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Hashy posted:Those people should become photographers and create work of actual value You mean NFT's???
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It's really weird that someone made a thread in CSPAM and has now gotten spend money mad about people having opinions in that thread.
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Oct 6, 2022 22:18
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Hashy posted:Those people should become photographers and create work of actual value exactly, at least selfies and cat pictures capture the noble essence of the human soul in the face of *gestures vaguely* all this
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Oct 6, 2022 22:21
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There's one thing that needs to be addressed by a lot of the art gatekeepers: for many of us AI artists the act of viewing art can often come uncomfortably close to human interaction. Traditional art is full of choices a human made that might communicate something so viewing a painting can often be as unpleasant as answering a phone or going to the door to get doordash. Just consider those who you might be excluding, that's all I ask
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Oct 6, 2022 22:24
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If you deny that a beautiful robot mind vomiting up fever dream scribbles can be art then I'd love to hear your opinion on whether or not ethnic minorities can truly create art
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Oct 6, 2022 23:00
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Trabisnikof posted:the noble essence of the human soul as if a horny weirdo typing "titties, girl nips, milkers, milky, booba, fat slappers, Abby Shapiro" into a prompt doesn't capture exactly the same thing
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barge posted:There's one thing that needs to be addressed by a lot of the art gatekeepers: for many of us AI artists the act of viewing art can often come uncomfortably close to human interaction. Traditional art is full of choices a human made that might communicate something so viewing a painting can often be as unpleasant as answering a phone or going to the door to get doordash. Woah, no painting that I can look at is as bad as answering the phone. C'mon. Also I ain't following this thread but I somehow made this thing with stable diffusion. I am poo poo with Photochop but am often capable of typing words into a prompt. What's not to love about a new tool that creates an unknowable knot of future social changes but also gives idiots like me the ability to make things they wouldn't have otherwise made?
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turn off the TV posted:honestly the more i use stable diffusion the less limitations it feels like it has, but i'm also using it to edit photographs. the img2img function gets rid of jpeg artifacts incredibly well and it can be used to create super high quality upscales of even the most janky of images. This is a good use of ai. The biggest quality sticklers I know don’t like the mushy artifacting it currently makes, but for something like scaling your 200dpi poster up to 300dpi, it works great. Communist Thoughts posted:A lot of the art I've made with midjourney kicks rear end and even as someone halfway decent at it I'm glad that people who can't draw or paint can now produce nice art. It’s less common than you’d think. Generally you learn how to compose while you learn to draw the circle. When we’re kids, we learn that pictures should logically make sense, which has us draw static, symmetrical, centered compositions that are ineffective in art. Think people standing in the center of the frame facing directly towards the viewer. You learn how to stop doing that at the same time as you learn how anatomy and linework work. Photographers need a while to get good at composition too.
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I guess all AI art stuff is just the ultimate ideas-guy fantasy now that I think on it
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i saw some pages of a graphic novel that the ideas guy author used midjourney to create, and i can confirm that composition is something that both humans and ai struggle with
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Oct 7, 2022 01:55
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prompt: "tv show about vaginas and hallways starring a woman"
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Leroy Diplowski posted:Woah, no painting that I can look at is as bad as answering the phone. C'mon. now this is art.
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Oct 7, 2022 02:39
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https://twitter.com/ArcadiaSofka/status/1577498654566363137 People need to learn what words mean or just not use them. Yes my monitor is on.
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Oct 7, 2022 03:22
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Lostconfused posted:https://twitter.com/ArcadiaSofka/status/1577498654566363137 There is so much magical thinking around what these algorithms can actually do, it's wild.
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I think synths vs instruments is the best comparison. Yes, synths made it possible for a vast array of incredibly terrible music to be made by people with little to no talent who would otherwise not have done so because instrument playing and singing is hard, but they didn't somehow damage the world of conventional instruments or make guitars or whatever obsolete/unwanted. There is also a huge amount of actually-good music that uses synths in part or fully and in hindsight the whole argument seems moronic. Much like this thread and my posting Oh and I'll add: whining about them using existing art as a database is very similar to whining about sampling
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Lostconfused posted:https://twitter.com/ArcadiaSofka/status/1577498654566363137 I think this person misunderstands the excitement behind this technology. They remind me of those artists who assumed NFTs would be used in good faith to protect digital artwork. Just because the tech has a hypothetical use case does not mean it’ll get used that way. Artists will be on the sidelines and people won’t care.
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Slavvy posted:I think synths vs instruments is the best comparison. Visual art already has analogies to sampling and synths: tracing, collage, stamp tools, clip art, found art, photoshop brushes - there are loads of ways to streamline and remix visual art and people have been doing it for ages. This is way different than hitting print and having a finished piece pop up on your screen, all those things (and synths/drum machines) are tools to make things, not finished products. Artists aren't "whining" that this is gonna make art go away (haven't seen it a single time) they're depressed because they know exactly how this is going to be used against them and flood the world with ugly stuff: The slimeballs at WotC will start trying out how many AI art pieces they can slip onto cards, newspapers will start cutting editorial illustrations etc. These are a couple fewer illustration jobs in a pretty tricky industry and I'm gonna feel bad if any working artists loses out on work just because it saves a few bucks. Worse art, a few less jobs, it's just a bad deal all around unless you get excited about cutting already pretty minor costs. I keep seeing examples like "oh photography didn't kill painting" you have got to crack a book open and check out out art before and after photography, or before and after color printing. Loads of jobs vanished entirely, illustration became almost a lost art, we gained something but you can't pretend it didn't replace something else. This time we're not getting something cool and new like photos, just a way to make more of what we already have but worse. You can't do much about these changes I know that but I can still be sad about it when it is as pointless as this and hate the vile tech guys of the world. I have a feeling they'll spend the next few decades lurching between innovations like NFTs or Ai Art or mars missions or the next dumb thing, trying to wring something meaningful out of them but I'm gonna guess they won't find it by watching their computer spit out remixed pixels
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Oct 7, 2022 05:28
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Seems like your problem is capitalism not ai art
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Art is a social construct. And thanks to capitalism ~we live in a society~ that cannot produce art. The opinions of us or the artists doesn't matter. So enjoy ai or not, who care.
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Ai art would still suck really bad and the little poems people write alongside their prompts in the GBS thread (check it out) would still be really funny/embarrassing withgout capitalism, it just adds a little sad element to it for me since I love to draw
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You seem to be confused about your own feelings because you've repeatedly identified the bad aspect as being people losing their ability to make a living, techbros etc but you frame it in a really condescending way that elicits very little sympathy
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large oblate cat posted:Art is a social construct. And thanks to capitalism ~we live in a society~ that cannot produce art. The opinions of us or the artists doesn't matter. So enjoy ai or not, who care. hmm, so modern art is not art. but others are the fascists, i am sure
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I don't want your sympathy slavvy lol  You're trying to write about how this isn't actually bad for art and I told you how you're wrong and it'll be bad for art. Well that's capitalism!! Ok
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https://twitter.com/jmontyxd/status/1578071801887965196
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It's funny how people are using this to make NFTs, because the existence of it just makes NFTs even more blatantly dog-brained when you can whip up ten thousand of your own apes with just the few clicks of a button. I'm sure it makes people who have the ability to draw stuff themselves sad, but it makes a whole bunch of people who can't draw for poo poo, me included, happy, so swings and roundabouts.
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NFTs never had an actual use case, so they're no more or less dumb now They have always existed in a state of maximum possible stupidity
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Pink Mist posted:When we’re kids, we learn that pictures should logically make sense, which has us draw static, symmetrical, centered compositions that are ineffective in art. Think people standing in the center of the frame facing directly towards the viewer.
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new act of defilement dropped https://twitter.com/AlexNelsini/status/1578336362733789185
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Maya Fey posted:new act of defilement dropped No but you see, the result could hypothetically be used in a photoshop or collage, so this is definitely a tool for artists and not a way to remove them from the process entirely
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Aw that's a nice tribute It's funny to see this neat tool drive people absolutely insane like a dog barking at a car while the rest of us generate cool apples with our friends
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lol yeah that sucks poo poo future's gonna be wild (as in like 6 months from now)
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The thing everyone got mad at the star wars movies for doing, using the recently dead as grotesque puppets, is now democratized baby
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barge posted:Artists aren't "whining" this entire post is whining OP
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Your Brain on Hugs posted:It's funny how people are using this to make NFTs, because the existence of it just makes NFTs even more blatantly dog-brained when you can whip up ten thousand of your own apes with just the few clicks of a button. they're sad because they're insecure dorks. AI art doesn't take anything away from their talent the same way autotune didn’t take anything away from Aretha Franklin or Elton John
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indigi posted:as if a horny weirdo typing "titties, girl nips, milkers, milky, booba, fat slappers, Abby Shapiro" into a prompt doesn't capture exactly the same thing The prompt is where the true art lies. The AI generated image is just the bait in the cartoon box propped up by a stick, ready to capture the human soul.
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forums post, snarky, funny, smart, puns, wordplay, upvoted on reddit, 100k twitter likes
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this human soul, this spark of inspiration you claim the #waifudiffusions lack, can you show me one? How much does it weigh? Of which atoms is it composed? Surely you know. Surely you aren't just desperately flailing towards mysticism to hide your fear of #waifudiffusion
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theres always gonna be technological changes that make certain human activities obsolete or less valuable but its a lot harder to get into other types of automation, its harder to buy your own power loom or self-service checkout at least with this one mostly anyone can enjoy making big booba pictures, it just sucks for all the patreon artists making disney elf/steven universe drawings with big booba, they're going the way of the cobblers
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