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The pandemic was not the beginning. There are neither beginnings nor endings to covid-19. But it was a beginning
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Oct 27, 2022 13:39
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:The pandemic was not the beginning. There are neither beginnings nor endings to covid-19. But it was a beginning *Unfortunately generic fantasy music begins playing, overlaid with the sound of coughing*
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Oct 27, 2022 15:57
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Skyl3lazer posted:Did we finish this one? ONE YEAR LATER posted:The pandemic was not the beginning. There are neither beginnings nor endings to covid-19. But it was a beginning  So I just finished rereading Winter's Heart and not feeling up to facing the slog. What can I skip to and what sort of stuff will I miss?
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Oct 27, 2022 16:15
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DarkHorse posted:
Ugh, Crossroads of Twilight was just fundamentally flawed as a concept. I get why he did it. The ending of Winter's Heart was such a huge deal, spend some time showing everyone reacting to that event. But the result is that nothing too major can happen in that book, and you have to keep hitting reset on the clock to go back and show, "And here's what happened over here..." I think I even read Robert Jordan himself say that he kind of regretted structuring the book like that. Sorry, this isn't helpful. I don't have any answers for you. Luckily Knife of Dreams was good again.
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Oct 27, 2022 17:52
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I skipped Faile and any Shaido chapters on my last reread and it made the slog vanish 
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Oct 27, 2022 18:11
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Crossroads of Twilight is pretty short and has relatively lots of Mat. It's totally fine.
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Oct 27, 2022 19:48
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Hexel posted:I skipped Faile and any Shaido chapters on my last reread and it made the slog vanish
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Oct 27, 2022 20:46
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thrawn527 posted:Ugh, Crossroads of Twilight was just fundamentally flawed as a concept. I get why he did it. The ending of Winter's Heart was such a huge deal, spend some time showing everyone reacting to that event. But the result is that nothing too major can happen in that book, and you have to keep hitting reset on the clock to go back and show, "And here's what happened over here..." I think I even read Robert Jordan himself say that he kind of regretted structuring the book like that. The only reaction to the cleansing of Saidin I remember even liking was the rebel Aes Sedai, because it pushed them further towards working with the Asha'man. In fact, the only other reactions I remember were Elayne and Aviendha, the Shaido Wise Ones and the Asha'man with Perrin being shocked at the amount of the One Power being used somewhere far off...and just kind of getting on with their own poo poo. I'm not sure any other storyline used it as direct advancement the way the rebel Aes Sedai story line did. I also found it a bit weird that Logain refused to believe that Rand could have been the one responsible for it. bio347 posted:Crossroads of Twilight is pretty short and has relatively lots of Mat. It's totally fine. Isn't Crossroads of Twilight where they do most of their flirting and set up for their actual relationship? Or was that a different book?
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Oct 27, 2022 22:30
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Those books are a lot more tolerable when they're not the only thing you get for years.
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Oct 27, 2022 22:52
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Hexel posted:I skipped Faile and any Shaido chapters on my last reread and it made the slog vanish This is the key.
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Oct 27, 2022 23:45
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Thanks all, I'll try reading and if I start dragging I'll start skipping Faile/Shaido. Wish me luck!
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Oct 28, 2022 00:38
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has faile been cast yet? the easiest way to improve the show would be to just drop that character
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Oct 28, 2022 09:49
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She's, uh, pretty central to Perrin's character
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Oct 28, 2022 10:09
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There's no way they're dropping her, and they shouldn't, anyway. Cut large swathes of stuff, sure, they're doing that to everyone and every plot.
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Oct 28, 2022 12:24
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Yeah, I imagine you could probably compress Perrin's plot line around the Shaido and the Prophet pretty heavily. Honestly, you could probably cut the Prophet plot entirely, because all he does is act as a dour stone around the neck of that plot line as is. You'd need to find some other reason for Aram to turn on Perrin, but it feel kind of abrupt and pointless for him to do so as is.
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Oct 28, 2022 12:32
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Failed hasn't been cast yet or if she has perrins actor doesn't know. That came out at the recent panel they did.
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Oct 28, 2022 12:53
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ChubbyChecker posted:has faile been cast yet? the easiest way to improve the show would be to just drop that character They are currently discussing whether, when or how to handle her character in the S3 writers room according to Judkins at the NYCC panel. The question came up because somebody asked Marcus about his future love interest and he had no idea what they were talking about. The whole Laila thing will make Faile pretty weird regardless, he's been mopey and dopey about that since episode one so he'll have to have a resolution to that in S2 in order for a love interest in S3 not to be bizarre. Hexel fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Oct 28, 2022 |
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Oct 28, 2022 15:58
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DarkHorse posted:
Read it all still. Elayne, Perrin, Faile chapters you can skim over probably. The Matt chapters are good. Colonel Cool posted:Those books are a lot more tolerable when they're not the only thing you get for years. this Comrade Blyatlov posted:She's, uh, pretty central to Perrin's character You know a character sucks when their entire personality is just "I love my wife" Take away Faile and wolf powers and Perrin doesn't even exist. Hell leave the wolf powers in and he ignores them
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Oct 28, 2022 16:02
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ChubbyChecker posted:has faile been cast yet? the easiest way to improve the show would be to just drop that character Drop Perrin along with her because that actor is awful.
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Oct 28, 2022 16:04
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Hexel posted:They are currently discussing whether, when or how to handle her character in the S3 writers room according to Judkins at the NYCC panel. It's not encouraging that they didn't have a plan for a significant secondary character that appears relatively early and often throughout the rest of the books. I'd understand not have a fully mapped out idea for exactly how she should look and act, what changes would need to be made, how she'd intersect with the Perrin and the broader story etc. You'd think they'd have pinned down a vague outline at the least though, because she is central to Perrin's character. RC Cola posted:You know a character sucks when their entire personality is just "I love my wife" I mean, that second statement isn't saying much. You're essentially saying "If you take away the things that define a character, the character isn't defined". Which, yeah? If you take away Matt's gambling and past memories he basically doesn't exist at all for at least the first few books. I kind of figured after Faile was taken that Perrin would start to out-grow that mindset though, specifically because he calls attention to it during his POV chapters quite a few times, how he's so obsessed with finding Faile that he's abandoning other duties or what have you. He does eventually confront that after Faile has been rescued, and even puts saving the world above saving Faile during the Last Battle, but it really feels like he should have confronted that issue during Faile's capture. His chapters during that section of the story would probably be more interesting if he was tormented by the fact he was doing what was right above what he wanted (which is true of Rand, Matt, Egwene and even secondary characters like Elayne, Aviendha etc. a lot of the time as is), and confronting the Prophet head on instead of constantly shoving him aside so that Masema's mindset can infect the camp and ultimately result in Aram's death while Faile would probably be a lot more satisfying as a character in that entire arc if she'd freed herself and her vassals instead of nearly doing it a few times, only to have Perrin ultimately accomplish it in the end. You'd probably still need to invoke Perrin to explain the destruction of the Shaido as a force entirely, but Faile escaping back to Perrin on her own and providing information that ultimately allows him to complete an assault on the Shaido after the Prophet has been dealt with would probably resolve that. tsob fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Oct 28, 2022 |
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Oct 28, 2022 16:20
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tsob posted:It's not encouraging that they didn't have a plan for a significant secondary character that appears relatively early and often throughout the rest of the books. I'd understand not have a fully mapped out idea for exactly how she should look and act, what changes would need to be made, how she'd intersect with the Perrin and the broader story etc. You'd think they'd have pinned down a vague outline at the least though, because she is central to Perrin's character. Just because an actor who hasn't read the books doesn't know a character doesn't mean she hasn't been planned at all. Plus Rafe said her character was being discussed in the season 3 writers room at the time of the convention.
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Oct 28, 2022 17:15
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Yeah i should clarify: “whether, when or how” is entirely my language. Thats just me doubting they can do Faile well in light of the Laila travesty. Rafe just said she’s a current topic in the writers room.
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Oct 28, 2022 17:34
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Mage_Boy posted:Just because an actor who hasn't read the books doesn't know a character doesn't mean she hasn't been planned at all. I never said anything about the actor, but if the language is not actually indicative then I withdraw my complaint regardless.
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Oct 28, 2022 17:36
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tsob posted:You'd probably still need to invoke Perrin to explain the destruction of the Shaido as a force entirely, but Faile escaping back to Perrin on her own and providing information that ultimately allows him to complete an assault on the Shaido after the Prophet has been dealt with would probably resolve that. The Shaido as a major force mostly exist for Perrin Bullshit. If you want to make changes to Perrin that take him somewhere else, you could easily just say they're ended as a major power after the Asha'man break them at Dumai's Wells.
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Oct 28, 2022 21:04
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Khizan posted:The Shaido as a major force mostly exist for Perrin Bullshit. If you want to make changes to Perrin that take him somewhere else, you could easily just say they're ended as a major power after the Asha'man break them at Dumai's Wells. Yeah, Perrin could be in Arad Doman doing clean up there. He could be fighting the Seanchan, he could be fighting the Shaido with Faile by his side. He could be in the borderlands fighting trollocs. Literally any number of things.
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Oct 28, 2022 21:10
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silvergoose posted:There's no way they're dropping her, and they shouldn't, anyway. I mean, not taking place over the course over a few seasons would help. I couldn't believe how long the Faile kidnapping plot took place in the books. It was something like 3 or 4 books, wasn't it? (Which in real world time translated to literal years waiting for the books to come out.) That was my main problem with it. It felt like it was never going to loving end. Have it take place over the course of one season, maybe a little into a second, somehow and I think a lot of those problems go away. Though that would obviously take some reworking. But then yeah, as posters said above, you've got Perrin free to do other poo poo.
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Oct 28, 2022 21:12
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thrawn527 posted:I mean, not taking place over the course over a few seasons would help. I couldn't believe how long the Faile kidnapping plot took place in the books. It was something like 3 or 4 books, wasn't it? (Which in real world time translated to literal years waiting for the books to come out.) That was my main problem with it. It felt like it was never going to loving end. Perrin could be doing cool wolf dream stuff and spying on the forces of dark instead of crying about Faile for 2 months while doing nothing accept make friends with Seanchan which Matt is already doing.
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Oct 28, 2022 21:15
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I like Faile I just don’t like how long he drew out the Shaido stuff, which is probably why people don’t like Faile as much cause it took for loving eveeeeeeer. Put Padan Fain with the Shaido then have Perrin go after them, Throw in Slayer for good measure.
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Oct 28, 2022 21:16
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Invalid Validation posted:I like Faile I just don’t like how long he drew out the Shaido stuff, which is probably why people don’t like Faile as much cause it took for loving eveeeeeeer. Put Padan Fain with the Shaido then have Perrin go after them, Throw in Slayer for good measure.
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Oct 28, 2022 21:34
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thrawn527 posted:I mean, not taking place over the course over a few seasons would help. I couldn't believe how long the Faile kidnapping plot took place in the books. It was something like 3 or 4 books, wasn't it? (Which in real world time translated to literal years waiting for the books to come out.) That was my main problem with it. It felt like it was never going to loving end. quote:PoD came out in 1998, and Faile was kidnapped at the end of it. She was a prisoner through WH (2000) and CoT (2003). Rescue came in KoD (2005).
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Oct 28, 2022 21:54
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So I was right, 3 or 4 books, but basically 3. And 7 real world years. Jesus. I think that's a big part of why people liked KoD so much. It finally put an end to that poo poo.
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Oct 28, 2022 21:57
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Any Faile scene is only tolerable if Berelain and her boobs are in it 
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Oct 28, 2022 22:23
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thrawn527 posted:So I was right, 3 or 4 books, but basically 3. And 7 real world years. Jesus. I remember waiting and posting on the dragon mount forums
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Oct 28, 2022 23:03
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I fell off around Winters heart and because years pass between books you basically become a different person. I’m starting to think book series should last 5 books tops.
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Oct 29, 2022 05:48
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Hexel posted:Any Faile scene is only tolerable if Berelain and her boobs are in it Look, if the show doesn't give us a scene transition from Perrin noticing Berelain's boobs to Faile noticing Sevanna's boobs, what is even the point of this adaptation?
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Oct 29, 2022 18:29
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the only interesting thing about perrin is slayer if slayer was made into someone else's nemesis, perrin could be dropped too e: give slayer to egwene
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Oct 29, 2022 19:26
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Perrin has a bitchin time saving Edmonds Field and his role in saving Rand from the box, that’s enough for me.
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Oct 30, 2022 14:57
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Right from the first book I like him. His interactions with egwene and elyas are really funny.
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Battle for Emonds Field was decent. Most of Perrin's other plots are forgettable. The Slayer poo poo does nothing for me. I like his buddy cop adventures with Gaul and that's about it
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