require no specialist knowledge to pass on.

Electric garage doors, meanwhile, are things that most of us know about, but that we couldn't explain the mechanics from the ground up with a gun to our collective heads.

The average isekai, of course, doesn't even make that much distinction, but I suspect a random modern person sent back to the 500s would have oceans of relevant, useful knowledge that they'd die without even realizing they could use because it's "obvious" while the things they'd think they could pass on depend massively on social and physical infrastructure that didn't exist yet.

"Wash your hands more often" is probably the most helpful, yet easy-to-implement modern technology.

A garage door is just a motor, which means all you need to do is invent electricity, which I'm pretty sure is just spinning magnets on one end of a wire to make a magnet on the other end spin too. Of course then you need advanced metalworking to make the wires. Also a garage door would be totally pointless without widespread electrical infrastructure; if you have to turn a crank anyway you might as well skip the electricity part.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant
You're going to need some metalworking if you made a modern garage door, since they use springs. If you use the 1980s arm springs then you might kill people. The newer tension springs at the top of the door are much less likely to hurt you.

Though I guess you could also make a counterweight system instead of tensioned springs somehow.

Rudoku
Jun 15, 2003

Damn I need a drink...


Namtab posted:

Plant the crops, gently caress the crops. It's called fertilisation for a reason.

You're getting ready for "The Hero is Dead", eh?

Brutal Garcon
Nov 2, 2014



gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

i've read the manga, which is very short. it wasn't really bad, but it lacked any outstanding qualities.

Same, but I'm just glad more of the, uh, bakarinoid isekai seem to be getting adaptations

SatoshiMiwa
May 6, 2007


I'm just hoping that Magical Revolution of the Reincarnated Princess is good and that Executioner did well enough/Lycoris Recoli hitting it big means someone will look at doing at least the first 2 books of I Prefer the Villainess as anime

Space Flower
Sep 10, 2014

by Games Forum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22slVOd2Ki0

let's loving go!!!

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gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
oh my god they look so funny in action i'm dying

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