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Genghis Cohen posted:I take an equally dim view of that book. You forget the part where they're also massively brainwashed, and one time the conditioning broke in some random schola and they all rebelled. That was put down (brutally of course) and the rebels were then used as mortar to either reconstruct the schola or a wall for it. My first reaction when I first heard about that was "That is loving stupid" and then reading about the rest like the resolve test did not help improve my opinion. Didn't help that the only other Scion I saw in a book was in like Nik Kyme's Bloodblue story in the second Sabbat Crusade anthology. And their inclusion in The Warmaster felt forced and they barely attributed to anything. Calax posted:So, a bit ago I read Honorbound by Rachael Harrison (A Commissar novel). And it plays everything entirely straight. She goes to the Schola and her sister gripes at her because she got into an unsanctioned fight. Legit had trouble getting into the story because the main character didn't feel like a human. There was never any hijinks, just DUTY. I had similar issues with when I read it a while back. Rayne is just really bland as a character and some of the side characters are far more interesting. Zane in particular as I recall looking up my old tweets from when I read it. Not to mention it does the usual sin of "Here is a guard unit, and now they're dead because we want to show that poo poo just got real." Not to mention the combat writing wasn't the most thrilling and felt very mechanical at places. And then it just ends with a hook for a sequel that's never gonna happen anyway. The book was solid but nothing as outstanding as the promos back then made me believe.
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D-Pad posted:My source came through again and I got Void King early, almost finished and it is very good. Marc Collins is a great new author and the rogue trader stuff is very interesting. There are actually 4 different rogue trader dynasties involved and they are all part of a compact with one of the dynasty's head the king over all 4 houses. It's an interesting political setup and one I hadn't heard before with rogue traders. Keep me posted on how many space battles there are.
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Warden posted:He does off-handedly mention that Schola Progenium uses convicted serious criminals for target practice, but doesn't dwell on it and apparently considers it business as usual. In the same book where he chuckles at Sororitas trainees using their power armor for the first time to attempt to impress the commissar trainees they fancy.  Siivola posted:I actually liked the brainwashing element when it was mentioned in Carrion Throne. As a thing for Inquisitorial troopers it makes sense to me. His boss made a mistake thinking his skills at "shoot thing, not die" meant he'd be any good sifting through logistics records though
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I can't remember which Abnett book has his notes on the subject but I always appreciated his quote "In the grim darkness of the 41st millennium there is more than war. There are people there, too." You need empathy in order to treat the setting as anything more than a farce or an edgelord exercise. People still need to live and do their 9 to 5s every day even when they're living in the future hell world.
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FPyat posted:Keep me posted on how many space battles there are. A ton. I would say the bigger part of the book takes place on ship/in space and a majority of that during battles.
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Oct 20, 2022 16:34
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The new angels of death short was pretty drat good, I'm impressed with the improved character models.
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Is Richard Boylan still doing all of the mocap work by himself or does he have an actual production crew now?
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D-Pad posted:A ton. I would say the bigger part of the book takes place on ship/in space and a majority of that during battles. Hell’s bells yeah. Just bought the ebook.
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Cooked Auto posted:I had similar issues with when I read it a while back. Rayne is just really bland as a character and some of the side characters are far more interesting. Zane in particular as I recall looking up my old tweets from when I read it. I think something that gets occasionally mentioned but not really looked at is the idea that a guard regiment is the elite of each planet's population. In one of the Cain novels, they're fighting on a planet that's just forming some regiments for the Guard, and he gripes about the PDF troopers fighting stupidly to prove that they should be part of the Guard Regiment
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Is there a book where a pre Heresy chapter either turns up or is discovered and ends up fighting along side a 40k Space Marines chapter? For example a pre Heresy Emperor's Children either comes out of the warp or is discovered and end up fighting along side the Blood Angels against xenos or chaos or something.
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I seem to recall reading a book or short story in the 90s about a pre-heresy dark angel turning up for reasons and getting corrupted by one of the Fallen. At the end he ends up being interrogated/executed by the chapter. No idea of the title, but it was super bleak.
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https://archiveofourown.org/works/21251327
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Angry Lobster posted:Yes, Ferrus is portrayed as a douchebag, not sure if it was intended or it's just plain old bad writing. He is a miniature version of the Imperium as a whole: brutal, bloodthirsty, angry and ultimately self destructive. I love him
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Siivola posted:I actually liked the brainwashing element when it was mentioned in Carrion Throne. As a thing for Inquisitorial troopers it makes sense to me. i mean it sorta makes sense giving what scionis types are fighting. like most guardsman fight like random rebels or orks or maybe a cult of some sort. stormtroopers would be fighting all the worst poo poo ever constantly. i mean my favorite regiment is the krieg because of how loving tragic they are, they are all teenage kids who have been indoctrinated into a death cult and basicaly have little to no individuality. officers are made because they are the last ones standing and such and if you read the novel they get even more tragic. 40k grimdark works when it has some actual tragedy/pathos in it.
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bessantj posted:Is there a book where a pre Heresy chapter either turns up or is discovered and ends up fighting along side a 40k Space Marines chapter? I'm imagining some very-pre-heresy Emperor's Children getting lost in the warp and coming out in 40k and having to very quickly pretend that they're just a chapter with a lot of relics and lost records.
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Azubah posted:The new angels of death short was pretty drat good, I'm impressed with the improved character models. Ya, that was good poo poo. And at almost a half an hour running time, AoD: Origins is the longest single "short" GW has produced and I'm totally here for it.
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Camrath posted:I seem to recall reading a book or short story in the 90s about a pre-heresy dark angel turning up for reasons and getting corrupted by one of the Fallen. At the end he ends up being interrogated/executed by the chapter. No idea of the title, but it was super bleak. Yes, this is 40k. Always a worry when you start reading fan fiction.
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Camrath posted:I seem to recall reading a book or short story in the 90s about a pre-heresy dark angel turning up for reasons and getting corrupted by one of the Fallen. At the end he ends up being interrogated/executed by the chapter. No idea of the title, but it was super bleak. That sounds like Eye Of Terror. A dark angel gets blown out into space during a boarding action and goes into suspended animation for ten thousand years before showing up confused in the Eye. Very very discontinued book.
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Siivola posted:I actually liked the brainwashing element when it was mentioned in Carrion Throne. As a thing for Inquisitorial troopers it makes sense to me. For Inquisitorial stormtroopers that feels fitting, especially considering with all the weird poo poo they deal with. But make it the baseline for the Scions just felt contrived and par on course for their "everything is soooo grimdark guys" line of writing they had during that period. Arquinsiel posted:To be fair, using convicts is not the same as using other students. At least the convicts have already exhausted whatever supply of second changes the Schola world provides and using live targets does reinforce the mindset that they want a Commissar to have: did a bad thing? Pretty sure the Munitorum Manual makes a glib reference about figuring out the correct power setting for the lasrifle via "Live testing". Calax posted:It did have probably the only sanctioned Psyker I've seen decently written in the books I've read (IE: Not somehow psychotic or otherwise crazy). I liked Zane, she was weird like psykers should be. But not straight up weird like they're usually portrayed and at the same time kinda catty and likely to make some glib comments. Haven't heard anything about Rachel Harrison making a return to doing 40k books no. And then I follow a bunch of regular BL authors on twitter so I would've at least heard something about it. Calax posted:I think something that gets occasionally mentioned but not really looked at is the idea that a guard regiment is the elite of each planet's population. I might be wrong, but that I think is usually the norm. But then it obviously varies from planet to planet as always, and usually it's the best of the best as not all PDFs are subpar. Only when the narrative demands it, which is pretty often.
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Roller Coast Guard posted:That sounds like Eye Of Terror. A dark angel gets blown out into space during a boarding action and goes into suspended animation for ten thousand years before showing up confused in the Eye. Very very discontinued book. It's a really fun ride and I strongly recommend to anyone looking for some hams to read. It reads a bit dated but I enjoyed it.
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I'm going through Avenging Son right now and the scenes about the inner workings of the Imperial bureaucracy are exactly my thing. 40k is at its best when it's not simply insane but completely out there moon logic stuff.
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Siivola posted:I'm going through Avenging Son right now and the scenes about the inner workings of the Imperial bureaucracy are exactly my thing. 40k is at its best when it's not simply insane but completely out there moon logic stuff. It's honestly one of my favorite things ever written in 40k. That kind of stuff is soooo interesting to me and there were so many cool pieces of lore about the administratum scribe culture.
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Siivola posted:I'm going through Avenging Son right now and the scenes about the inner workings of the Imperial bureaucracy are exactly my thing. 40k is at its best when it's not simply insane but completely out there moon logic stuff. yeah, it works when its clear the system is loving busted but no one can see it because its been more then 10 thousand years of stagnation. like one of my favorites of late is the genestealer cult novel and how utterly broken and depressing both societies are and how you can almost romatizie genestealer cults and even though alot of them deep down know there fate, its ok because at least they lived free.
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100 pages into void king out 30 minutes ago and my one major comment is that they coulda taken like 20 pages of it off with tighter editing. lotta cliches-qua-cliches
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overall not a fan of this guy's longform stuff. shame, his shortform stuff was p. good
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you read 100 pages in 30 minutes?
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D-Pad posted:you read 100 pages in 30 minutes? its pulp sci-fi, come on
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like, you can see the high-quality shortform thing in the plotting, where the fake-out with the astraneous being the killers was actually really well done, it's just the low-level wordcraft is kinda bad
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bob dobbs is dead posted:like, you can see the high-quality shortform thing in the plotting, where the fake-out with the astraneous being the killers was actually really well done, it's just the low-level wordcraft is kinda bad it's pulp sci-fi come on? Along those lines the other thing I really liked though was the fakeout the other traders (cant remember spelling) were going to be slaneeshi but were really genestealers
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yeah, pulp lives and dies by plotting, but it would be nice to have good low-level wordcraft. it says here in the addendum that the original thing was 'lost to the storms of 2020', which I'm guessing is him giving up on it for that year cuz the roni and stuff. can't blame him, lol off to kasrkin i guess.
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kasrkin "Besides, you're wrong about the bolt pistol being the only valuable thing around here. Dasht i-Kevar is the most valuable world in the system by far. ... "It's true. They get aqua vitae from here." "Life water? Is that what it sound like it is?" "Yes. The most effective rejuve treatment in the sector. A bottle of the stuff costs more than a Custodian's armour. All rejuve and none of the unpleasant side effects most of the other treatments have." "But where's the water? Where's the life?" "I don't know. No one knows, save the desert tribes who trade it - or who used to trade it, before the blueis turned up." its a dune homage. there are so many dune homages
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Roller Coast Guard posted:That sounds like Eye Of Terror. A dark angel gets blown out into space during a boarding action and goes into suspended animation for ten thousand years before showing up confused in the Eye. Very very discontinued book. That’s the one! Iirc it came out before Black Library really got going as a thing- I know it was pre-Eisenhorn, and possibly pre-Gaunt’s Ghosts.
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Camrath posted:That’s the one!
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40k rips of Dune pretty hard, but that's something you can say about 3 quarters of all sci-fi. It's tremendously influential.
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wiegieman posted:40k rips of Dune pretty hard, but that's something you can say about 3 quarters of all sci-fi. It's tremendously influential. Right but he is talking about the new Kasrkin book. It's set on a desert planet that's an even bigger dune ripoff than the normal 40k stuff. A life extending substance only from that planet and more.
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