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Although I've been reading WH40k books for years I'm still so far behind that I don't know what primaris space marines are. Don't tell me, I'll get to them some day.
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That’s just the fan name for the recent space marine tabletop releases with corrected scale, they’re not really important.
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Oct 7, 2022 21:31
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Sextro posted:That’s just the fan name for the recent space marine tabletop releases with corrected scale, they’re not really important. Other than how the Imperium literally revive Chapters that have been destroyed or on the verge with Primaris Marines.
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Oct 7, 2022 22:07
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AndyElusive posted:Other than how the Imperium literally revive Chapters that have been destroyed or on the verge with Primaris Marines. I hope they do Lamenters and it happens AGAIN.
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Oct 7, 2022 22:13
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Dick Trauma posted:Although I've been reading WH40k books for years I'm still so far behind that I don't know what primaris space marines are. Don't tell me, I'll get to them some day. Marines that wear taller shoes
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Oct 7, 2022 22:14
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OPAONI posted:I hope they do Lamenters and it happens AGAIN. Lamenters don't get to not be cursed. It's the rules.
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Oct 7, 2022 22:28
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what if they're just mildly cursed, are they Grumblers or Gruntled or what.
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Oct 7, 2022 22:36
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Remember the bullies and jocks that stuffed your favorite space marine protagonists in the locker back in school? Now they're space marines too.
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Oct 7, 2022 22:51
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wiegieman posted:Lamenters don't get to not be cursed. It's the rules. Make it a framing story where a presentation is given to Gulliman about the loss of a whole chapter. The last surviving OG lamenter can be dragged out of whatever Deathwatch Closet he's been hiding in and given a whole chapter of Primaris dudes. His reasonable paranoia causes the loss of the chapter. Guilliman gets a headache.
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Oct 8, 2022 00:00
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OPAONI posted:Make it a framing story where a presentation is given to Gulliman about the loss of a whole chapter. The last surviving OG lamenter can be dragged out of whatever Deathwatch Closet he's been hiding in and given a whole chapter of Primaris dudes. His reasonable paranoia causes the loss of the chapter. Guilliman gets a headache. Nah, whole novelette is about the big ol thing Primaris marines struggle with which is figuring out what their chapter is all about and fitting in. The last OG Lamenter sacrifices themselves with a bang at the end shouting the chapter war cry to save all the Prmaris and it finally clicks for them.
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Oct 8, 2022 02:02
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Telsa Cola posted:Nah, whole novelette is about the big ol thing Primaris marines struggle with which is figuring out what their chapter is all about and fitting in. The last OG Lamenter sacrifices themselves with a bang at the end shouting the chapter war cry to save all the Prmaris and it finally clicks for them. Later they all die in an unrelated Hrud accident
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Oct 8, 2022 02:48
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Golden Demon winners. There are some truly ridiculous skills being shown off here: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/10/04/heres-every-incredible-golden-demon-winner-at-warhammer-world/
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Oct 8, 2022 04:08
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If you don't make it a collection of short stories. Each of which ends with the Lamenters being comically wiped out, and having to be refounded again, then what are you even doing?
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Oct 8, 2022 08:47
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OG Scythes of the Emperor wiped themselves out so that the Primaris could refound the chapter. They were corrupted by genestealers.
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Oct 8, 2022 09:32
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OPAONI posted:I hope they do Lamenters and it happens AGAIN.
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Oct 8, 2022 18:11
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Deptfordx posted:If you don't make it a collection of short stories. Each of which ends with the Lamenters being comically wiped out, and having to be refounded again, then what are you even doing? That was my general idea.
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Oct 8, 2022 18:41
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Not really book related yet but the new Cadian shock trooper models are pure sex.
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Oct 8, 2022 22:10
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Z the IVth posted:OG Scythes of the Emperor wiped themselves out so that the Primaris could refound the chapter. They were corrupted by genestealers. In this vein, I think the Soul Drinkers were re-founded by Guilliman.
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Oct 9, 2022 02:05
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Arc Hammer posted:Not really book related yet but the new Cadian shock trooper models are pure sex. I can't believe you're ignoring the full reveal of the new Kasrkin as the best glow up ever. 
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Oct 9, 2022 14:39
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Cooked Auto posted:I can't believe you're ignoring the full reveal of the new Kasrkin as the best glow up ever. Kasrkin always looked cool so their new models are like jumping from a 9 to a 10. The regular shock troops are going from like a 7 to 11.
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Oct 9, 2022 17:03
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I'm listening to Guy Haley's Dark Imperium and it's so deeply frustrating. Every time Haley mentions that the Imperium sucks, he reflexively adds "unlike Ultramar, where they have hospitals!" and the joke seems to be that Ultramar also sucks? But I can't tell if Haley's joking or if he sincerely thinks Roberto G's going to unfuck the Imperium through reason and logic.
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Oct 9, 2022 17:54
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Siivola posted:I'm listening to Guy Haley's Dark Imperium and it's so deeply frustrating. Every time Haley mentions that the Imperium sucks, he reflexively adds "unlike Ultramar, where they have hospitals!" and the joke seems to be that Ultramar also sucks? But I can't tell if Haley's joking or if he sincerely thinks Roberto G's going to unfuck the Imperium through reason and logic. It’s hope, and hope can be both a good thing and a dangerous thing. Also I think in general when not being invaded Ultramar is actually a decent place to live. Some Inquisitor even mentioned that it’s like the only place they ever traveled to where the minds of people they’d read when encountered weren’t terrified of them.
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Oct 9, 2022 17:57
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Arc Hammer posted:Kasrkin always looked cool so their new models are like jumping from a 9 to a 10. The regular shock troops are going from like a 7 to 11. Good, or else there would've been trouble. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/10/09/sunday-preview-kill-team-expands-middle-earth-heroes-return-and-new-hobby-tools/ Next weekend sees a slew of books going up for pre-order. Including the War of the Fang reprint, Marc Collins' Rogue Trader book (Void King), AoS Horror novel Briardark, and paperback version of The Twice Dead King: Reign.
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Oct 9, 2022 18:06
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it is kinda weird that they have the fuckup loser space marine chapter (lamenters) and no fuckup loser imperial guard regiments, despite the fact that they're just some dudes and not geneforged supersoldiers
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Oct 9, 2022 22:07
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i guess the last chancers are vaguely close, but they win too much
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Oct 9, 2022 22:09
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bob dobbs is dead posted:it is kinda weird that they have the fuckup loser space marine chapter (lamenters) and no fuckup loser imperial guard regiments, despite the fact that they're just some dudes and not geneforged supersoldiers The fuckup units are penal battalions. Also I don’t think fuckup units last too long in the IG.
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Oct 9, 2022 22:09
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bob dobbs is dead posted:it is kinda weird that they have the fuckup loser space marine chapter (lamenters) and no fuckup loser imperial guard regiments, despite the fact that they're just some dudes and not geneforged supersoldiers I think there's lot of them, just they all die. Space Marines are expensive, so that poo poo gets replaced.
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Oct 9, 2022 22:33
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i mean actual concrete ones in the books and models
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Oct 9, 2022 22:39
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bob dobbs is dead posted:it is kinda weird that they have the fuckup loser space marine chapter (lamenters) and no fuckup loser imperial guard regiments, despite the fact that they're just some dudes and not geneforged supersoldiers The Lamenters are super fuckups because they're magic geneforged boys, not in spite of it. They were part of an experiment to remove the Blood Angels' curse of the Black Rage. Which sort of worked! They just got a new one instead.
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Oct 9, 2022 23:11
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A lot of screwups happen when the Imperium tries to mess with Astartes because they don't really understand how much of it is purely physical and how much is Warp poo poo related to their Primarchs.
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Oct 10, 2022 03:05
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bob dobbs is dead posted:it is kinda weird that they have the fuckup loser space marine chapter (lamenters) and no fuckup loser imperial guard regiments, despite the fact that they're just some dudes and not geneforged supersoldiers Wasn't there a famously unlucky clone regiment or something? super awesome fighters until they had weird accidents or the like. i vaguely remember this.
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Oct 10, 2022 05:11
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Nuclear War posted:Wasn't there a famously unlucky clone regiment or something? super awesome fighters until they had weird accidents or the like. i vaguely remember this. poo poo i remember it too, let me look it up
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Oct 10, 2022 05:28
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Nuclear War posted:Wasn't there a famously unlucky clone regiment or something? super awesome fighters until they had weird accidents or the like. i vaguely remember this. Maybe your thinking of the Afriel Strain? From the Lexicanum: quote:The Afriel Strain was a shadowy experimental process which used genetic material from a number of the Imperium's greatest heroes to, in effect, make clones of them. The legendary Macharius was among the individuals replicated in this manner. This created warriors who were mentally superior to any regular Guardsman, albeit prone to disaster.
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Oct 10, 2022 05:28
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afriel strain https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Afriel_Strain efb
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Oct 10, 2022 05:30
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Marshal Prolapse posted:It’s hope, and hope can be both a good thing and a dangerous thing. Compared to that, Haley's btreatment of RG is, I don't know, kind of disappointing? Positioned between the superstition and insanity of the old Imperial institution and the existential threat of Chaos, he ends up framed as exactly the kind of good guy GW insists doesn't exist in the setting. This guy's a technocratic despot who likes huge concrete parade grounds and giving speeches, and it's really annoying how Haley has chosen only the most breathlessly adoring viewpoints.
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Oct 10, 2022 07:42
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bob dobbs is dead posted:it is kinda weird that they have the fuckup loser space marine chapter (lamenters) and no fuckup loser imperial guard regiments, despite the fact that they're just some dudes and not geneforged supersoldiers
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Oct 10, 2022 12:15
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Sephyr posted:I remember there also being a short story about Kharn interrogating a loyalist Thousand Son who basically goes "Oh, the Nails? Dude, super easy to remove with psykerism, we can do that in a week!" but of course Kharn gets angry and kills him and ohnoes tragic! "Yah, I know the frikkin' Emperor himself took your primarch back to Terra, laid him out cold on a table and applied the greatest scientific and magic minds alongside his own rather specialised skillset to see if they could fix the damage and decided it was impossible, but I'm pretty sure I know what he should have done..." <then Crawl turns out to have already found a fix because the Emperor himself asked him to have a look when he got 5 minutes spare 10,000 years ago>
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Siivola posted:Compared to that, Haley's btreatment of RG is, I don't know, kind of disappointing? Positioned between the superstition and insanity of the old Imperial institution and the existential threat of Chaos, he ends up framed as exactly the kind of good guy GW insists doesn't exist in the setting. This guy's a technocratic despot who likes huge concrete parade grounds and giving speeches, and it's really annoying how Haley has chosen only the most breathlessly adoring viewpoints. Thing with RG is that he's earnest, he sees himself as an enlightened statesman but he also believes that hard men must do hard things for the greater good. He's bad, but he's not awful. He's a much closer flavour of bad to modern people than most of the other caricatures. He likes those parade grounds and the speeches because of the impact they have on the people, not just to pump up his ego. He believes in education and healthcare for the masses, so that he has a flexible pool of professionals to draw from and an ever expanding population, as well as to attract more professionals to Ultramar/Imperium Secundus. Haley's failure, which is where Abnett really succeeds with RG, is in not dousing his portrayal of him in a deep depression at everything falling apart. He instead comes across as just a busybody protagonist.
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:Thing with RG is that he's earnest, he sees himself as an enlightened statesman but he also believes that hard men must do hard things for the greater good. He's bad, but he's not awful. He's a much closer flavour of bad to modern people than most of the other caricatures. He likes those parade grounds and the speeches because of the impact they have on the people, not just to pump up his ego. He believes in education and healthcare for the masses, so that he has a flexible pool of professionals to draw from and an ever expanding population, as well as to attract more professionals to Ultramar/Imperium Secundus. Haley's failure, which is where Abnett really succeeds with RG, is in not dousing his portrayal of him in a deep depression at everything falling apart. He instead comes across as just a busybody protagonist. Honestly, that’s why I like RG a beacon of light in a time of near eternal darkness. I mean I’ve said it before, but, excluding Invasions Ultramar seems like a decent place to live. Yes, it’s a dictatorship (or military junta perhaps), but regardless of Station you can advance and that knowledge and skill is valued far more then blood. I will say I agree that I think it’s important to show how depressed he is about everything going on, but not quite hopeless, if only because we know for a fact the guy is a logistical genius and tactically extremely competent. I mean a lot of his reforms could one day ensure that a 10 second delay on a ship landing on Terra doesn’t cause 5 million people to starve. Keep in mind I also like to darkbright the Imperium, not because of a love of not cool things, but because of the lost hope and potential, and because of RG, who is not psychotic. Also it is nice to see Terra led by someone who isn’t a potential descendent of a Russian general…and cherubs creep him out. He’s like the last link to a potential age of reason and science and this time his dad can’t goof poo poo up as much.
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Marshal Prolapse posted:…and cherubs creep him out. I've not read much of the RG returned stuff, but someone else in the thread mentioned him being creeped out by servitors. Which I found odd as they were in the 30k era and a fundamental part of imperial structure, right? But cherubs makes a bit more sense. What's this from, anyway? Is there a passage that can be posted up?
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