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MonsterEnvy posted:A thing to remember is that Katana man is just a nick name for the guy, the closest thing he has to a name is Samurai Sword. I've seen people talk about how the new Devil Hunter girl has the same haircut as whip, and we never saw her eyes, so that might or might not be a thing. As for hybrids in general, we know the Soviets made them, and Makima had nothing to do with Denji and Pochota making a deal, so it's not guaranteed she made all, or even some of the hybrids. She just collected them.
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RatHat posted:Well I mean they were all dead after Makima was killed so someone would’ve needed to collect and revive them for them to be alive. Don't they heal when they turn back to normal as well.
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RatHat posted:Well I mean they were all dead after Makima was killed so someone would’ve needed to collect and revive them for them to be alive. were they? in any case that's hardly a huge ask, kishibe's out there and i assume would want to revive quanxi at least. maybe the others if he thought they could be helpful in... keeping denji safe? whatever he's up to, i assume he's in charge of yoshida's "organization"
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Oct 20, 2022 20:51
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the exact bodycount from hell to the end of part 1 is actually a little hard to determine in spots. spider devil's seemingly alive, for instance, but you'd be forgiven for missing that she didn't get obliterated with everyone else during that mess.
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Oct 20, 2022 21:08
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Yeah, the hybrids are a huge question marks that will almost definitely come up again. Nothing that happened to them at the end of Part 1 seemed like something that would put them out of commission permanently, they are not controlled by Makima anymore and unlike Devils, it doesn't seem like dying/being revived erases their personality or memories. Katana Hybrid and Bomb Hybrid are extra interesting, because both of them have a personal connection to Denji the human and not Chainsaw Man, and it is plausible that they would specifically go look for him. Although for...entirely different reasons, obviously. 
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Endorph posted:the exact bodycount from hell to the end of part 1 is actually a little hard to determine in spots. spider devil's seemingly alive, for instance, but you'd be forgiven for missing that she didn't get obliterated with everyone else during that mess. She got slashed up, and seemingly died summoning Makima.
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Lt. Lizard posted:Yeah, the hybrids are a huge question marks that will almost definitely come up again. Nothing that happened to them at the end of Part 1 seemed like something that would put them out of commission permanently, they are not controlled by Makima anymore and unlike Devils, it doesn't seem like dying/being revived erases their personality or memories. Katana Hybrid and Bomb Hybrid are extra interesting, because both of them have a personal connection to Denji the human and not Chainsaw Man, and it is plausible that they would specifically go look for him. Although for...entirely different reasons, obviously. Quanxi would probably be a bit grateful for killing Makima.
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Oct 20, 2022 21:54
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MonsterEnvy posted:She got slashed up, and seemingly died summoning Makima.  this is the last panel we see her in, and given she's always had the zipper on her head and makima presumably knew she could do this, i dont think this is something that instantly kills prinz. granted, we dont see her again after this, so maybe she is dead, but i think it's pretty unclear.
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Oct 20, 2022 22:00
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 You see her chained to Makima. She's dead. A spider devil with no limbs would be.
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goblin week posted:
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poo poo the new Ace Attorney looks awesome
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goblin week posted:
If she was dead, she'd have come back to life in Hell. It's only because she's still alive that Makima can use her.
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Elephant Parade posted:Isn't this from when she's killing the Gun Fiend, at which point Aki and the Angel Devil are -- presuming she didn't kill them off-camera -- still alive? Aki is already dead at this point. The Control Devil can just use people that are already dead’s powers.
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chiasaur11 posted:If she was dead, she'd have come back to life in Hell. It's only because she's still alive that Makima can use her. Coming back does not seem to be an instant thing. Two of Quanxi’s fiends were killed and their devil selves did not pop out.
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Elephant Parade posted:Isn't this from when she's killing the Gun Fiend, at which point Aki and the Angel Devil are -- presuming she didn't kill them off-camera -- still alive? This specific panel is after Aki's name shows up in the death name list! And, to quote the actual page, 
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chiasaur11 posted:If she was dead, she'd have come back to life in Hell. It's only because she's still alive that Makima can use her. Actually, if she died in hell, she'd come back to life on Earth :P
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Hey, I know we've been talking about how Makima is not a good source for information, but I can't really recall any cases of her directly lying; can you? I'm probably mistaken here, but the bit in the latest episode where she says "there's not even a name for what you are" to Denji is such a delicious half truth that it got me thinking.
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Oct 20, 2022 22:14
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goblin week posted:This specific panel is after Aki's name shows up in the death name list! And, to quote the actual page,
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I Am Fowl posted:Hey, I know we've been talking about how Makima is not a good source for information, but I can't really recall any cases of her directly lying; can you? I'm probably mistaken here, but the bit in the latest episode where she says "there's not even a name for what you are" to Denji is such a delicious half truth that it got me thinking. I think there are a few, although even most of those have a spin available. (For example 'I wasn't hit' in regards to the train massacre. She was shot at... but the hit was transferred to some random Japanese citizen.) I mean, right towards the start, she tells Denji that she likes "Someone like this boy Denji.", which is true. She loves Chainsaw Man. Similarly, she tells Kishibe that she wants to get more attention to the special division so they can help more people, and while she smiles when he calls her a liar, it's sort of true in that more power means she can have Chainsaw Man erase all the woes of humanity. Makima has a strong sense of humor that's mostly visible in hindsight, and her tendency towards half-truths fits right in.
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i miss angel
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I'm pretty sure the last time we see the Spider Devil and Angel is in the hallway here: No Idea if they're alive, a few of the other fiends might be alive in this too.
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theres a part of makima thats, i dont wanna say innocent, but sincere. i dont think there's ever any indication that she was ever anything but a very caring and loving owner towards her (actual) dogs, for instance.
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hbag posted:i miss angel You and me both, hopefully he made it out of Hell after being reborn there (if he died I mean) and is living some place nice right now. goblin week posted:
Is THAT what being chained to Makima means? That you're dead and now she like has control over your ghost? I was honestly really confused by that part, did her dying set those souls free? Brightman posted:I'm pretty sure the last time we see the Spider Devil and Angel is in the hallway here: I thought the implication is that those are all devil corpses that are now waiting to serve Chainsaw Man in Hell now? But like I said, I found that part confusing. Really cool! But confusing.
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Brightman posted:I'm pretty sure the last time we see the Spider Devil and Angel is in the hallway here: Angel shows up again when Kobeni is dancing. But we don't know for certain that the chains mean death. If the chains are how she uses someone else's powers then she might've used the chains on Tendo and Kurose in the Katana Man arc and they were fine for awhile afterwards.
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It's confusing especially since I don't think we ever saw a few of those prior to that page.
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Brightman posted:It's confusing especially since I don't think we ever saw a few of those prior to that page. Yeah, half of The Hierarchy of Angels crew only showed up on that page. We get to meet Beam, Prinz, Power and Angel, but the other four just show up dead (?) already. Edit: Also, there's one missing. There are nine hierarchies of angels, so to complete the set there should be one named "Arch". Space Cadet Omoly fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Oct 21, 2022 |
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Brightman posted:I'm pretty sure the last time we see the Spider Devil and Angel is in the hallway here: this chapter is when fan theories started putting the pieces together regarding makima as some kind of greater being/the endgame being the devil devil, right? since those are the 9 levels of seraphic beings, minus archangel (lucifer).
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Alejandro Sanchez posted:this chapter is when fan theories started putting the pieces together regarding makima as some kind of greater being/the endgame being the devil devil, right? since those are the 9 levels of seraphic beings, minus archangel (lucifer). 8 levels minus the arch angels, which adds up to nine total. So, wait, is Makima supposed to be the missing "Arch"? Is she Lucifer in this metaphor?
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My understanding is that's what people thought when the chapter first came out, but when she brought up "Death. War. Hunger." that's when people made the connection Control = Conquest, so the Archangel Lucifer was simply not present but may show up at some point.
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Endorph posted:theres a part of makima thats, i dont wanna say innocent, but sincere. i dont think there's ever any indication that she was ever anything but a very caring and loving owner towards her (actual) dogs, for instance. It makes total sense she is perfectly pleasant to people or things which willingly accept her Control because she's already won. Even if it is just out of doggish love.
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Alejandro Sanchez posted:My understanding is that's what people thought when the chapter first came out, but when she brought up "Death. War. Hunger." that's when people made the connection Control = Conquest, so the Archangel Lucifer was simply not present but may show up at some point. Ah poo poo, it's Kobeni isn't it? Kobeni was secretly Satan this whole time.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:You and me both, hopefully he made it out of Hell after being reborn there (if he died I mean) and is living some place nice right now. I mean, based on what Power said about what she'd be like when Denji finds her, the Blood Devil wouldn't be like her, Angel probably would be rather different if they did.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Ah poo poo, it's Kobeni isn't it? Kobeni was secretly Satan this whole time. dont u even dare loving imply tjat
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Ah poo poo, it's Kobeni isn't it? Kobeni was secretly Satan this whole time. muscles like this! posted:
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oh fug lol
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Yeah, half of The Hierarchy of Angels crew only showed up on that page. We get to meet Beam, Prinz, Power and Angel, but the other four just show up dead (?) already. Galgalim is the Violence fiend.
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ImpAtom posted:It makes total sense she is perfectly pleasant to people or things which willingly accept her Control because she's already won. Even if it is just out of doggish love. Nah. That seems to be when she's cruelest. Denji breaking down and just doing whatever she says set her up to break him, and Quanxi's surrender made Makima slice the heads off her girlfriends. Meanwhile, when Angel resisted her, Makima was all smiles and compliments, and Kishibe gets a full explanation and a friendly warning to step back since Chainsaw Man is going to kill Makima, and he could be collateral damage. Makima's dogs are loud, energetic, and frequently go for treats that are meant for other dogs. Makima likes people who can be independent of her, even more than she likes people who like her.
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Evrart Claire posted:Galgalim is the Violence fiend. Oh poo poo you're right! I never noticed that before, it totally slipped my mind what he looked like outside of his bird mask. Incidently, I'm still 100% on board with the fan theory that the violence fiend possessed the body of Hirokazu Arai. They got the same hair! chiasaur11 posted:Nah. That seems to be when she's cruelest. Denji breaking down and just doing whatever she says set her up to break him, and Quanxi's surrender made Makima slice the heads off her girlfriends. I think that ties into how she secretly wants someone she can see as an equal because that's the only way she believes it's possible for her to truly love and be loved.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:I think that ties into how she secretly wants someone she can see as an equal because that's the only way she believes it's possible for her to truly love and be loved. Yep. And the bitter, comical irony was that she managed to find an equal in Denji, connected to him on a deep level... and then she aggressively ignored all that in pursuit of Pochita, who she didn't understand at all.
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