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Man its 2AM so will post my thoughs on part 5 tomorrow but I gotta ask right loving now uh, what in the actual hell was the deal with those last two episodes and the Rolling Stones?? Wha what??
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Fate is a sleeping slave.
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Oct 7, 2022 00:52
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Bisse posted:Man its 2AM so will post my thoughs on part 5 tomorrow but I gotta ask right loving now uh, what in the actual hell was the deal with those last two episodes and the Rolling Stones?? Wha what?? yeah Rolling Stones was a really weird and unnecessary epilogue imo. I know Fate is a big deal and all, but it still feels like it cheapens Bruno's death to, at the very end, be like "oh yeah this was prophesied all along lol" Could've been more interesting if it was, like, one of the very first things we saw (there's reasons that wouldn't work but still). Knowing Bruno's fated to die from the start wouldn't really change much (jojo teammates die all the time) and would add extra tension any time he's in some poo poo, e.g. vs Diavolo or vs Prosciutto/Pesci. It's not a bad encounter, and is an interesting look at a relatively unique stand, it just feels sudden and tacked on and kind of "why?" I just kinda chalk it up to all of part 5 kinda feeling a little bit chaotic
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Oct 7, 2022 00:57
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Fate is not known to Stay her hand in the Night
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Oct 7, 2022 01:04
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I just find it weird that, after a whole part of protecting Trish, she just fucks off offscreen and we never find out what happens to her in the end.
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Oct 7, 2022 01:32
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:I just find it weird that, after a whole part of protecting Trish, she just fucks off offscreen and we never find out what happens to her in the end. She becomes a popular singer and seemingly keeps in touch with the crew.
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Oct 7, 2022 01:45
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:yeah Rolling Stones was a really weird and unnecessary epilogue imo. I know Fate is a big deal and all, but it still feels like it cheapens Bruno's death to, at the very end, be like "oh yeah this was prophesied all along lol" It would have worked better as a flashback chapter between Bruno getting donutted. You'd see his fated death in the past and assume that it's playing out only to have Bruno push back against fate through force of will zetamind2000 fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Oct 7, 2022 |
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Oct 7, 2022 01:51
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Ooh yeah that'd be a good place for it
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Oct 7, 2022 01:56
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I remember all the theorizing people did before part 5 got animated over how Rolling Stone would get adapted. I remember someone suggesting it might get sprinkled throughout the series, and I thought that maybe that could have worked if done right.
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Oct 7, 2022 02:12
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The Rolling Stones bit is more about recognizing the futility of one's actions while also having the will and drive to fight against the outcome. It gives the option of an easy and calm death rather than the pain and brutality of what will come further down the line. It's similar to Bruno's backstory regarding his choice of which parent to stay with. He would have lived a much easier life if he stayed with his mom but he felt his dad would need him so he chose him. Fate had already decided Bruno would die, but despite all of this Mista didn't give a poo poo and thought it was worth it to keep fighting anyway. Bruno still died but he was allowed the miracle of continued life through Gold Experience until he could finish his objective of defeating Diavolo.No Dignity posted:Equivalent exchange wasn't guiding concept in the original continuity. Crazy Diamond and particularly Golden Wind's powers were all about positive sum games, it was only in SBR Araki really zeroed in on 'you can't get something for nothing' as a main theme Not completely positive sum games, but also the stuff with part 7 and part 8 isn't so much "you can't get something for nothing" and more like "what's gone cannot easily be brought back in the same form without sacrifice." There's a limit to things like Gold Experience and Crazy Diamond and it's no coincidence that that limit is death itself.
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Oct 7, 2022 02:21
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:I just find it weird that, after a whole part of protecting Trish, she just fucks off offscreen and we never find out what happens to her in the end. giorno banishes her from passione because, as is well-known, girls are icky
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Oct 7, 2022 04:03
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Speaking of Part 5 death I still can't take Narancia's seriously because he had to stop and monologue about how much he's going to enjoy continuing to be alive and basically shouting through a megaphone "I'M GOING TO GET KILLED NOW"
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Yinlock posted:Speaking of Part 5 death I still can't take Narancia's seriously because he had to stop and monologue about how much he's going to enjoy continuing to be alive and basically shouting through a megaphone "I'M GOING TO GET KILLED NOW" Lmfao big same
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Poor Narancia Thought of living and died
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Yinlock posted:Speaking of Part 5 death I still can't take Narancia's seriously because he had to stop and monologue about how much he's going to enjoy continuing to be alive and basically shouting through a megaphone "I'M GOING TO GET KILLED NOW" Reminds me of how the episode of Kakyoin dying was preluded by a preview of Kakyoin going "I wonder why I get shivers thinking about how Avdol and Iggy died" and the actual episode having an extended flashback about Kakyoin's childhood that never came up before.
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Yinlock posted:Speaking of Part 5 death I still can't take Narancia's seriously because he had to stop and monologue about how much he's going to enjoy continuing to be alive and basically shouting through a megaphone "I'M GOING TO GET KILLED NOW" He was two days from retirement and learning basic division!
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Oct 7, 2022 04:38
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:Reminds me of how the episode of Kakyoin dying was preluded by a preview of Kakyoin going "I wonder why I get shivers thinking about how Avdol and Iggy died" and the actual episode having an extended flashback about Kakyoin's childhood that never came up before. Kakyoin at least had the excuse of knowing his friends just died and he was likely next if he couldn't figure out what DIO's Stand did, Narancia is just like "GOLLY I SURE DO LOVE NOT HAVING METAL BARS THROUGH MY CHEST" out of nowhere
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Ok so JOJO PART 5!!! It was the wildest ride far, I really loved it in so many ways, the idea is fantastic, the creativity is off the charts, the setting was beautiful and varied, and we're back to travelling around and having a clear plot and objective which I was sorely missing from part 4. But, it was also messy, many dropped plot lines, and things being retconned really quickly (like let's forget about Trish's dinosaur foot print its a softener stand now), but most of all it was missing some character or spirit that I can't quite put my finger on, it felt oddly all-business and at the same time completely disinterested in the actual gangster business. I was missing things like Joseph’s OH NOO, Jotaro’s extreme bluffing and badassing, Okuyasu and his dumb face and comments, silly car chats, etc. And when this part tried to do it it was like ”BREAKING NEWS: SIX GANGSTERS BEAT RANDOM MAN TO NEAR DEATH IN VENICE RESTURANT AND THEN HAVE A LAUGH” Loved: - Doppio and Diavolo were an extremely cool villain / duo, loved every second of he/them on screen grabbing for his 'telephones' - Cool ensemble cast with enjoyable interactions - Wow Li'l Bomber's kill count was through the roof - Too many cool moments to remember all of them, but Banana Gun, 30-second muda, Boat Inside A Boat, Fisherman guy going through an entire character arc in the span of one battle, the entire Risotto vs Doppio battle was just A++ Dream JoJo's, and eeeeeeverything about the final battle from the colisseum and onwards was just a mad man's fever dream, I thought I was in for another cool Dio battle, well we got that and also whatever the hell *waves at everything* that was - Gold Experience had the potential to be a truly broken stand, but it kind of got stealth nerfed by ignoring the 'reflects damage' part of it and instead it became a super creative and flexible stand, I liked it. - The whole deal with Zombie Buccaratti was a really cool mystery, and wow that Gold Experience stand sure is broken huh? - Gold Experience Requiem was. It was. Bonkers. - POLNAREFF!! IT'S MY BESTO FRENCH GIRL!! I hope they had clean bathrooms in Italy! - Naples and Italy felt so alive as a setting. - Fighting Gold besto op, change my mind - As a person with Italian relatives who I often joke about Italian cliches with, I find the names unspeakably hilarious. The Legendary Dark Assassin, Risotto. The Unhinged Mass Murderer, Ciocciolata. etc Vomit: - Another main villain with a time stand?? That is basically just Dio's stand with minor differences and with the Oingo Boingo stand on top? - Stand reuse - although the creativity was through the roof there was some stand rehashing which was kind of odd. Misha has basically Hol Horse's stand, we have another Mirror stand (didn't we say this specific stand was impossible earlier?), and Green Day was basically Purple Haze. - Giorno turned out cool in the end but feels so randomly written. He kept saying he has a dream and then what happened to it? Was his dream just to Kill Some Diavolo and tadaa? And in terms of character he was a wooden plank with a JoJo face drawn on it. - The Ice Skater stand was like fan fiction or something, idk what happened there but felt like they just decided whelp this particular stand is just completely invincible now, have fun! I did NOT understand why his breathing hole was covered when the bullet hit but the pole spike just went through like nothing? - The conclusion to GER vs Diavolo felt very abrupt, infinite deaths was a cool way to end the battle but what actually happened if you ignore the insane JoJo flavor on top, is Arrow Stab -> Muda Muda -> Fall Into River -> "He's dead we win". - What the fuuuuuck kind of ending was the Rolling Stones thing. I wanted to see what happened to the... gangsters... kids with drugs... dream... trish.... *waves at everything again* but instead I was just flabbergasted watching this random rear end thing and kept checking the play time from the final two episodes melting away like... there's gotta be more??? Right??? And then it was like 2 minutes at the end of 'hey let's go save bucarrati' and giorno looking solemnly at the sky and well I just felt like I got robbed of a proper ending. Bisse fucked around with this message at 13:57 on Oct 7, 2022 |
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Bisse posted:like let's forget about Trish's dinosaur foot print its a softener stand now Bisse posted:we have another Mirror stand (didn't we say this specific stand was impossible earlier?) Bisse posted:- Giorno turned out cool in the end but feels so randomly written. He kept saying he has a dream and then what happened to it? Was his dream just to Kill Some Diavolo and tadaa? And in terms of character he was a wooden plank with a JoJo face drawn on it. I do agree with you that part 5 has some great stuff but it's one of the messiest. And Diavolo/Doppio are a great duo!
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I think his dream was vaguely defined and was also multiple things (I like gangsters, I don't like selling drugs to kids, I wanna clean up Naples, I Wanna Be The Gang-Star), but also it never came up after being introduced or was reinforced in action, then it got kind of mixed up with saving Trish and stuff, so by the end Giorgo has stopped talking about it and you've almost forgotten about it. I think there was great opportunity to reinforce the bad side of the gangster business and Giorgo's dream of cleaning up Naples right after they found Polpo's treasure and are hiding in the Naples area running errands, but the show just wasn't interested in that at all beyond brief mentions of 'btw you run drug business now. anyway-' and like, one kid one time having one syringe mark, motive established let's move on. It would have also worked if the ending had at least a teeny weeny bit of an epilogue showing rather than implying the aftermath of defeating Diavolo.
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Oct 7, 2022 11:13
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Bisse posted:- Another main villain with a time stand?? That is basically just Dio's stand with minor differences and with the Oingo Boingo stand on top? IIRC, Araki considered dominion over time to be the greatest power someone could have, which is why stands like The World and King Crimson/Emperor Crimson were given to the final bosses of their respective parts. With Ghaccio getting impaled, I imagine its a lot harder for him to freeze the air around him to stop his own momentum compared to stopping the momentum of a bullet, given that he was being pushed back by an absolute hail of gunfire that he couldn’t even see.
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Now I know where I recognized the feeling I had when watching the Rolling Stones epilogue. It felt exactly the same as watching the last two episodes of Evangelion, wondering if I rented the wrong VHS or if someone wrote it over with something else, getting more and more stunned as the playtime is running out and realizing that, nope, this is it. I think it would have been a cool thematic element if introduced earlier, but slapping it at the end just felt out of place.
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I really wanted a part 8 character but I'll definitely take Risotto https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naYEiYJvGAs
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https://twitter.com/wsj_manga/status/1578370656319594497?s=46&t=XdAXhDsb-vphsyqEcnGEpw
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Oct 7, 2022 14:45
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Gonna be really unfortunate if it's a batch again. The discussion was already dead, so now I imagine everyone will just watch until the end and will talk about nothing else.
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Oct 7, 2022 14:55
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At this rate, I'm just glad it's not coming out like next summer.
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Oct 7, 2022 15:01
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that's really good news, I was worried it'd be fall 2023
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i hope there's a new op this time as great as the current one is it was weird still having the same opening for batch 2 that only showed stuff from the first 12 episodes and it'll be even weirder now that they're leaving the jail
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Oct 7, 2022 15:36
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Praying that my theory holds up that they've been powering up and got one hell of a doozy OP ready for this last bit All the other time stands got that special OP where something major changes in the last few episodes, this one just has to
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:Praying that my theory holds up that they've been powering up and got one hell of a doozy OP ready for this last bit
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Vookatos posted:Gonna be really unfortunate if it's a batch again. The discussion was already dead, so now I imagine everyone will just watch until the end and will talk about nothing else. Yeah, that's also my concern. Also 38 episodes? Isn't it usually 39?
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Oct 7, 2022 15:59
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:Yeah, that's also my concern. The 39th episode will be a special anime-only epilogue a la Rolling Stones
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:The 39th episode will be a special anime-only epilogue a la Rolling Stones
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I’m excited to watch Pucci’s head being caved in for the holidays
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I really want the OP2 theme to be a Sono Chi No Sadame variation, ideally performed by Shoko Nakagawa
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Augus posted:i hope there's a new op this time Part 5 anime didn't get a new op until episode 25 when the story made its major shift, it would be normal for them to wait until now to change the op zetamind2000 fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Oct 7, 2022 |
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zetamind2000 posted:Part 5 anime didn't get a new op until episode 25 when the story made its major shift, it would be normal for them to wait until now to change the op
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hatty posted:I’m excited to watch Pucci’s head being caved in for the holidays All I want for Christmas is new timeline Foo Fighters
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No Dignity posted:I really want the OP2 theme to be a Sono Chi No Sadame variation, ideally performed by Shoko Nakagawa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z77vmcOyVIQ
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