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https://twitter.com/a_magazova/status/1578333084855853056?s=20&t=Y_O2bjjEUuaFM4dXy5VoFw By otherising "the west" what does that make Ukraine? Part of "the East" along with Russia? A "borderland" between east and west? Such supposed anti-imperial takes end up replicating imperial mindsets. Perhaps, there is another reason activists from all three countries were chosen? and I'm sorry, Westerns aren't thinking about Ukrainians as "little russians," they don't know enough about history, nor exist within the Russian conception of history, to have a take like that. FishBulbia fucked around with this message at 02:31 on Oct 8, 2022 |
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Eh, I think before the war the average American probably thought of Ukrainians as generally, vaguely Russians.
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mutata posted:Eh, I think before the war the average American probably thought of Ukrainians as generally, vaguely Russians. Pretty sure they also thought this about Slovakians and even Romanians for that matter, yet I don't think that is because they were getting their history from 19th century panslavists cultural evidence 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mYqY5YELd0 FishBulbia fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Oct 8, 2022 |
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https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1578551705817399296 I don't think this is going to make Putin like Kadyrov much when he finds out he a lying sack of poo poo
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Sometimes birthday gifts come late https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1578594585512579072 Can't tell if they actually did any critical damage to the super structure, but its absolutely a huge signal Looks like a train had a smoking accident https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1578594370265444354 FishBulbia fucked around with this message at 04:58 on Oct 8, 2022 |
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I knew they wouldn't forget his special day 
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I'm betting it isn't critical damage, we've seen how hard it is to critically damage much smaller bridges. But yeah that is a historic signal. This is like Doolittle-raid, it's only a small wrench in the war machine, but it shows that bigger wrenches can and will be thrown at the most critical areas. Whoever pulled this off is going down in history. They might not be the ones who take out the bridge, but they started the process. And way earlier than anyone expected.
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Another dawn is breaking in Kyiv, and it's still Ukrainian.   
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Stop falling for obvious propaganda, it’s just an Armata crossing the bridge.
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Tree Bucket posted:Stop falling for obvious propaganda, it’s just an Armata crossing the bridge. In Russia, bridge burns you.
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Orthanc6 posted:I'm betting it isn't critical damage, we've seen how hard it is to critically damage much smaller bridges. Looks like a section has fallen down 
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FishBulbia posted:Looks like a section has fallen down poo poo, I thought it was just a train catching fire but maybe there was a bigger explosion that lit up the train.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:yeah I ltierally do not believe my eyes right now O__O What the hell did they hit it with? Also yeah, that's the road AND the railroad, making it not a bridge for the moment What do the kids say these days? POG? Do they still do that?
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What material would be needed to burn through that bridge? Could there be thermite being used or some special purpose high temperature explosive?
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Orthanc6 posted:O__O maybe special forces seeing as they managed to actually hit it right to cause it to collapse?
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Marshal Prolapse posted:What material would be needed to burn through that bridge? Could there be thermite being used or some special purpose high temperature explosive? it appears that something made one/several of the supports stop supporting the bridge
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They also did it literally at dawn, really a message. Kerch wakes up to it burning.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:it appears that something made one/several of the supports stop supporting the bridge What type of explosive would do the job I thought that bridge were supposed be like the one non-graft incompetent thing built by Russia in the last few years.
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Marshal Prolapse posted:What type of explosive would do the job I thought that bridge were supposed be like the one non-graft incompetent thing built by Russia in the last few years. It was still graft, just upwards for the cost of the project. And the opening of it was a bit of a poo poo show. Also, one hell of a photo to wake up to 
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FishBulbia posted:maybe special forces seeing as they managed to actually hit it right to cause it to collapse? I feel you'd need a lot more then some C4 or shoulder fired rockets to gently caress up a bridge that much. It isn't even at the suspension bit.
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Orthanc6 posted:O__O One of these things maybe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hrim-2
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Wouldn't be shocked if this is what leads Putin to declare an end of the SMO and beginning of the war, that bridge WAS krimnashism
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Now would seem to be a pretty good time to launch an attack south from Zaporizhzhia to cut off Crimea/Kherson resupply completely.
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Marshal Prolapse posted:What type of explosive would do the job I thought that bridge were supposed be like the one non-graft incompetent thing built by Russia in the last few years. idk you'd have to ask someone involved in extremely large scale demolition or, like, an sf demolition tech
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If those are all tankers full of fuel, it's going to be burning a hell of a long time, and that concrete is going to start breaking down and collapsing.
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Hooooly sugar Idk why this feels like throwing down the loving gauntlet bit goddamn
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Deteriorata posted:If those are all tankers full of fuel, it's going to be burning a hell of a long time, and that concrete is going to start breaking down and collapsing. The road is hosed up anyway. Thats a huge section down and another damaged. No more traffic for a while
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FishBulbia posted:The road is hosed up anyway. Thats a huge section down and another damaged. No more traffic for a while It looks like there are two separate driving lanes, and one may still be up. Haven't seen a clear picture of both down yet. Regardless, most of the fuel/food/water/supplies for Crimea are moved by the rail bridge. If it's out for an extended period, they're going to have problems.
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Orthanc6 posted:O__O drat, those crazy lights over Belgorod finally make sense! 
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Deteriorata posted:It looks like there are two separate driving lanes, and one may still be up. Haven't seen a clear picture of both down yet. Most of the war materiel for the southern fronts is coming via that rail bridge. Having to load it onto trucks (without pallets) to get it across the strait and then back onto trains for the rest of the trip is going to be a pain in the arse for them and make an already poor situation worse.
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I think they got the roads and rails. https://twitter.com/andrewperpetua/status/1578606690664341505?s=46&t=ry9XkTJwx4TOcbM5sDGTlA
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Deteriorata posted:It looks like there are two separate driving lanes, and one may still be up. Haven't seen a clear picture of both down yet. The 2nd road lane looks more intact, but you can see an entire segment has buckled for it as well. Also we can see the structure of the rail bridge already sagging on the sides, so that could totally go if several train tanks of fuel keep burning on it. Not even a page later in this story and it's gone from a signal to what very well could be a hard knockout for Crimea.
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FishBulbia posted:They also did it literally at dawn, really a message. Kerch wakes up to it burning. That bridge is the sole route of supplies for the southern front. It's a hell of a lot more than a message
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Marshal Prolapse posted:I think they got the roads and rails. This is actually completely insane. Some sort of special ops sabotage??? This doesn't look like a missile strike.
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Vox Nihili posted:This is actually completely insane. Some sort of special ops sabotage??? This doesn't look like a missile strike. I would think so, but man what mobile explosives could do that?
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