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PeterWeller posted:It's a perfectly fine comma. The problem is "making GBS threads myself" is a dangling participial phrase that does not modify the subject of the following clause: "she". Yeah, that was lazy short hand, referring to my comment on the previous sentence with a hanging participle. I'll endeavour to do better next time. I would argue that it's still a bad comma though, it's not like the sentence reads better as 'making GBS threads myself she began to frown.' E: actually, I think I focused on the comma because that's how you get high schoolers to see the problem. Hanging participles happen all the time in spoken English because there's feedback in dialogue and people are thinking as they're talking. Students still in the 'writing as they speak' phase tend to drop commas where their internal dialogue pauses and call it good. Forcing them to check where their commas are tends to force a reread and they're able to sort their sentences out eventually. So yeah, my internal heuristic is 'bad comma' for several related issues like misplaced modifiers, run ons, and general awkward construction. mewse posted:I'm not reading this, glad you enjoyed my rendition It pretty instantly encapsulated a lot of Rothfussian problems, although I dont remember him being quite as bad on a sentence construction level. If I were to rate it as it is instead of what it was pretending to be, I'd rate it A+, accurate and insightful caricature. the JJ fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Oct 20, 2022 |
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the JJ posted:I would argue that it's still a bad comma though, it's not like the sentence reads better as 'making GBS threads myself she began to frown.' This is a comma splice, and it illustrates why the comma isn't the problem with the sentence in question. 
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I still dont get the weird attempt to try and praise Rothfuss with faint damning and saying "the one who criticized him was an rear end and had bad takes" to do it. Did he announce something on reddit?
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Pacho posted:I still dont get the weird attempt to try and praise Rothfuss with faint damning and saying "the one who criticized him was an rear end and had bad takes" to do it. Did he announce something on reddit? Nah man the thread has done significantly more Rothfussian writing than he has in the last year or so.
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Pacho posted:I still dont get the weird attempt to try and praise Rothfuss with faint damning and saying "the one who criticized him was an rear end and had bad takes" to do it. Did he announce something on reddit? a guy who bumps the thread every month with just 'write the book' bumped the thread despite there being no new information and someone immediately decided to poo poo on neil gaiman for no reason, resulting in a sort of hellish chaos energy that continues to echo, like a river-smooth stone at the edge of winter's third snow and just as tall
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Patware posted:like a river-smooth stone at the edge of winter's third snow and just as tall 
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I mostly just think BOTL's posts about it were boring, Rothfuss deserves every single criticism leveled at him though.
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Neil Patrick Rothfuss is a great artist.
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Horizon Burning posted:gently caress off, patrick Lol I think botl's rothfuss criticism was fun to read but the real joy was seeing jivjov meltdown. You kind of lose something just reading botl's posts
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Patware posted:a guy who bumps the thread every month with just 'write the book' bumped the thread despite there being no new information and someone immediately decided to poo poo on neil gaiman for no reason, resulting in a sort of hellish chaos energy that continues to echo, like a river-smooth stone at the edge of winter's third snow and just as tall In my defense, he needs to write the book.
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Hughmoris posted:In my defense, he needs to write the book. No he just needs to admit he’s not.
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Ghost writing is writing, its right there in the name.
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Hughmoris posted:In my defense, he needs to write the book. what would you gain from that
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the JJ posted:You made me look up word origins for an internet argument. I can't tell if you're taking the piss or if you actually think "seasons can't have kids" has any relevance to the metaphor. Youth is fleeting. Summer days are fleeting. There is a comparison that can be made there, hence a meaningful metaphor. (and I don't mean "meaningful" as in "is good and emotional" I mean it as "actual conveys information") quote:
But he isn't talking about the slow transition to autumn. He's talking about silence being deep and broad, which autumns ending isn't. (and while I think a silence can be broad, if it's a heavy, opresssive silence, like a smothering blanket* I don't think that's what the silence he's trying to convey is). And in your example of melancholic turn to winter, the key feature is death and frost, not silence so it still doesn't fit. *Silence can be smothering. Blankets can be smothering. Therefore, I can use one as a metaphor to the other. I couldn't say it's smothering like gin, because gin is not smothering.
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*pushes glasses up the bridge of his nose* "Well ackchually, temperate comes from the Latin tempero for restrained, and as the season of summer is not a literal being with 'emotions' or 'feelings' to restrain, therefore Shakespeare's metaphor here is terrible. And what's he doing anyway, first he's all 'you're like a summer day' and then he's all 'lol nope'. What's the point of bringing up summer then? What a scrub, can't even be consistent. And describing people as warm? Only if they have loving fever! Oooooh, gottem!" *everybody claps*
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pentyne posted:closure Even if Rothfuss ever writes book 3, there is no chance it wraps up anything.
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I think the funniest outcome would be Rothfuss getting pulled off his own series, Brandon Sanderson coming in and writing an extremely workmanlike 500 pages of pure plot where Kvothe kills a king and doesn't have any sex, and Rothfuss writing an angry blog post about his masterpiece being sullied
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Why would you wish such a horror onto poor Brandon like that? Give it to John Ringo or Larry Correia or someone else in the same talent tier as Rothfuss.
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I was mostly thinking Sanderson because that dude could knock it out in like two months and hit all of the planned plot beats without breaking a sweat Also, don't give Larry Correia money
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Antivehicular posted:I think the funniest outcome would be Rothfuss getting pulled off his own series, Brandon Sanderson coming in and writing an extremely workmanlike 500 pages of pure plot where Kvothe kills a king and doesn't have any sex, and Rothfuss writing an angry blog post about his masterpiece being sullied I think the funniest outcome would actually be Rothfuss releasing a brilliant piece of literature that cleanly wraps up the trilogy. Can you imagine the smudgeness that would radiate from that body and face?
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The beatific smile as he ascends to Heaven, Cheerios boxes floating in his wake
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He learned from GRRM. Except Rothfuss can say mental illness and get a poo poo ton of bonus points, GRRMs ego won't allow him to show any weakness like that.
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Also GRRM is an old man and had a full career before he hit his writers block, Rothfuss gave up after two books
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M_Gargantua posted:Why would you wish such a horror onto poor Brandon like that? Rude to Rothfuss. No, seriously. They not only suck at writing but also are much shittier people.
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No Dignity posted:Also GRRM is an old man and had a full career before he hit his writers block, Rothfuss gave up after two books 1 really.
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The series Tigtone has a lot of Rothfussian writing in it but on purpose
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BOTL had some good riffs on The Name of the Wind, but he didn't like Book of the New Sun and was very dismissive of Gene Wolfe, so he's not exactly a pure being of energy handing out literary truths. He's just a dude with opinions. It's weird that people are hung up on him. The most Rothfussian outcome is that he writes the third book, it's legit good and manages to tie everything together while threading the impossible needle of the unreliable narrator plot, but the "fans" hate it and dedicate themselves to making YouTube videos about how Rothfuss is woke now or something and has to be stopped.
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Atlas Hugged posted:BOTL had some good riffs on The Name of the Wind, but he didn't like Book of the New Sun and was very dismissive of Gene Wolfe, so he's not exactly a pure being of energy handing out literary truths. He's just a dude with opinions. It's weird that people are hung up on him.
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I think discussion and disagreement on literary analysis are good things, but I never felt his criticisms of Wolfe were coming from a place of good faith. He repeated a couple of times that Wolfe was long and dense. That was more or less the meat of his critique. Wolfe isn't immune to criticism, but going after length and density aren't really condemnations. It's not like with Rothfuss where even the basic prose is incoherent. It was actually sort of a letdown because he just didn't really engage with the writing at all.
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No Dignity posted:Also GRRM is an old man and had a full career before he hit his writers block, Rothfuss gave up after two books Yeah I heard a podcast summarize and analyze The Sandkings and now I'm gonna keep my eyes open for old-GRRM at old-book stores.
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Here's the truth. Rothfuss was in no way using the image of a vase of slowly dying flowers to describe the atmosphere around a dying guy. If he was, he could have just said, "He was silent and still, like vase of rotting flowers." The hyphen says it all. What is a cut-flower? And what sound could it possibly make? Obviously, Rothfuss got lucky and has never admitted his opening sentences can't even generate their own meaning, but rely on reference to a visual trope common to anime.  You can practically hear the sound the katana doesn't make.
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Jimbot posted:I agree with all of this. I can maybe muster a defense for the first book because I remember it had some alright stuff in it (I won't because a lot of it is hazy), but the second book has aged super poorly. It was already bad at the time and this was before I knew what the hell an incel was and when you do it goes into super loving creepy territory. For all its many, many flaws the first book at least made some effort at the "all my legends are bullshit here's the boring truth" thing (and still hosed up a few times), whereas the sequel was outright "actually all those legends are right and in some cases the truth is even more amazing" from start to finish. Also the ending where he does a bunch of extra bullshit to basically scam the Mayor via tuition shenanigans really just added another tire to the fire of "Kvothe is a massive rear end in a top hat and not a hero" despite Rothfuss clearly trying to make him out to be cool and smart. Antivehicular posted:I think the funniest outcome would be Rothfuss getting pulled off his own series, Brandon Sanderson coming in and writing an extremely workmanlike 500 pages of pure plot where Kvothe kills a king and doesn't have any sex, and Rothfuss writing an angry blog post about his masterpiece being sullied I can't imagine Sanderson wanting anything to do with the Kingkiller poo poo show considering he has his own, better, settings he's working on (and whose tv/movie stuff will likely actually come to fruition). Give it to someone like Abercrombie as punishment for using a foreshadowing  repeatedly in the First Law books.
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I didn't really intend that joke to have much to do with Sanderson in specific; he was just the first guy I thought of as a hired-gun series-finisher who could knock out all the dangling plot threads in a tight package. Replace him with Donald Westlake or another vintage crime-paperback factory if you like. Bonus comedy option: R.L. Stine
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Antivehicular posted:I didn't really intend that joke to have much to do with Sanderson in specific; he was just the first guy I thought of as a hired-gun series-finisher who could knock out all the dangling plot threads in a tight package. Replace him with Donald Westlake or another vintage crime-paperback factory if you like. Don't do that to R.L. Stine. Evil Fluffy posted:For all its many, many flaws the first book at least made some effort at the "all my legends are bullshit here's the boring truth" thing (and still hosed up a few times), whereas the sequel was outright "actually all those legends are right and in some cases the truth is even more amazing" from start to finish. Also the ending where he does a bunch of extra bullshit to basically scam the Mayor via tuition shenanigans really just added another tire to the fire of "Kvothe is a massive rear end in a top hat and not a hero" despite Rothfuss clearly trying to make him out to be cool and smart. The dumbest one was "I burned down a town" when I'm not sure how he'd ever even be blamed for that since it was very clearly a dragon. I mean, a dracchus. I don't even really remember anyone else involved besides the little girl with the vase and the horse seller guy. Well to be fair, they're all dumb because they're treated (we're told) reverently as great heroic stories, but who is spreading these stories around and hyping them up? For all the other students there's be nothing special at all. Like, they're either poo poo no one witnessed, poo poo people witnessed but was obviously mundane at the time, or just apparently entirely made-up. We still don't even know what made him famous. Like, for all of his "you may have heard of me", his spiel never actually includes the reason why people started paying attention to him in the first place. Kchama fucked around with this message at 02:44 on Oct 27, 2022 |
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What hurts my brain is that Kvothe isn't even 30 by the time he's an innkeeper. I've been working on a broadly similar story (a traveler collecting stories meets another traveler who wants to share with him stories about the protagonist of a 300 year old tall tale; then he starts to realize she might actually be the protagonist), and it only seems to work if there's enough time and space for those legends to build up. It reads like something the kind of person who gives themself their own nickname, and it's something stupid like King Lord Wolf Sword, would write.
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Guys like Buehlman are already writing their own better Kingkiller inspired stories with Blacktongue Thief and then there are the outright plagiarizers like RR Virdi. I’m actually curious to read The first binding to find out if it’s actually as much of a rip off as I’ve heard
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Dirt Road Junglist posted:What hurts my brain is that Kvothe isn't even 30 by the time he's an innkeeper. I've been working on a broadly similar story (a traveler collecting stories meets another traveler who wants to share with him stories about the protagonist of a 300 year old tall tale; then he starts to realize she might actually be the protagonist), and it only seems to work if there's enough time and space for those legends to build up. It's funny you say that, as at certain points, Kvothe claims he had been spreading rumors about his own deeds, and people lapped it up and spread them as Super Hyper Legends Of The Coolest Dude.
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